Original Posted By: "Howard Wilkinson"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...Dralle)>>>>-------------->>>>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcometo>>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>>list.>>>>To Join send a blank message to:Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpolbuilding.>>>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability tograft>>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom ofeach>>message.>>-------------->>>Howard and Pietenpol Listers,>>Some of these comments are simply not true.>>1) There *IS* a Digest Version of each List. The Day's messages are>stripped of all the extra header and encoding data and then sent as>one message. You may subscribe to the Digest Version of the List at>the following URL:>> http://www.matronics.com/subscribe>>The Digest Version is described in detail in the FAQ that was sent>out. There are currently 23 people subscribed to the DigestVersion ->about 10% of the List - so it would seem that at least a few people>read the FAQ...>>2) I don't understand what you mean by "nor does it have the ability>to graft the list name to the subject line", since every message has>"Pietenpol-List:" prepended to the Subject line?>>3) What do you mean by "Junk mail", exactly? I have posted, I think,>2 messages regarding the yearly Fund Raiser. It is somewhat>unfortunate that the List came on board just now, since it would seem>to some like a commercial hassle, but the truth is, the other 11>months of the year, I make no mention of supporting the List. All of>the other posts I have made have been informational in nature. I>assumed that everyone wanted to know what was going on with the List>Operation. Is this incorrect?>>I also find it interesting that you seem to find that receiving Virus>ridden enclosures and mounds of email header and encoding data>alright, but consider receiving status information regarding the List>"Junk mail"... Hum...>>4) Have you tried the List Search Engine? Or the Archive Browser?>These capabilities of these services unique to this site and Ibelieve>are of a caliber not available elsewhere.>>5) I do have certain restrictive policies regarding message encoding>and the posting of enclosures. But haven't you noticed how much>cleaner and easier to read the text is now? If you've checked the>Archives, you'll note that you can actually *find* the discussiontext>in it now, and you don't have to wade through 300 lines of MIME and>HTML encoding to find it. Also, the Pietenpol Archive is now 11Mb>down from 25Mb. I spent literally a *whole weekend* stripping outthe>enclosure data, MIME encoding, and HTML duplicates to drop the>Archive's size in this manner. More importantly, I didn't remove a>SINGLE line of content!! I can't see how anyone can argue with these>results...>>I am very saddened that everyone is so dissatisfied with my List>service. Ironically, I work very hard at maintaining it and spend>many many hours each week trying to make it the best experience Ican.>But, it would seem I've failed. I am truly sorry.>>Matt Dralle>Pietenpol List Admin.>>>-->>Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551>925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email>http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: fishin
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...>>>>-------------->>>>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcome to>>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>>list.>>>>To Join send a blank message to: Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpol building.>>>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability to graft>>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom of each>>message.>>-------------->>>Howard and Pietenpol Listers,>>Some of these comments are simply not true.>>1) There *IS* a Digest Version of each List. The Day's messages are>stripped of all the extra header and encoding data and then sent as>one message. You may subscribe to the Digest Version of the List at>the following URL:>> http://www.matronics.com/subscribe>>The Digest Version is described in detail in the FAQ that was sent>out. There are currently 23 people subscribed to the Digest Version ->about 10% of the List - so it would seem that at least a few people>read the FAQ...>>2) I don't understand what you mean by "nor does it have the ability>to graft the list name to the subject line", since every message has>"Pietenpol-List:" prepended to the Subject line?>>3) What do you mean by "Junk mail", exactly? I have posted, I think,>2 messages regarding the yearly Fund Raiser. It is somewhat>unfortunate that the List came on board just now, since it would seem>to some like a commercial hassle, but the truth is, the other 11>months of the year, I make no mention of supporting the List. All of>the other posts I have made have been informational in nature. I>assumed that everyone wanted to know what was going on with the List>Operation. Is this incorrect?>>I also find it interesting that you seem to find that receiving Virus>ridden enclosures and mounds of email header and encoding data>alright, but consider receiving status information regarding the List>"Junk mail"... Hum...>>4) Have you tried the List Search Engine? Or the Archive Browser?>These capabilities of these services unique to this site and I believe>are of a caliber not available elsewhere.>>5) I do have certain restrictive policies regarding message encoding>and the posting of enclosures. But haven't you noticed how much>cleaner and easier to read the text is now? If you've checked the>Archives, you'll note that you can actually *find* the discussion text>in it now, and you don't have to wade through 300 lines of MIME and>HTML encoding to find it. Also, the Pietenpol Archive is now 11Mb>down from 25Mb. I spent literally a *whole weekend* stripping out the>enclosure data, MIME encoding, and HTML duplicates to drop the>Archive's size in this manner. More importantly, I didn't remove a>SINGLE line of content!! I can't see how anyone can argue with these>results...>>I am very saddened that everyone is so dissatisfied with my List>service. Ironically, I work very hard at maintaining it and spend>many many hours each week trying to make it the best experience I can.>But, it would seem I've failed. I am truly sorry.>>Matt Dralle>Pietenpol List Admin.>>>-->>Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551>925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email>http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:35:58 -0600
