Original Posted By:>> Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>Sport Aviation Association>>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join andget>back to the real roots of aviation.>>http://www.sportaviation.org/>>Gordon>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Howard Wilkinson >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>> Gordon:>> What's SAA??>>>> -----Original Message-----
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & GoldaI hope he/she writes for the New SAAGordonSAA #952 ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & GoldaI hope he/she writes for the New SAAGordonSAA #952 ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
I know this is off the subject, but as some might haveread, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editingSport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at theend of this month. They will be moving back to theCarolina's where they are from.What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is intoPietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guyis a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to thepoint person with a good balance in life. There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on AllenRudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Pietand mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcomingmonths. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evidentin the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$ planeswas the feeling I got.)When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jackcame up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffeeand talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time, continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writerstepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told himright away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt, no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoeslike the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by thePiet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, thenwas off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they willbe easily replaced.Mike C. I know this is off the subject, but as some might haveread, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editingSport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at theend of this month. They will be moving back to theCarolina's where they are from.What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is intoPietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guyis a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to thepoint person with a good balance in life. There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on AllenRudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Pietand mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcomingmonths. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evidentin the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$planeswas the feeling I got.)When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jackcame up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffeeand talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time, continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Anotherwriterstepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told himright away...hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....there are some super ones over there. What a neatguy.You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt, no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoeslike the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by thePiet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, thenwas off- on foot. What a neat couple. Idoubt they willbe easily replaced.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
I know this is off the subject, but as some might haveread, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editingSport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at theend of this month. They will be moving back to theCarolina's where they are from.What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is intoPietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guyis a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to thepoint person with a good balance in life. There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on AllenRudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Pietand mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcomingmonths. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evidentin the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$ planeswas the feeling I got.)When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jackcame up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffeeand talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time, continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Another writerstepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told himright away..."hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....there are some super ones over there." What a neat guy.You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt, no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoeslike the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by thePiet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, thenwas off- on foot. What a neat couple. I doubt they willbe easily replaced.Mike C. I know this is off the subject, but as some might haveread, Jack Cox and his wife Golda have worked at editingSport Aviation for 30 years now and are retiring at theend of this month. They will be moving back to theCarolina's where they are from.What is so cool about Jack is that his HEART is intoPietenpols and small affordable homebuilts. This guyis a down to earth, super nice, quiet, professional, to thepoint person with a good balance in life. There will be at least one article in Sport Aviation on AllenRudolph's (now owned by Jim Hammond) oldest flying Pietand mine, or possibly two separate articles in the upcomingmonths. Jack's love of these homebuilts will be evidentin the articles. (He'd much rather write about these than $$$planeswas the feeling I got.)When I was about to leave for the photo session at Osh Jackcame up to me in the early morning with his cup of coffeeand talked just like your neighbor would over the fence.Retirement, moving, pension, benefits, vacation time, continuing to write articles for SA...etc. Anotherwriterstepped up to us and introduced himself and Jack told himright away...hey, get over there and see those Pietenpols....there are some super ones over there. What a neatguy.You'd never know who he was....no name tag, no EAA shirt, no fancy car or motor scooter to rip around in- just his shoeslike the rest of us. He came over to Karen and I by thePiet and spoke with us a minute or two one day, thenwas off- on foot. What a neat couple. Idoubt they willbe easily replaced.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
Sport Aviation AssociationThey have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and getback to the real roots of aviation.http://www.sportaviation.org/Gordon----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Sport Aviation AssociationThey have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and getback to the real roots of aviation.http://www.sportaviation.org/Gordon----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Gordon: What's SAA??-----Original Message-----
