Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Hey gang, I just bought a Aeronca 11AC that was damaged in a wind storm.Anyone have about 10 good wood ribs for a Chief? Better yet would be awhole wing. Let me know if it's close to Iowa. I drove to Oregon to get myPiet project and I don't want to go that far again. Thanks.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: walter evans
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs and Wings>Tim->I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.>Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.>I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you>elect to go for a new wing.>See our Aeronca rib pages at >HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com>>>Steve>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs and Wings>Tim->I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.>Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.>I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you>elect to go for a new wing.>See our Aeronca rib pages at >HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com>>>Steve>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs and Wings>The Trina Airport you are refering to, is that in Andover NJ. If so, I usedto>work for Pete Billow years ago there. I was probobly the last person topaint the>roof on the hangar!>>Replicraft(at)aol.com wrote:>>> Tim->> I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.>> Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.>> I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you>> elect to go for a new wing.>> See our Aeronca rib pages at >>HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com>>>> Steve>>>-->**>David B.Schober, CPE>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance>Fairmont State College>National Aerospace Education Center>1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503>(304) 842-8300>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs and Wings>The Trina Airport you are refering to, is that in Andover NJ. If so, I usedto>work for Pete Billow years ago there. I was probobly the last person topaint the>roof on the hangar!>>Replicraft(at)aol.com wrote:>>> Tim->> I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.>> Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.>> I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you>> elect to go for a new wing.>> See our Aeronca rib pages at >>HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com>>>> Steve>>>-->**>David B.Schober, CPE>Instructor, Aviation Maintenance>Fairmont State College>National Aerospace Education Center>1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive>Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503>(304) 842-8300>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
Why not just build the 10 new ribs? Not being familiar with the design, Iassume that they are a built up truss design. It really is simple to buildup a rib jig and fashion out a few new ones. The advantage is that you canuse newer glues, like T-88 epoxy and newer sealants, like 2 partpolyeurathanes, that are better than the original and approved foraircraft repair. Also, you get to build it with nice, clean new wood thatyou KNOW has no rot, dry rot or termite damage. There was an article in arecent Custom Planes magazine (Aug, Set or Oct) on how to build ribs.Since you are using "equivalent" materials, you should be fine with theFAA. Besides, you already have a good patern to use to build the rib. Ifthere is enough of the broken ones to get a pattern, use them. Otherwise,get an accurate tracing of one on the wing. With one jig, you can knock out about one every 2 nights. Add in anevening to build the jig and a weekend to cut all those little pieces andyou're in business. The best way to proceed is to by the cap strip and truss material, then cut out all the pieces for all the ribs (a goodmiter saw works well here) and put the parts in labeled dixie cups, yogurtcontainere, etc. ie all of the truss 1 parts in one cup, truss 2 parts inthe next, and so on. The same works for the little gussets. In all, youcould build them all for $100-$200 in materials. Hope this helps.KenOn Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Copinfo wrote:> Hey gang, I just bought a Aeronca 11AC that was damaged in a wind storm.> Anyone have about 10 good wood ribs for a Chief? Better yet would be a> whole wing. Let me know if it's close to Iowa. I drove to Oregon to get my> Piet project and I don't want to go that far again. Thanks.> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com> Tim Cunningham> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
Why not just build the 10 new ribs? Not being familiar with the design, Iassume that they are a built up truss design. It really is simple to buildup a rib jig and fashion out a few new ones. The advantage is that you canuse newer glues, like T-88 epoxy and newer sealants, like 2 partpolyeurathanes, that are better than the original and approved foraircraft repair. Also, you get to build it with nice, clean new wood thatyou KNOW has no rot, dry rot or termite damage. There was an article in arecent Custom Planes magazine (Aug, Set or Oct) on how to build ribs.Since you are using "equivalent" materials, you should be fine with theFAA. Besides, you already have a good patern to use to build the rib. Ifthere is enough of the broken ones to get a pattern, use them. Otherwise,get an accurate tracing of one on the wing. With one jig, you can knock out about one every 2 nights. Add in anevening to build the jig and a weekend to cut all those little pieces andyou're in business. The best way to proceed is to by the cap strip and truss material, then cut out all the pieces for all the ribs (a goodmiter saw works well here) and put the parts in labeled dixie cups, yogurtcontainere, etc. ie all of the truss 1 parts in one cup, truss 2 parts inthe next, and so on. The same works for the little gussets. In all, youcould build them all for $100-$200 in materials. Hope this helps.KenOn Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Copinfo wrote:> Hey gang, I just bought a Aeronca 11AC that was damaged in a wind storm.> Anyone have about 10 good wood ribs for a Chief? Better yet would be a> whole wing. Let me know if it's close to Iowa. I drove to Oregon to get my> Piet project and I don't want to go that far again. Thanks.> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com> Tim Cunningham> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
