Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nose High AttitudeMike, does it take much (or any?) forward stick in cruise with a full tank?Could be a tad weighty in the tail. My GN flys pretty much level. Ofcourse neither you nor I would qualify as jockys.Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>the rudder from side to side.>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the>nose and maintain level flight?>>Thanks.....>>Mike>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High AttitudeMike, my cabanes are the same length on my GN. All you need to do is tapesome bricks to the top of the engine cowling:o) Seriously though, if yougo to a wooden prop, (I think you have a metal prop now), you're situationmay be further enhanced.Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas>Larry,>>Good point. I have aerial pictures of the plane from>previous owners and it looked a little nose high>in cruise.>>Next time I am at the airport, I will measure the cabanes>and report back.>>I am a little over 200 pounds....had my duffle bag of>clothes in the front cockpit and the 12 gal fuel tank>full on take off. It seemed to me the nose got a little>higher on my cross country trip as the gas burned off.>>I have often wondered if the the PIETS and GN-1s>were designed to fly a little nose high in level cruise>flight.>>Thanks for the input.>>Mike>Dallas>>>>>>>>>>>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>>>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>>>>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>>>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>>>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>>>the rudder from side to side.>>>>>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>>>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the>>>nose and maintain level flight?>>>>>>Thanks.....>>>>>>Mike>>>>>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it was>>discovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. That>>effectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was at>>the proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it always>>looked like it was on the verge of a stall!>>>>So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.>>>>Larry>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High AttitudeMike, my cabanes are the same length on my GN. All you need to do is tapesome bricks to the top of the engine cowling:o) Seriously though, if yougo to a wooden prop, (I think you have a metal prop now), you're situationmay be further enhanced.Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas>Larry,>>Good point. I have aerial pictures of the plane from>previous owners and it looked a little nose high>in cruise.>>Next time I am at the airport, I will measure the cabanes>and report back.>>I am a little over 200 pounds....had my duffle bag of>clothes in the front cockpit and the 12 gal fuel tank>full on take off. It seemed to me the nose got a little>higher on my cross country trip as the gas burned off.>>I have often wondered if the the PIETS and GN-1s>were designed to fly a little nose high in level cruise>flight.>>Thanks for the input.>>Mike>Dallas>>>>>>>>>>>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>>>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>>>>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>>>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>>>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>>>the rudder from side to side.>>>>>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>>>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the>>>nose and maintain level flight?>>>>>>Thanks.....>>>>>>Mike>>>>>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it was>>discovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. That>>effectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was at>>the proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it always>>looked like it was on the verge of a stall!>>>>So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.>>>>Larry>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High Attitude
Original Posted By: BLee552856(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High AttitudeI was wondering when that was coming.Robert Hensarling>>I think the answer is......Build a Pietenpol!!
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High AttitudeI was wondering when that was coming.Robert Hensarling>>I think the answer is......Build a Pietenpol!!
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Original Posted By: robert hensarling
My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metalcruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.When flying it on my last 400 mile cross countrytrip, I was constantly dropping the nose everyonce in a while for forward visibility and/or kickingthe rudder from side to side. Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high whilein level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the nose and maintain level flight?Thanks.....Mike________________________________________________________________________________
My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metalcruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.When flying it on my last 400 mile cross countrytrip, I was constantly dropping the nose everyonce in a while for forward visibility and/or kickingthe rudder from side to side. Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high whilein level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the nose and maintain level flight?Thanks.....Mike________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael King
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Original Posted By: Michael King