Gordon: What's SAA??-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Thanks Gordon: There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voicedhere today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. Theorganization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reachof many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. Ipersonally don't consider many of the kit planes to be realhomebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence thebureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuildingproducts. I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair orGlassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplusF14, but there is room for everybody. The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots andthe kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they'redoing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.H.W.-----Original Message-----
Thanks Gordon: There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voicedhere today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. Theorganization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reachof many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. Ipersonally don't consider many of the kit planes to be realhomebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence thebureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuildingproducts. I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair orGlassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplusF14, but there is room for everybody. The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots andthe kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they'redoing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.H.W.-----Original Message-----
> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>> Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see theGrass>Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from theJohn Q>Public.>And the UL's are even farther away.>>As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.>>Gordon>SAA # 952>EAA # 0595215>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Howard Wilkinson >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>> Thanks Gordon:>> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced>> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The>> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.>> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" withinreach>> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I>> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real>> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the>> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding>> products.>> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or>> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or asurplus>> F14, but there is room for everybody.>> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our rootsand>> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.>> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....they're>> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.>>>> H.W.>>>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see theGrass>Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from theJohn Q>Public.>And the UL's are even farther away.>>As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.>>Gordon>SAA # 952>EAA # 0595215>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Howard Wilkinson >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>> Thanks Gordon:>> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced>> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The>> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.>> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" withinreach>> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I>> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real>> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the>> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding>> products.>> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or>> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or asurplus>> F14, but there is room for everybody.>> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our rootsand>> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.>> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....they're>> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.>>>> H.W.>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>>> Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>Thanks Gordon:> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced>here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The>organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.>The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach>of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I>personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real>homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the>bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding>products.> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or>Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus>F14, but there is room for everybody.> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and>the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.>Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're>doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.>>H.W.>>-----Original Message----->From: Gordon Brimhall >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>Sport Aviation Association>>>>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and>get>>back to the real roots of aviation.>>>>http://www.sportaviation.org/>>>>Gordon>>>>>>----- Original Message ----->>From: Howard Wilkinson >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>> Gordon:>>> What's SAA??>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>Thanks Gordon:> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced>here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The>organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.>The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach>of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I>personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real>homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the>bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding>products.> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or>Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus>F14, but there is room for everybody.> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and>the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.>Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're>doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.>>H.W.>>-----Original Message----->From: Gordon Brimhall >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>Sport Aviation Association>>>>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and>get>>back to the real roots of aviation.>>>>http://www.sportaviation.org/>>>>Gordon>>>>>>----- Original Message ----->>From: Howard Wilkinson >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>> Gordon:>>> What's SAA??