Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks Iasked about the other day. explosion proofing the tankwith foam. using a molding plastic crushable carracing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? iseverybody on vacation?=====________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Joe Krzes
Hi Del, Have worked around NASCAR pits a time or two, so will pass alongsome opinions on your questions. All of your suggestions will work....however....unless you have someparts room contacts, you are talking about some serious high dollaritems. While these are crash proof products are great, compare the rollcage on a today's NASCAR to your Piet. My point being, that while thetank might survive, if you hit hard enough to need the explosion prooftank, you probably won't be around to enjoy your good judgment. Foam fillers have had some fine grain deterioration problems overtime, and have ended up causing fuel line clogging. The time framedepends on the type of foam and the type of fuel. Aviation fuel ispretty consistent at all times of the year and at all geographicallocations. Auto fuel changes with the seasons, due to temperaturechanges and attempts to avoid vapor lock type problems. These additivescan have a rather accelerated effect on foam. The EAA library has some articles on this issue. While I can notprovide you with the specific dates and titles, I would suggest that youcontact them and get the reprints on the subject.Cheers,Warrendel magsam wrote:> where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks I> asked about the other day. explosion proofing the tank> with foam. using a molding plastic crushable car> racing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? is> everybody on vacation?>> =====>________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Del, Have worked around NASCAR pits a time or two, so will pass alongsome opinions on your questions. All of your suggestions will work....however....unless you have someparts room contacts, you are talking about some serious high dollaritems. While these are crash proof products are great, compare the rollcage on a today's NASCAR to your Piet. My point being, that while thetank might survive, if you hit hard enough to need the explosion prooftank, you probably won't be around to enjoy your good judgment. Foam fillers have had some fine grain deterioration problems overtime, and have ended up causing fuel line clogging. The time framedepends on the type of foam and the type of fuel. Aviation fuel ispretty consistent at all times of the year and at all geographicallocations. Auto fuel changes with the seasons, due to temperaturechanges and attempts to avoid vapor lock type problems. These additivescan have a rather accelerated effect on foam. The EAA library has some articles on this issue. While I can notprovide you with the specific dates and titles, I would suggest that youcontact them and get the reprints on the subject.Cheers,Warrendel magsam wrote:> where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks I> asked about the other day. explosion proofing the tank> with foam. using a molding plastic crushable car> racing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? is> everybody on vacation?>> =====>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: gas tanks
Original Posted By: del magsam
We all just went through a two week, intense fuel tank discussion justbefore you joined the list. We're all fuel tanked up to the ears. Checkthe arcives.Lauren mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) withDate: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT)________________________________________________________________________________
We all just went through a two week, intense fuel tank discussion justbefore you joined the list. We're all fuel tanked up to the ears. Checkthe arcives.Lauren mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) withDate: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: gas tanks
Original Posted By: LaurenMWilliams(at)webtv.net (Lauren Williams)
thanks warren.I guess I was under the impression that many peoplesurvive the crash, but not the fire. As was the casein our town 2 yrs ago when an instructer and hisstudent flew into a house. they were crawling awaywhen they were ingulfed in flames. the prices for thetank are $311. the foam is $50 if you want to buildyour own tank. the weight for their tank is 18 lbs for12 gallon tank. there was a very good article in thelast issue of kitplane about safety features inhomebuilts.--- Warren Shoun wrote:> Hi Del,> Have worked around NASCAR pits a time or two, so> will pass along> some opinions on your questions.> All of your suggestions will> work....however....unless you have some> parts room contacts, you are talking about some> serious high dollar> items.> While these are crash proof products are great,> compare the roll> cage on a today's NASCAR to your Piet. My point> being, that while the> tank might survive, if you hit hard enough to need> the explosion proof> tank, you probably won't be around to enjoy your> good judgment.> Foam fillers have had some fine grain> deterioration problems over> time, and have ended up causing fuel line clogging. > The time frame> depends on the type of foam and the type of fuel. > Aviation fuel is> pretty consistent at all times of the year and at> all geographical> locations. Auto fuel changes with the seasons, due> to temperature> changes and attempts to avoid vapor lock type> problems. These additives> can have a rather accelerated effect on foam.> The EAA library has some articles on this issue.> While I can not> provide you with the specific dates and titles, I> would suggest that you> contact them and get the reprints on the subject.> Cheers,> Warren> > del magsam wrote:> > > where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks> I> > asked about the other day. explosion proofing the> tank> > with foam. using a molding plastic crushable car> > racing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? is> > everybody on vacation?> >> > =====> >> > =====________________________________________________________________________________