I gather that some people are using 7/8 x7/8 for thelongerons instead of 1 in x 1 in, and 7/8 thicknessfor the spars. is there anybody that would argueagainst doing that, or is everybody pretty much inagreement with that. Im planning on the corvair. If Ibuy 4/4 lumber and be carefull in planing it I mighteven get 15/16 out of it.________________________________________________________________________________
I gather that some people are using 7/8 x7/8 for thelongerons instead of 1 in x 1 in, and 7/8 thicknessfor the spars. is there anybody that would argueagainst doing that, or is everybody pretty much inagreement with that. Im planning on the corvair. If Ibuy 4/4 lumber and be carefull in planing it I mighteven get 15/16 out of it.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Your damaged Chief brings back fond memories...Way back in 195something, I bought an Aeronca O-58B (L3B). When I had to recover a wing, I was amazed to find that the gussets were CARDBOARD!!! Seems that in an effort to conserve plywood, which was scarce everywhere except Howard Hughes' hangar, Aeronca utilized this readily available substitute. Since the wings were already almost twenty years old, and the cardboard was still in pretty good condition, I would venture that they made a good decision.Sure wish I still had that bird. For that matter, I wish I had every airplane I ever flew in.EdP.S.--sign me up for the Impoverished Airplane Builders Association too. ________________________________________________________________________________
Your damaged Chief brings back fond memories...Way back in 195something, I bought an Aeronca O-58B (L3B). When I had to recover a wing, I was amazed to find that the gussets were CARDBOARD!!! Seems that in an effort to conserve plywood, which was scarce everywhere except Howard Hughes' hangar, Aeronca utilized this readily available substitute. Since the wings were already almost twenty years old, and the cardboard was still in pretty good condition, I would venture that they made a good decision.Sure wish I still had that bird. For that matter, I wish I had every airplane I ever flew in.EdP.S.--sign me up for the Impoverished Airplane Builders Association too. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
Ed...Aeronca used cardboard gussets on most of their pre-war birds I think... I know they did on the C-2 and C-3.......TLB________________________________________________________________________________
Ed...Aeronca used cardboard gussets on most of their pre-war birds I think... I know they did on the C-2 and C-3.......TLB________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
Tim-I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs. Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you elect to go for a new wing.See our Aeronca rib pages at HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.comSteve________________________________________________________________________________
Tim-I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs. Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you elect to go for a new wing.See our Aeronca rib pages at HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.comSteve________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: fishin
David-YES it's the same....does this go into the "small world" bin?Steve________________________________________________________________________________
David-YES it's the same....does this go into the "small world" bin?Steve________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
The Trina Airport you are refering to, is that in Andover NJ. If so, I used towork for Pete Billow years ago there. I was probobly the last person to paint theroof on the hangar!Replicraft(at)aol.com wrote:> Tim-> I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.> Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.> I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you> elect to go for a new wing.> See our Aeronca rib pages at > HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com>> Steve--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
The Trina Airport you are refering to, is that in Andover NJ. If so, I used towork for Pete Billow years ago there. I was probobly the last person to paint theroof on the hangar!Replicraft(at)aol.com wrote:> Tim-> I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.> Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.> I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you> elect to go for a new wing.> See our Aeronca rib pages at > HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com>> Steve--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Replicraft(at)aol.com
Steve,Is that Trinca in NJ? Checked out in a Cub there. I'm building a Piet inByram Twsp.walt-----Original Message-----
Steve,Is that Trinca in NJ? Checked out in a Cub there. I'm building a Piet inByram Twsp.walt-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: David B. Schober
David,Are you still in this area? Byram Piet builder here.walt-----Original Message-----
David,Are you still in this area? Byram Piet builder here.walt-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: kyle ray
Walt-It's Trinca in New Jersey... interesting how many people have flown through that little grass strip! There are some interesting aircraft there besides the decaying hulks of old Cubs... An AT-6 , a French Stomp (Stampe?) one PT-17 , a set of Hatz wings ( at least last spring...) , and a guy that recovers....Other than that., just some cows..Steve________________________________________________________________________________
Walt-It's Trinca in New Jersey... interesting how many people have flown through that little grass strip! There are some interesting aircraft there besides the decaying hulks of old Cubs... An AT-6 , a French Stomp (Stampe?) one PT-17 , a set of Hatz wings ( at least last spring...) , and a guy that recovers....Other than that., just some cows..Steve________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By:> David B. Schober
Walter,I live in WV now but am looking to move back to the northeast. I worked for Petearound '74-'76. Flew that same Cub alot back then. I lived just around thecorner and my real job was at ARC in Boonton. Since then, I went to college inSt. Louis, worked for Beech in ICT, then mooved to Poughkeepsie and worked foran airline there. Lived in the POU area up until about 2.5 years ago when Imoved here to teach at a local college. Talk about culture shock!walter evans wrote:> David,> Are you still in this area? Byram Piet builder here.> walt> -----Original Message-----