>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>>> Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Pietenpol-List: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda>Gordon:> When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area to>the right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand was>full of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,>Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds and>ends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,>and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around these>aircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I have>no idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in a>high traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraft>to Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having it>pawed by the "unwashed millions".> I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted Olds>V8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,>Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flocking>to Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in a>week effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leaving>the people I really wanted to visit with free.> I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... If>you want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit by>Richard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraft>all, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled by>millions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areas>you will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craft>they have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flock>together in large groups. There are enough examples of the>traditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build an>affordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQ>public do not have the drive and determination to see such a project>through, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.>>H.W.>>H.W.>>-----Original Message----->From: Gordon Brimhall >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:57 AM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the>Grass>>Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the>John Q>>Public.>>And the UL's are even farther away.>>>>As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.>>>>Gordon>>SAA # 952>>EAA # 0595215>>>>>>----- Original Message ----->>From: Howard Wilkinson >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM>>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>> Thanks Gordon:>>> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced>>> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The>>> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.>>> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within>reach>>> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I>>> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real>>> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the>>> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding>>> products.>>> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or>>> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a>surplus>>> F14, but there is room for everybody.>>> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots>and>>> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.>>> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....>they're>>> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.>>>>>> H.W.>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda>Gordon:> When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area to>the right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand was>full of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,>Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds and>ends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,>and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around these>aircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I have>no idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in a>high traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraft>to Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having it>pawed by the "unwashed millions".> I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted Olds>V8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,>Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flocking>to Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in a>week effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leaving>the people I really wanted to visit with free.> I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... If>you want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit by>Richard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraft>all, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled by>millions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areas>you will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craft>they have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flock>together in large groups. There are enough examples of the>traditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build an>affordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQ>public do not have the drive and determination to see such a project>through, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.>>H.W.>>H.W.>>-----Original Message----->From: Gordon Brimhall >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:57 AM>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the>Grass>>Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the>John Q>>Public.>>And the UL's are even farther away.>>>>As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.>>>>Gordon>>SAA # 952>>EAA # 0595215>>>>>>----- Original Message ----->>From: Howard Wilkinson >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM>>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>> Thanks Gordon:>>> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced>>> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The>>> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.>>> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within>reach>>> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I>>> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real>>> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the>>> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding>>> products.>>> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or>>> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a>surplus>>> F14, but there is room for everybody.>>> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots>and>>> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.>>> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....>they're>>> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.>>>>>> H.W.>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the GrassRoots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the John QPublic.And the UL's are even farther away.As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.GordonSAA # 952EAA # 0595215----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the GrassRoots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the John QPublic.And the UL's are even farther away.As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.GordonSAA # 952EAA # 0595215----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?GY-----Original Message-----
Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?GY-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips (EUS)"