>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>the rudder from side to side. >>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the >nose and maintain level flight?>>Thanks.....>>Mike>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it wasdiscovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. Thateffectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was atthe proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it alwayslooked like it was on the verge of a stall!So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>the rudder from side to side. >>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the >nose and maintain level flight?>>Thanks.....>>Mike>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it wasdiscovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. Thateffectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was atthe proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it alwayslooked like it was on the verge of a stall!So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High Attitude
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Larry,Good point. I have aerial pictures of the plane from previous owners and it looked a little nose highin cruise. Next time I am at the airport, I will measure the cabanesand report back.I am a little over 200 pounds....had my duffle bag of clothes in the front cockpit and the 12 gal fuel tankfull on take off. It seemed to me the nose got a littlehigher on my cross country trip as the gas burned off.I have often wondered if the the PIETS and GN-1s were designed to fly a little nose high in level cruiseflight.Thanks for the input.MikeDallas>>>>>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>>the rudder from side to side. >>>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the >>nose and maintain level flight?>>>>Thanks.....>>>>Mike>>>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it was>discovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. That>effectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was at>the proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it always>looked like it was on the verge of a stall!>>So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.>>Larry >>________________________________________________________________________________
Larry,Good point. I have aerial pictures of the plane from previous owners and it looked a little nose highin cruise. Next time I am at the airport, I will measure the cabanesand report back.I am a little over 200 pounds....had my duffle bag of clothes in the front cockpit and the 12 gal fuel tankfull on take off. It seemed to me the nose got a littlehigher on my cross country trip as the gas burned off.I have often wondered if the the PIETS and GN-1s were designed to fly a little nose high in level cruiseflight.Thanks for the input.MikeDallas>>>>>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>>the rudder from side to side. >>>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the >>nose and maintain level flight?>>>>Thanks.....>>>>Mike>>>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it was>discovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. That>effectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was at>the proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it always>looked like it was on the verge of a stall!>>So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.>>Larry >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High Attitude
Original Posted By: Michael King
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Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
Larry,Wow, that is scary - 62.6 hours from Florida to OSH and Brodhead and back onthe verge of a stall....Seriously, my GN-1 does fly slightly nose high. I thought all Piets diduntil I saw them at OSH and Brodhead. No one else's did. So, I was alsotold about the shorter rear cabane. Made sense and I thought that was theanswer until I checked the GN-1 plans. They call for equal cabanes. APietenpol calls for 1" shorter in the rear.So, it is back to the drawing boards. I haven't had time to check theactual W&B, but that might be the problem. If someone else comes up withthe answer I would sure like to hear.Ted BrousseauNaples, FL----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Larry,Wow, that is scary - 62.6 hours from Florida to OSH and Brodhead and back onthe verge of a stall....Seriously, my GN-1 does fly slightly nose high. I thought all Piets diduntil I saw them at OSH and Brodhead. No one else's did. So, I was alsotold about the shorter rear cabane. Made sense and I thought that was theanswer until I checked the GN-1 plans. They call for equal cabanes. APietenpol calls for 1" shorter in the rear.So, it is back to the drawing boards. I haven't had time to check theactual W&B, but that might be the problem. If someone else comes up withthe answer I would sure like to hear.Ted BrousseauNaples, FL----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High Attitude
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
writes:>Larry,>>Wow, that is scary - 62.6 hours from Florida to OSH and Brodhead and >back on>the verge of a stall....>>Seriously, my GN-1 does fly slightly nose high. I thought all Piets >did>until I saw them at OSH and Brodhead. No one else's did. So, I was >also>told about the shorter rear cabane. Made sense and I thought that was >the>answer until I checked the GN-1 plans. They call for equal cabanes. >A>Pietenpol calls for 1" shorter in the rear.>>So, it is back to the drawing boards. I haven't had time to check >the>actual W&B, but that might be the problem. If someone else comes up >with>the answer I would sure like to hear.>TedI think the answer is......Build a Pietenpol!! ;-)Larry________________________________________________________________________________
writes:>Larry,>>Wow, that is scary - 62.6 hours from Florida to OSH and Brodhead and >back on>the verge of a stall....>>Seriously, my GN-1 does fly slightly nose high. I thought all Piets >did>until I saw them at OSH and Brodhead. No one else's did. So, I was >also>told about the shorter rear cabane. Made sense and I thought that was >the>answer until I checked the GN-1 plans. They call for equal cabanes. >A>Pietenpol calls for 1" shorter in the rear.>>So, it is back to the drawing boards. I haven't had time to check >the>actual W&B, but that might be the problem. If someone else comes up >with>the answer I would sure like to hear.>TedI think the answer is......Build a Pietenpol!! ;-)Larry________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nose High Attitude
Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
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Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
Larry,Funny you say that. I am.Tted----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Bert & Nancy Conoly
I would like to learn about propeller building. eitherwood carved or if anybody knows of any plans builtadjustable prop available. I'm a machinest by trade,so am able to do some machining and balancing. are the3 and 4 blade props designed for the higher rpmengines? or what are the advantages? has anybodypurchased the plans from gary mcgill to build a propcarving machine.=====________________________________________________________________________________
I would like to learn about propeller building. eitherwood carved or if anybody knows of any plans builtadjustable prop available. I'm a machinest by trade,so am able to do some machining and balancing. are the3 and 4 blade props designed for the higher rpmengines? or what are the advantages? has anybodypurchased the plans from gary mcgill to build a propcarving machine.=====________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
writes:>Larry,>>Funny you say that. I am.>>TedI know. That's why I had the nerve to say that!________________________________________________________________________________
writes:>Larry,>>Funny you say that. I am.>>TedI know. That's why I had the nerve to say that!________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
By the plans the cabine struts are not suppose to be the same length. Thefront ones are 3/4 in shorter than the rear ones. I wondered about thiswhile building and now I see why they are shorter. I built to plans andsure hope mine doesn't fly nose high. jas>>-----Original Message----->From: Michael King >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:35 PM>Subject: Re: Nose High Attitude>>Mike, my cabanes are the same length on my GN. All you need to do is tape>some bricks to the top of the engine cowling:o) Seriously though, if you>go to a wooden prop, (I think you have a metal prop now), you're situation>may be further enhanced.>Robert Hensarling>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>Uvalde, Texas>>>>Larry,>>>>Good point. I have aerial pictures of the plane from>>previous owners and it looked a little nose high>>in cruise.>>>>Next time I am at the airport, I will measure the cabanes>>and report back.>>>>I am a little over 200 pounds....had my duffle bag of>>clothes in the front cockpit and the 12 gal fuel tank>>full on take off. It seemed to me the nose got a little>>higher on my cross country trip as the gas burned off.>>>>I have often wondered if the the PIETS and GN-1s>>were designed to fly a little nose high in level cruise>>flight.>>>>Thanks for the input.>>>>Mike>>Dallas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>>>>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>>>>>>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>>>>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>>>>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>>>>the rudder from side to side.>>>>>>>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>>>>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the>>>>nose and maintain level flight?>>>>>>>>Thanks.....>>>>>>>>Mike>>>>>>>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it was>>>discovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. That>>>effectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was at>>>the proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it always>>>looked like it was on the verge of a stall!>>>>>>So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.>>>>>>Larry>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
By the plans the cabine struts are not suppose to be the same length. Thefront ones are 3/4 in shorter than the rear ones. I wondered about thiswhile building and now I see why they are shorter. I built to plans andsure hope mine doesn't fly nose high. jas>>-----Original Message----->From: Michael King >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:35 PM>Subject: Re: Nose High Attitude>>Mike, my cabanes are the same length on my GN. All you need to do is tape>some bricks to the top of the engine cowling:o) Seriously though, if you>go to a wooden prop, (I think you have a metal prop now), you're situation>may be further enhanced.>Robert Hensarling>http://www.mesquite-furniture.com>rhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.com>Uvalde, Texas>>>>Larry,>>>>Good point. I have aerial pictures of the plane from>>previous owners and it looked a little nose high>>in cruise.>>>>Next time I am at the airport, I will measure the cabanes>>and report back.>>>>I am a little over 200 pounds....had my duffle bag of>>clothes in the front cockpit and the 12 gal fuel tank>>full on take off. It seemed to me the nose got a little>>higher on my cross country trip as the gas burned off.>>>>I have often wondered if the the PIETS and GN-1s>>were designed to fly a little nose high in level cruise>>flight.>>>>Thanks for the input.>>>>Mike>>Dallas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My GN-1 Aircamper has an A-80 and metal>>>>cruise prop. It also has a nose high attitude.>>>>>>>>When flying it on my last 400 mile cross country>>>>trip, I was constantly dropping the nose every>>>>once in a while for forward visibility and/or kicking>>>>the rudder from side to side.>>>>>>>>Are all PIETS and GN-1s a little nose high while>>>>in level flight? If not, what can I do to lower the>>>>nose and maintain level flight?>>>>>>>>Thanks.....>>>>>>>>Mike>>>>>>>I know the Breusseau (sp?) GN-1 at B'head flew the same way and it was>>>discovered that all of his cabane struts were the same length. That>>>effectively put the fuselage in a nose-high attitude when the wing was at>>>the proper angle of attack to maintain flight. From the ground it always>>>looked like it was on the verge of a stall!>>>>>>So- check out your angle of incidence, decalage, and CG.>>>>>>Larry>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________