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...>>>>-------------->>>>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcome to>>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>>list.>>>>To Join send a blank message to: Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpol building.>>>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability to graft>>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom of each>>message.>>-------------->>>Howard and Pietenpol Listers,>>Some of these comments are simply not true.>>1) There *IS* a Digest Version of each List. The Day's messages are>stripped of all the extra header and encoding data and then sent as>one message. You may subscribe to the Digest Version of the List at>the following URL:>> http://www.matronics.com/subscribe>>The Digest Version is described in detail in the FAQ that was sent>out. There are currently 23 people subscribed to the Digest Version ->about 10% of the List - so it would seem that at least a few people>read the FAQ...>>2) I don't understand what you mean by "nor does it have the ability>to graft the list name to the subject line", since every message has>"Pietenpol-List:" prepended to the Subject line?>>3) What do you mean by "Junk mail", exactly? I have posted, I think,>2 messages regarding the yearly Fund Raiser. It is somewhat>unfortunate that the List came on board just now, since it would seem>to some like a commercial hassle, but the truth is, the other 11>months of the year, I make no mention of supporting the List. All of>the other posts I have made have been informational in nature. I>assumed that everyone wanted to know what was going on with the List>Operation. Is this incorrect?>>I also find it interesting that you seem to find that receiving Virus>ridden enclosures and mounds of email header and encoding data>alright, but consider receiving status information regarding the List>"Junk mail"... Hum...>>4) Have you tried the List Search Engine? Or the Archive Browser?>These capabilities of these services unique to this site and I believe>are of a caliber not available elsewhere.>>5) I do have certain restrictive policies regarding message encoding>and the posting of enclosures. But haven't you noticed how much>cleaner and easier to read the text is now? If you've checked the>Archives, you'll note that you can actually *find* the discussion text>in it now, and you don't have to wade through 300 lines of MIME and>HTML encoding to find it. Also, the Pietenpol Archive is now 11Mb>down from 25Mb. I spent literally a *whole weekend* stripping out the>enclosure data, MIME encoding, and HTML duplicates to drop the>Archive's size in this manner. More importantly, I didn't remove a>SINGLE line of content!! I can't see how anyone can argue with these>results...>>I am very saddened that everyone is so dissatisfied with my List>service. Ironically, I work very hard at maintaining it and spend>many many hours each week trying to make it the best experience I can.>But, it would seem I've failed. I am truly sorry.>>Matt Dralle>Pietenpol List Admin.>>>-->>Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551>925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email>http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:35:58 -0600
Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: Petri David S CDR
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...>-------------->>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcome to>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>list.>>To Join send a blank message to: Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpol building.>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability to graft>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom of each>message.>--------------Howard and Pietenpol Listers,Some of these comments are simply not true. 1) There *IS* a Digest Version of each List. The Day's messages are stripped of all the extra header and encoding data and then sent as one message. You may subscribe to the Digest Version of the List at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/subscribeThe Digest Version is described in detail in the FAQ that was sentout. There are currently 23 people subscribed to the Digest Version -about 10% of the List - so it would seem that at least a few peopleread the FAQ...2) I don't understand what you mean by "nor does it have the abilityto graft the list name to the subject line", since every message has"Pietenpol-List:" prepended to the Subject line?3) What do you mean by "Junk mail", exactly? I have posted, I think,2 messages regarding the yearly Fund Raiser. It is somewhatunfortunate that the List came on board just now, since it would seemto some like a commercial hassle, but the truth is, the other 11months of the year, I make no mention of supporting the List. All ofthe other posts I have made have been informational in nature. Iassumed that everyone wanted to know what was going on with the ListOperation. Is this incorrect?I also find it interesting that you seem to find that receiving Virusridden enclosures and mounds of email header and encoding dataalright, but consider receiving status information regarding the List"Junk mail"... Hum...4) Have you tried the List Search Engine? Or the Archive Browser?These capabilities of these services unique to this site and I believe are of a caliber not available elsewhere.5) I do have certain restrictive policies regarding message encodingand the posting of enclosures. But haven't you noticed how muchcleaner and easier to read the text is now? If you've checked theArchives, you'll note that you can actually *find* the discussion textin it now, and you don't have to wade through 300 lines of MIME andHTML encoding to find it. Also, the Pietenpol Archive is now 11Mbdown from 25Mb. I spent literally a *whole weekend* stripping out theenclosure data, MIME encoding, and HTML duplicates to drop theArchive's size in this manner. More importantly, I didn't remove aSINGLE line of content!! I can't see how anyone can argue with theseresults... I am very saddened that everyone is so dissatisfied with my Listservice. Ironically, I work very hard at maintaining it and spendmany many hours each week trying to make it the best experience I can.But, it would seem I've failed. I am truly sorry. Matt Dralle Pietenpol List Admin.-- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Emailhttp://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...>-------------->>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcome to>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>list.>>To Join send a blank message to: Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpol building.>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability to graft>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom of each>message.>--------------Howard and Pietenpol Listers,Some of these comments are simply not true. 1) There *IS* a Digest Version of each List. The Day's messages are stripped of all the extra header and encoding data and then sent as one message. You may subscribe to the Digest Version of the List at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/subscribeThe Digest Version is described in detail in the FAQ that was sentout. There are currently 23 people subscribed to the Digest Version -about 10% of the List - so it would seem that at least a few peopleread the FAQ...2) I don't understand what you mean by "nor does it have the abilityto graft the list name to the subject line", since every message has"Pietenpol-List:" prepended to the Subject line?3) What do you mean by "Junk mail", exactly? I have posted, I think,2 messages regarding the yearly Fund Raiser. It is somewhatunfortunate that the List came on board just now, since it would seemto some like a commercial hassle, but the truth is, the other 11months of the year, I make no mention of supporting the List. All ofthe other posts I have made have been informational in nature. Iassumed that everyone wanted to know what was going on with the ListOperation. Is this incorrect?I also find it interesting that you seem to find that receiving Virusridden enclosures and mounds of email header and encoding dataalright, but consider receiving status information regarding the List"Junk mail"... Hum...4) Have you tried the List Search Engine? Or the Archive Browser?These capabilities of these services unique to this site and I believe are of a caliber not available elsewhere.5) I do have certain restrictive policies regarding message encodingand the posting of enclosures. But haven't you noticed how muchcleaner and easier to read the text is now? If you've checked theArchives, you'll note that you can actually *find* the discussion textin it now, and you don't have to wade through 300 lines of MIME andHTML encoding to find it. Also, the Pietenpol Archive is now 11Mbdown from 25Mb. I spent literally a *whole weekend* stripping out theenclosure data, MIME encoding, and HTML duplicates to drop theArchive's size in this manner. More importantly, I didn't remove aSINGLE line of content!! I can't see how anyone can argue with theseresults... I am very saddened that everyone is so dissatisfied with my Listservice. Ironically, I work very hard at maintaining it and spendmany many hours each week trying to make it the best experience I can.But, it would seem I've failed. I am truly sorry. Matt Dralle Pietenpol List Admin.-- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Emailhttp://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Howard,Considering this is a free mailing list, I feel your comments are out ofline. I've subscribed to several of Matt's lists and have enjoyed themtremendously. I'm not barraged with fancy graphics and ads like OneList.As far as I'm concerned, if Matt wants to put an occasional ad on the listthat's okay with me. Keep in mind that this list is far from cost-free forMatt... in time or money. He certainly does not deserve your condemnation.Sorry to see you go.>>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcome to>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>list.>>To Join send a blank message to: Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpol building.>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability to graft>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom of each>message.________________________________________________________________________________
Howard,Considering this is a free mailing list, I feel your comments are out ofline. I've subscribed to several of Matt's lists and have enjoyed themtremendously. I'm not barraged with fancy graphics and ads like OneList.As far as I'm concerned, if Matt wants to put an occasional ad on the listthat's okay with me. Keep in mind that this list is far from cost-free forMatt... in time or money. He certainly does not deserve your condemnation.Sorry to see you go.>>The IHA now has a Pietenpol Builders mailing list. You are welcome to>join the list.... IHA membership is not required as this is a public>list.>>To Join send a blank message to: Piet_Builder-subscribe(at)listbot.com>>This new list is open to all who are interested in Pietenpol building.>>I will be unsubscribing from this current list in a few days.... as>I'm tired of receiving junk mail from the list host. The new list>does not have a digest version, nor does it have the ability to graft>the list name to the subject line. Otherwise the listbot lists>function very well. Unsubscribe info is listed at the bottom of each>message.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: "Mike Cunningham"