GrodonThe SAA sounds like my kind of interest. How do you find more info, if posted earlier, I missed it. Will still stay in EAA, because of all the "good stuff' that goes along with membership.ThanksJohn Davis EAA #516526 Houston,TX________________________________________________________________________________
GrodonThe SAA sounds like my kind of interest. How do you find more info, if posted earlier, I missed it. Will still stay in EAA, because of all the "good stuff' that goes along with membership.ThanksJohn Davis EAA #516526 Houston,TX________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> Howard Wilkinson
yes, www.sportaviation.org> -----Original Message-----> Greg Yotz> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:05 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?> > GY> > > -----Original Message-----
yes, www.sportaviation.org> -----Original Message-----> Greg Yotz> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:05 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > Does anybody know if there is a SAA web site?> > GY> > > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: RE: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> Howard Wilkinson [SMTP:owly(at)mcn.net]
Thanks Howard,I agree that the new EAA logo doesn't appeal to me - the old one is so readilyidentifiable on the back of somebody's bumper 3 cars ahead of you, but I thinkthe EAA has done an outstanding job of gathering all of the facets of Sport Aviationunder it's tent. It is still an organization of homebuilders, and alwayswill be. But it offers something to just about anybody who understands thatthe greatest gift that aviation conveys to the world is not commerce or militaryvalue, but fun. No other organization does that. The AOPA certainly doesn't.I agree with you also about most of the kit planes out there (although there isa certain appeal to an RV-4). I currently have a Pietenpol and an Osprey 2 underconstruction, so I obviously gravitate towards the plans built type planes,but there is a life and vibrancy about the whole homebuilt movement that wasnot there before the kits were around.> -----Original Message-----
Thanks Howard,I agree that the new EAA logo doesn't appeal to me - the old one is so readilyidentifiable on the back of somebody's bumper 3 cars ahead of you, but I thinkthe EAA has done an outstanding job of gathering all of the facets of Sport Aviationunder it's tent. It is still an organization of homebuilders, and alwayswill be. But it offers something to just about anybody who understands thatthe greatest gift that aviation conveys to the world is not commerce or militaryvalue, but fun. No other organization does that. The AOPA certainly doesn't.I agree with you also about most of the kit planes out there (although there isa certain appeal to an RV-4). I currently have a Pietenpol and an Osprey 2 underconstruction, so I obviously gravitate towards the plans built type planes,but there is a life and vibrancy about the whole homebuilt movement that wasnot there before the kits were around.> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
http://www.sportaviation.com/----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.sportaviation.com/----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
MIstake on that one.it is http://www.sportaviation.org/They other one will take you to a aviation web site though as I just foundout.Gordon----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
MIstake on that one.it is http://www.sportaviation.org/They other one will take you to a aviation web site though as I just foundout.Gordon----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Gordon: When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area tothe right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand wasfull of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds andends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around theseaircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I haveno idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in ahigh traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraftto Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having itpawed by the "unwashed millions". I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted OldsV8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flockingto Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in aweek effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leavingthe people I really wanted to visit with free. I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... Ifyou want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit byRichard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraftall, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled bymillions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areasyou will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craftthey have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flocktogether in large groups. There are enough examples of thetraditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build anaffordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQpublic do not have the drive and determination to see such a projectthrough, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.H.W.-----Original Message-----
Gordon: When I spend a week as Oshkosh a number of years ago, the area tothe right of the walkway from the main gate to the anouncers stand wasfull of interesting (to me) aircraft. Piets, Baby aces, Fly babys,Baby Lakes, Heath Parasols, and numerous other interesting odds andends. This area was a peaceful grassy oasis is a sea of fast glass,and I spent many happy hours visiting with folks around theseaircraft. Perhaps they have been moved to a farther area...... I haveno idea, but I suspect that these folks do not really want to be in ahigh traffic area..... Were I to fly a lovingly hand crafted aircraftto Oshkosh I don't think I would be really excited about having itpawed by the "unwashed millions". I had the privelege of meeting Steve W. who had his inverted OldsV8 powered tailwind there, Molt Taylor, who had the "paper" Micro Imp,Jerry Ritz with his Ritz special. Thankfully everybody was flockingto Burt Rutan's glass workshops, Chris Heintz's build a Zenith in aweek effort, and B.J. Schramm's Scorpion II & Exce displays, leavingthe people I really wanted to visit with free. I suspect that the same is more or less true these days..... Ifyou want to drool over the Lancair, or a prepunched lego kit byRichard Vangruvsen, or any of these popular kit planes (great aircraftall, but not true homebuilts), you will be bumped and jostled bymillions, but if you like me gravitate towards the less traveled areasyou will get to meet the people you respect and admire and the craftthey have built or designed and built. Sheep will always flocktogether in large groups. There are enough examples of thetraditional type homebuilts that those with the drive to build anaffordable aircraft will find them..... Let's face it, most of JQpublic do not have the drive and determination to see such a projectthrough, and those who do will surely be able to find what they want.H.W.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