thanks warren.I guess I was under the impression that many peoplesurvive the crash, but not the fire. As was the casein our town 2 yrs ago when an instructer and hisstudent flew into a house. they were crawling awaywhen they were ingulfed in flames. the prices for thetank are $311. the foam is $50 if you want to buildyour own tank. the weight for their tank is 18 lbs for12 gallon tank. there was a very good article in thelast issue of kitplane about safety features inhomebuilts.--- Warren Shoun wrote:> Hi Del,> Have worked around NASCAR pits a time or two, so> will pass along> some opinions on your questions.> All of your suggestions will> work....however....unless you have some> parts room contacts, you are talking about some> serious high dollar> items.> While these are crash proof products are great,> compare the roll> cage on a today's NASCAR to your Piet. My point> being, that while the> tank might survive, if you hit hard enough to need> the explosion proof> tank, you probably won't be around to enjoy your> good judgment.> Foam fillers have had some fine grain> deterioration problems over> time, and have ended up causing fuel line clogging. > The time frame> depends on the type of foam and the type of fuel. > Aviation fuel is> pretty consistent at all times of the year and at> all geographical> locations. Auto fuel changes with the seasons, due> to temperature> changes and attempts to avoid vapor lock type> problems. These additives> can have a rather accelerated effect on foam.> The EAA library has some articles on this issue.> While I can not> provide you with the specific dates and titles, I> would suggest that you> contact them and get the reprints on the subject.> Cheers,> Warren> > del magsam wrote:> > > where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks> I> > asked about the other day. explosion proofing the> tank> > with foam. using a molding plastic crushable car> > racing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? is> > everybody on vacation?> >> > =====> >> > =====________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: gas tanks
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Hi Del, I think that you are on the right track regarding surviving thecrash, only to have a fuel spill start a fire. I am certainly no postcrash expert, however, the fuel line, connectors and how the tank ismounted is at least as important to fuel spills as an actual tankrupture. And of course, having sense enough to turn the master switchoff just prior to touch down/impact. Of the few crash fires that I personally have seen, the tankssurvived, but the fuel lines and/or connectors broke away and was thesource of the fuel which fed the initial fire. The most recent was aCitabria, with a departure stall at the end of the runway. The crashwas clearly survivable, and yet when the right wing was pulled away fromthe fuselage on impact, the fuel line spurted into the cockpit, with allof the electricals still on, as the master had not been turned off. Thetank was not the problem. The pilot survived, but not in a conditionthat I would want to look forward to. This was also completelyfoolish.....high speed, ground hugging departure, with a swift pull upat the end of the runway, into a stall, at something less than 400 feetagl.Warren.________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Del, I think that you are on the right track regarding surviving thecrash, only to have a fuel spill start a fire. I am certainly no postcrash expert, however, the fuel line, connectors and how the tank ismounted is at least as important to fuel spills as an actual tankrupture. And of course, having sense enough to turn the master switchoff just prior to touch down/impact. Of the few crash fires that I personally have seen, the tankssurvived, but the fuel lines and/or connectors broke away and was thesource of the fuel which fed the initial fire. The most recent was aCitabria, with a departure stall at the end of the runway. The crashwas clearly survivable, and yet when the right wing was pulled away fromthe fuselage on impact, the fuel line spurted into the cockpit, with allof the electricals still on, as the master had not been turned off. Thetank was not the problem. The pilot survived, but not in a conditionthat I would want to look forward to. This was also completelyfoolish.....high speed, ground hugging departure, with a swift pull upat the end of the runway, into a stall, at something less than 400 feetagl.Warren.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gary Leopold
writes:>>where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks I>asked about the other day. explosion proofing the tank>with foam. using a molding plastic crushable car>racing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? is>everybody on vacation?>>=====>>DelYou're building a 1930's airplane made out of wood and covered withfabric for crying out loud, so drop all the high-tech "gee whiz" stuffand enjoy the ambiance, my friend.Go to your local heating/air-conditioning shop, buy a sheet of 28 gagalvanized & a big soldering iron and build yourself a tank. It'll costabout $50 if you get a brand new filler neck and cap from A/C Spruce andit'll be the neatest thing you've ever done. I'd be happy to lead youthrough it step-by-step if you'd like (there aren't that many steps!) andshare what I've learned from my own experience. Cheers, Larry________________________________________________________________________________
writes:>>where did everybody go? what about the fuel tanks I>asked about the other day. explosion proofing the tank>with foam. using a molding plastic crushable car>racing fuel cell. anybody? is this list dead? is>everybody on vacation?>>=====>>DelYou're building a 1930's airplane made out of wood and covered withfabric for crying out loud, so drop all the high-tech "gee whiz" stuffand enjoy the ambiance, my friend.Go to your local heating/air-conditioning shop, buy a sheet of 28 gagalvanized & a big soldering iron and build yourself a tank. It'll costabout $50 if you get a brand new filler neck and cap from A/C Spruce andit'll be the neatest thing you've ever done. I'd be happy to lead youthrough it step-by-step if you'd like (there aren't that many steps!) andshare what I've learned from my own experience. Cheers, Larry________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: gas tanks
Original Posted By:> Warren Shoun [SMTP:wbnb(at)earthlink.net]
Master switch? We don't need no stinking master switch!> -----Original Message-----
Master switch? We don't need no stinking master switch!> -----Original Message-----