Walter,I live in WV now but am looking to move back to the northeast. I worked for Petearound '74-'76. Flew that same Cub alot back then. I lived just around thecorner and my real job was at ARC in Boonton. Since then, I went to college inSt. Louis, worked for Beech in ICT, then mooved to Poughkeepsie and worked foran airline there. Lived in the POU area up until about 2.5 years ago when Imoved here to teach at a local college. Talk about culture shock!walter evans wrote:> David,> Are you still in this area? Byram Piet builder here.> walt> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Years ago I tore apart a 1940 Aeronca Chief and these wings also hadcardboard gussets. Light aircraft built during this time period werelike cars; they were only expected to last so long. I did a considerableamount of work on a 1941 Defender awhile back and it was obvious lookingat the structure that it was never intended by Aeronca that it wouldstill be flying fifty years later. Incidently, this Defender was not anL-3 and was licensed December 5, 1941. It could possibly have been thelast civil aircraft licensed before Pearl Harbor. Who knows?John Langston>Your damaged Chief brings back fond memories...>Way back in 195something, I bought an Aeronca O-58B (L3B). When I had >to >recover a wing, I was amazed to find that the gussets were >CARDBOARD!!! >Seems that in an effort to conserve plywood, which was scarce >everywhere >except Howard Hughes' hangar, Aeronca utilized this readily available >>substitute. Since the wings were already almost twenty years old, and >the >cardboard was still in pretty good condition, I would venture that >they made >a good decision.>>Sure wish I still had that bird. For that matter, I wish I had every >>airplane I ever flew in.>>Ed>>P.S.--sign me up for the Impoverished Airplane Builders Association >too. __________________________________________________________________________________________
Years ago I tore apart a 1940 Aeronca Chief and these wings also hadcardboard gussets. Light aircraft built during this time period werelike cars; they were only expected to last so long. I did a considerableamount of work on a 1941 Defender awhile back and it was obvious lookingat the structure that it was never intended by Aeronca that it wouldstill be flying fifty years later. Incidently, this Defender was not anL-3 and was licensed December 5, 1941. It could possibly have been thelast civil aircraft licensed before Pearl Harbor. Who knows?John Langston>Your damaged Chief brings back fond memories...>Way back in 195something, I bought an Aeronca O-58B (L3B). When I had >to >recover a wing, I was amazed to find that the gussets were >CARDBOARD!!! >Seems that in an effort to conserve plywood, which was scarce >everywhere >except Howard Hughes' hangar, Aeronca utilized this readily available >>substitute. Since the wings were already almost twenty years old, and >the >cardboard was still in pretty good condition, I would venture that >they made >a good decision.>>Sure wish I still had that bird. For that matter, I wish I had every >>airplane I ever flew in.>>Ed>>P.S.--sign me up for the Impoverished Airplane Builders Association >too. __________________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: kyle ray
John ...very interesting that you mentioned the Aeronca Defender may have been the last civil aircraft manufactured befor Pearl Harbor. An historical point of interest (that you may already know as a Defender owner is that the small civilian plane that got caught in the air early on the morning of December 7th as the Japanese planes arrived at Pearl was an Aeronca Defender. He was certainly startled but made it down safely, the plane survived the war was rebuilt and I believe is flying to this day!!!Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
John ...very interesting that you mentioned the Aeronca Defender may have been the last civil aircraft manufactured befor Pearl Harbor. An historical point of interest (that you may already know as a Defender owner is that the small civilian plane that got caught in the air early on the morning of December 7th as the Japanese planes arrived at Pearl was an Aeronca Defender. He was certainly startled but made it down safely, the plane survived the war was rebuilt and I believe is flying to this day!!!Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
> Subject: Re: Ribs and Wings>> >The Trina Airport you are refering to, is that in Andover NJ. If so, I used> to> >work for Pete Billow years ago there. I was probobly the last person to> paint the> >roof on the hangar!> >> >Replicraft(at)aol.com wrote:> >> >> Tim-> >> I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.> >> Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.> >> I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you> >> elect to go for a new wing.> >> See our Aeronca rib pages at > >>> HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com A>> >>> >> Steve> >> >> >> >--> >> **> >David B.Schober, CPE> >Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> >Fairmont State College> >National Aerospace Education Center> >1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive> >Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> >(304) 842-8300> >> >> >> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: Ribs and Wings>> >The Trina Airport you are refering to, is that in Andover NJ. If so, I used> to> >work for Pete Billow years ago there. I was probobly the last person to> paint the> >roof on the hangar!> >> >Replicraft(at)aol.com wrote:> >> >> Tim-> >> I have original prints for the Aeronca Chief wing, and jigs for the ribs.> >> Just finished a complete rib set for a fellow here at Trinca Airport.> >> I could put together the needed ribs, and supply the spar drawings if you> >> elect to go for a new wing.> >> See our Aeronca rib pages at > >>> HREF="http://www.replicraftaviation.com">http://www.replicraftaviation.com A>> >>> >> Steve> >> >> >> >--> >> **> >David B.Schober, CPE> >Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> >Fairmont State College> >National Aerospace Education Center> >1050 East Benedum Industrial Drive> >Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> >(304) 842-8300> >> >> >> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________