Iwas their in June 98 but not for the big show, I only heard about theplaces they stuck the UL's and such from those who were their, If you don'twant Joe Public to look at your plane and enjoy all the work you have done Isuggest you keep it at home. But some people like the average Joe to seetheir good work, I would just put ropes around the plane. Piet people atBroadhead don't have to worry much. I remember the Air Show at Edwards AFBChap 1000 invited only the High Dollar RV's and Lancairs and others,Everybody had the name and price tag posted on like other shows. I tried totalk to a RV owner and he was sure not very helpfull when I mentioned I waswanting to build a Wood/Fab aircraft first. He told me if I didn't have anextra 50,000 to play with I should find another hobbie like model airplanes.AHSomething for everybody in EAA as you say.GordonRW-1 PietMohawk MK IVQ-1----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Iwas their in June 98 but not for the big show, I only heard about theplaces they stuck the UL's and such from those who were their, If you don'twant Joe Public to look at your plane and enjoy all the work you have done Isuggest you keep it at home. But some people like the average Joe to seetheir good work, I would just put ropes around the plane. Piet people atBroadhead don't have to worry much. I remember the Air Show at Edwards AFBChap 1000 invited only the High Dollar RV's and Lancairs and others,Everybody had the name and price tag posted on like other shows. I tried totalk to a RV owner and he was sure not very helpfull when I mentioned I waswanting to build a Wood/Fab aircraft first. He told me if I didn't have anextra 50,000 to play with I should find another hobbie like model airplanes.AHSomething for everybody in EAA as you say.GordonRW-1 PietMohawk MK IVQ-1----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: J.Q. Public and homebuilding was: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
Hello all, Just noticed this thread today and gotta throw in a dimes worth.Most of John Q. Public couldn'timagine putting in the labor to build even an RV "quick build" kit. Here iswhy I appreciate those who canpay for Glassairs, Lancairs and so on.... Credibility with John Q. Public. Itook a gal flying a couple of weeks ago in a 172. It was her first time tobe within 50 yards of a light plane. While I was pre-flighting she literallyfell in love with a Glassair that was parked on the ramp with the doors up(Damn.. another one with expensive taste!). When I walked over to get hershe asked me what experimental meant. You should have seen her jaw drop whenI told her it was a homebuilt, it probably goes 275, and that a few hundredhave been builtby fellow homebuilders. I can tell that her attitude towards my "Home-made"airplane project has changedconsiderably since that day. When John Q. Public sees a Glassair hepercieves it as being as good or better than any Cessna or Piper. When JQPsee's any fabric covered aircraft he thinks about powered kites anduses terms like "no protection". This will not change. Glass planes aregood for our image. More (horse)power to those who can afford them!-----Original Message-----
Hello all, Just noticed this thread today and gotta throw in a dimes worth.Most of John Q. Public couldn'timagine putting in the labor to build even an RV "quick build" kit. Here iswhy I appreciate those who canpay for Glassairs, Lancairs and so on.... Credibility with John Q. Public. Itook a gal flying a couple of weeks ago in a 172. It was her first time tobe within 50 yards of a light plane. While I was pre-flighting she literallyfell in love with a Glassair that was parked on the ramp with the doors up(Damn.. another one with expensive taste!). When I walked over to get hershe asked me what experimental meant. You should have seen her jaw drop whenI told her it was a homebuilt, it probably goes 275, and that a few hundredhave been builtby fellow homebuilders. I can tell that her attitude towards my "Home-made"airplane project has changedconsiderably since that day. When John Q. Public sees a Glassair hepercieves it as being as good or better than any Cessna or Piper. When JQPsee's any fabric covered aircraft he thinks about powered kites anduses terms like "no protection". This will not change. Glass planes aregood for our image. More (horse)power to those who can afford them!-----Original Message-----
> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> Michael D Cuy
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>> Gordon> SAA #952> ----- Original Message -----
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>> Gordon> SAA #952> ----- Original Message -----
>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>> Michael D Cuy
>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>>>> Gordon>> SAA #952>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>>>> Gordon>> SAA #952>> ----- Original Message -----
> > Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> Gordon Brimhall
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >Sport Aviation Association> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> get> >back to the real roots of aviation.> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/> >> >Gordon> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> Gordon:> >> What's SAA??> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >Sport Aviation Association> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> get> >back to the real roots of aviation.> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/> >> >Gordon> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> Gordon:> >> What's SAA??> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> Michael D Cuy
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>> >> Gordon> >> SAA #952> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>> >> Gordon> >> SAA #952> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>>> Michael D Cuy
>>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>>>>>> Gordon>>> SAA #952>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>>>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>>>>>> Gordon>>> SAA #952>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> Gordon Brimhall
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > >Sport Aviation Association> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> get> >back to the real roots of aviation.> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/> >> >Gordon> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> Gordon:> >> What's SAA??> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > >Sport Aviation Association> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> get> >back to the real roots of aviation.> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/> >> >Gordon> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> Gordon:> >> What's SAA??> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> Michael D Cuy
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>> >> Gordon> >> SAA #952> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>> >> Gordon> >> SAA #952> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >>> Gordon Brimhall