Matt,Just a point of clarification... I think Howard W. was saying that the listbot list version howard has created doesn't have digest or the headergrafting. Everyone else, I too am disapointed that there are those that don't seem satisfied withthe new list. I know that Matt has spent many hours working on making thislist more functional and more useful. There are changes yes, but good onesI think. Keep up the good work Matt. I hope the rest of the group sees thevalue in having a single point of discussion on the net for the Piet.Best Regard to all,Steve e.________________________________________________________________________________
Matt,Just a point of clarification... I think Howard W. was saying that the listbot list version howard has created doesn't have digest or the headergrafting. Everyone else, I too am disapointed that there are those that don't seem satisfied withthe new list. I know that Matt has spent many hours working on making thislist more functional and more useful. There are changes yes, but good onesI think. Keep up the good work Matt. I hope the rest of the group sees thevalue in having a single point of discussion on the net for the Piet.Best Regard to all,Steve e.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Matt, I am not even a Piet builder and I still like this list. Lots of goodinfo, little to no junk to deal with.Good folks too. Keep up the good work!!-----Original Message-----
Matt, I am not even a Piet builder and I still like this list. Lots of goodinfo, little to no junk to deal with.Good folks too. Keep up the good work!!-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing const. knots to it
Original Posted By:> fishin [SMTP:fishin(at)wwa.com]
HI Joe,That's what I did on mine. Jack Phillips> -----Original Message-----
HI Joe,That's what I did on mine. Jack Phillips> -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: Bradley & Lorraine James
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...I don't like to bite the hand that feeds me. Steve put a lot ofeffort into this list and now we have someone else willing tosupport our need to communicate regularly. I am veryappreciative of the effort and time that has been and is now putinto making this list work. If you have a problem with it, howabout making a private "suggestion" to the individual making theeffort to support our group. My thanks are to Matt Dralle fortaking over this effort.Mike BellColumbia, SC________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:23:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...I don't like to bite the hand that feeds me. Steve put a lot ofeffort into this list and now we have someone else willing tosupport our need to communicate regularly. I am veryappreciative of the effort and time that has been and is now putinto making this list work. If you have a problem with it, howabout making a private "suggestion" to the individual making theeffort to support our group. My thanks are to Matt Dralle fortaking over this effort.Mike BellColumbia, SC________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:23:02 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dissatisfied Members [PLEASE READ]...
Original Posted By: "Sylph"
I too am very happy not to get Mime or HTML or be forced to wait for 1 Megattachment downloads. It was getting to be a bit much for me on the oldlist and I was considering dropping the group.I think it worth noting it was about a year ago (I guess) that Steve made ita policy that people not attach things to their emails but post them as Davenotes (following). People were complaining about the long downloads. Hewas enforcing it for a while but some either weren't around then or haveforgotten. The normally accepted way of handling these things on most listsis just as it is on this one now. Plain text and no attachments. Jim>>Matt,>>Not everyone is dissatisfied. I for one am very happy to>not get HTML or MIME or photo attachements or any other >attachment for that matter. There is a place to put >any item that you would send as an attachment. It is>http://www.aircamper.org. Richard provides web space for>just that purpose.>>Put your attachment on the web site and send a note about>it to the list. This method also has the advantage of the>item being there for the person that joins the list the>day after you send your attachment and never finds it.>>Steve provided a great service. It is time to move on. If>you ever run a list for a long period of time you will>understand what a pain it can be.>>Dave>>________________________________________________________________________________
I too am very happy not to get Mime or HTML or be forced to wait for 1 Megattachment downloads. It was getting to be a bit much for me on the oldlist and I was considering dropping the group.I think it worth noting it was about a year ago (I guess) that Steve made ita policy that people not attach things to their emails but post them as Davenotes (following). People were complaining about the long downloads. Hewas enforcing it for a while but some either weren't around then or haveforgotten. The normally accepted way of handling these things on most listsis just as it is on this one now. Plain text and no attachments. Jim>>Matt,>>Not everyone is dissatisfied. I for one am very happy to>not get HTML or MIME or photo attachements or any other >attachment for that matter. There is a place to put >any item that you would send as an attachment. It is>http://www.aircamper.org. Richard provides web space for>just that purpose.>>Put your attachment on the web site and send a note about>it to the list. This method also has the advantage of the>item being there for the person that joins the list the>day after you send your attachment and never finds it.>>Steve provided a great service. It is time to move on. If>you ever run a list for a long period of time you will>understand what a pain it can be.>>Dave>>________________________________________________________________________________