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > >Thanks Gordon:> > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach> >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> >products.> > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus> >F14, but there is room for everybody.> > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and> >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're> >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> >> >H.W.> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: Gordon Brimhall > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >>Sport Aviation Association> >>> >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> >get> >>back to the real roots of aviation.> >>> >>http://www.sportaviation.org/> >>> >>Gordon> >>> >>> >>----- Original Message -----> >>From: Howard Wilkinson > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >>> Gordon:> >>> What's SAA??> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > >Thanks Gordon:> > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach> >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> >products.> > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus> >F14, but there is room for everybody.> > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and> >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're> >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> >> >H.W.> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: Gordon Brimhall > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >>Sport Aviation Association> >>> >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> >get> >>back to the real roots of aviation.> >>> >>http://www.sportaviation.org/> >>> >>Gordon> >>> >>> >>----- Original Message -----> >>From: Howard Wilkinson > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >>> Gordon:> >>> What's SAA??> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >>> Michael D Cuy
> >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>>> >>>> >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>>> >>> Gordon> >>> SAA #952> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>>> >>>> >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>>> >>> Gordon> >>> SAA #952> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> > >>> Gordon Brimhall
> > Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> > >Thanks Gordon:> > > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> > >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> > >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> > >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach> > >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> > >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> > >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> > >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> > >products.> > > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> > >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus> > >F14, but there is room for everybody.> > > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and> > >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> > >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're> > >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> > >> > >H.W.> > >> > >-----Original Message-----> > >From: Gordon Brimhall > > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM> > >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > >> > >> > >>Sport Aviation Association> > >>> > >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> > >get> > >>back to the real roots of aviation.> > >>> > >>http://www.sportaviation.org/> > >>> > >>Gordon> > >>> > >>> > >>----- Original Message -----> > >>From: Howard Wilkinson > > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> > >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > >>> > >>> > >>> Gordon:> > >>> What's SAA??> > >>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> > >Thanks Gordon:> > > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> > >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> > >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> > >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach> > >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> > >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> > >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> > >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> > >products.> > > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> > >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus> > >F14, but there is room for everybody.> > > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and> > >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> > >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're> > >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> > >> > >H.W.> > >> > >-----Original Message-----> > >From: Gordon Brimhall > > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM> > >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > >> > >> > >>Sport Aviation Association> > >>> > >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> > >get> > >>back to the real roots of aviation.> > >>> > >>http://www.sportaviation.org/> > >>> > >>Gordon> > >>> > >>> > >>----- Original Message -----> > >>From: Howard Wilkinson > > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> > >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > >>> > >>> > >>> Gordon:> > >>> What's SAA??> > >>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> > >>> Michael D Cuy
> > >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> > >>>> > >>> Gordon> > >>> SAA #952> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> > >>>> > >>> Gordon> > >>> SAA #952> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>> >> Gordon Brimhall
>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>> >Sport Aviation Association>> >>> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to joinand>> get>> >back to the real roots of aviation.>> >>> >http://www.sportaviation.org/>> >>> >Gordon>> >>> >>> >----- Original Message ----->> >From: Howard Wilkinson >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>> >>> >>> >> Gordon:>> >> What's SAA??>> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>> >Sport Aviation Association>> >>> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to joinand>> get>> >back to the real roots of aviation.>> >>> >http://www.sportaviation.org/>> >>> >Gordon>> >>> >>> >----- Original Message ----->> >From: Howard Wilkinson >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>> >>> >>> >> Gordon:>> >> What's SAA??>> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>> >> Michael D Cuy
>> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>> >>>> >>>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>> >>>> >> Gordon>> >> SAA #952>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>> >>>> >>>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>> >>>> >> Gordon>> >> SAA #952>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> Gordon Brimhall
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the> Grass> >Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the> John Q> >Public.> >And the UL's are even farther away.> >> >As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.> >> >Gordon> >SAA # 952> >EAA # 0595215> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> Thanks Gordon:> >> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> >> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> >> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> >> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within> reach> >> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> >> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> >> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> >> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> >> products.> >> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> >> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a> surplus> >> F14, but there is room for everybody.> >> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots> and> >> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> >> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....> they're> >> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> >>> >> H.W.> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >Well you know that at Osh the majority of the people don't see the> Grass> >Roots type of aircraft, I understand they are kept way away from the> John Q> >Public.> >And the UL's are even farther away.> >> >As the SAA says to all, their is room for both Orgs to be around.> >> >Gordon> >SAA # 952> >EAA # 0595215> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> Thanks Gordon:> >> There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> >> here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> >> organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> >> The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within> reach> >> of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> >> personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> >> homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> >> bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> >> products.> >> I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> >> Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a> surplus> >> F14, but there is room for everybody.> >> The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots> and> >> the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> >> Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom....> they're> >> doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> >>> >> H.W.> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> >> Gordon Brimhall
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >> >Sport Aviation Association> >> >> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join> and> >> get> >> >back to the real roots of aviation.> >> >> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/> >> >> >> >Gordon> >> >> >> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gordon:> >> >> What's SAA??> >> >>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >> >Sport Aviation Association> >> >> >> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join> and> >> get> >> >back to the real roots of aviation.> >> >> >> >http://www.sportaviation.org/> >> >> >> >Gordon> >> >> >> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >> >From: Howard Wilkinson > >> >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gordon:> >> >> What's SAA??> >> >>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >> >> Michael D Cuy
> >> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >> >>> >> >> Gordon> >> >> SAA #952> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >> >>> >> >> Gordon> >> >> SAA #952> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >>> Gordon Brimhall
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > >Thanks Gordon:> > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach> >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> >products.> > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus> >F14, but there is room for everybody.> > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and> >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're> >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> >> >H.W.> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: Gordon Brimhall > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >>Sport Aviation Association> >>> >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> >get> >>back to the real roots of aviation.> >>> >>http://www.sportaviation.org/> >>> >>Gordon> >>> >>> >>----- Original Message -----> >>From: Howard Wilkinson > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >>> Gordon:> >>> What's SAA??> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> > > >Thanks Gordon:> > There has been much criticism of EAA similar to what was voiced> >here today..... I don't really feel that this is fair. The> >organization caters to the needs of the majority of the membership.> >The fast glass kit planes and such brought "homebuilding" within reach> >of many people who would never otherwise be a part of it. I> >personally don't consider many of the kit planes to be real> >homebuilts, but we need the weight of numbers to influence the> >bureaucrats, create markets for engines and other homebuilding> >products.> > I personally am not much attracted by the latest Lancair or> >Glassair, and have absolutely no desire to own a bomber or a surplus> >F14, but there is room for everybody.> > The SAA sounds like a refreshing change back towards our roots and> >the kind of homebuilding that interests folks such as you and I.> >Let's not be too quick to condem the EAA or president Tom.... they're> >doing a good job, we just happen to be out of the mainstream.> >> >H.W.> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: Gordon Brimhall > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:59 PM> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >> >> >>Sport Aviation Association> >>> >>They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join and> >get> >>back to the real roots of aviation.> >>> >>http://www.sportaviation.org/> >>> >>Gordon> >>> >>> >>----- Original Message -----> >>From: Howard Wilkinson > >>To: Pietenpol Discussion > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM> >>Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>> >>> >>> Gordon:> >>> What's SAA??> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:> >>> Michael D Cuy
> >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>>> >>>> >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>>> >>> Gordon> >>> SAA #952> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda> >>>> >>>> >>> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA> >>>> >>> Gordon> >>> SAA #952> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>>> >> Gordon Brimhall
>>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>>>> >Sport Aviation Association>>> >>>> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join>and>>> get>>> >back to the real roots of aviation.>>> >>>> >http://www.sportaviation.org/>>> >>>> >Gordon>>> >>>> >>>> >----- Original Message ----->>> >From: Howard Wilkinson >>> >To: Pietenpol Discussion >>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>>> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >>>> >>>> >> Gordon:>>> >> What's SAA??>>> >>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>>>>>>>> >Sport Aviation Association>>> >>>> >They have a web site that explains it all. Free right now to join>and>>> get>>> >back to the real roots of aviation.>>> >>>> >http://www.sportaviation.org/>>> >>>> >Gordon>>> >>>> >>>> >----- Original Message ----->>> >From: Howard Wilkinson >>> >To: Pietenpol Discussion >>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:10 PM>>> >Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >>>> >>>> >> Gordon:>>> >> What's SAA??>>> >>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> Re: Jack Cox & Golda
Original Posted By:>>> >> Michael D Cuy
>>> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>>> >>>>> >> Gordon>>> >> SAA #952>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> Subject: Re: Jack Cox & Golda>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> I hope he/she writes for the New SAA>>> >>>>> >> Gordon>>> >> SAA #952>>> >> ----- Original Message -----