Original Posted By: COZYPILOT(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges>>Gary,> Bravo! That is a perfect example of what a site like this is for. In>this case , you can't just line up the hinge edges because of variations in>the hinges. Must have had your thinking cap on.>walt evans>-----Original Message----->From: Gary Meadows >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:23 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges>>>>>>>Gang>>>> Here's a for-what-it's worth tip that I stumbled upon after drilling the>>holes for my rudder hinges, Maybe some of you've heard this before, but I>>bet a lot of newbies like me haven't.>>>> I had just completed drilling out the three sets of holes in my rudder>>main beam for my Vi Kapler hinges and wanted to see how good a job I had>>done of measuring and spotting my holes. I got my screws, and just used>>them to hold the hinge halves in place, (pre-mortising), so that I could>>boresight through them to see how they looked. I had been very concerned>>about being able to install all three hinges without them binding due to>>inaccurate placement. They looked pretty good but then a simple solution>>occurred to me:>>>> If you took a metal rod the same diameter as the clevis pins, and about>3'>>long or so, then slid the hinges along that you could get all three hinges>>placed to where all their hinge axes were perfectly aligned. Just measure>>the top and bottom of the rod laterally, and position each hinge>vertically,>>and you could get easy, no-bind hinge placement!>>>> Now that I figured that out, I'll actually try it on my elevator hinges.>>>>Gary Meadows>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges>>Gang>> Here's a for-what-it's worth tip that I stumbled upon after drilling the>holes for my rudder hinges, Maybe some of you've heard this before, but I>bet a lot of newbies like me haven't.>> I had just completed drilling out the three sets of holes in my rudder>main beam for my Vi Kapler hinges and wanted to see how good a job I had>done of measuring and spotting my holes. I got my screws, and just used>them to hold the hinge halves in place, (pre-mortising), so that I could>boresight through them to see how they looked. I had been very concerned>about being able to install all three hinges without them binding due to>inaccurate placement. They looked pretty good but then a simple solution>occurred to me:>> If you took a metal rod the same diameter as the clevis pins, and about3'>long or so, then slid the hinges along that you could get all three hinges>placed to where all their hinge axes were perfectly aligned. Just measure>the top and bottom of the rod laterally, and position each hingevertically,>and you could get easy, no-bind hinge placement!>> Now that I figured that out, I'll actually try it on my elevator hinges.>>Gary Meadows>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges>>Gang>> Here's a for-what-it's worth tip that I stumbled upon after drilling the>holes for my rudder hinges, Maybe some of you've heard this before, but I>bet a lot of newbies like me haven't.>> I had just completed drilling out the three sets of holes in my rudder>main beam for my Vi Kapler hinges and wanted to see how good a job I had>done of measuring and spotting my holes. I got my screws, and just used>them to hold the hinge halves in place, (pre-mortising), so that I could>boresight through them to see how they looked. I had been very concerned>about being able to install all three hinges without them binding due to>inaccurate placement. They looked pretty good but then a simple solution>occurred to me:>> If you took a metal rod the same diameter as the clevis pins, and about3'>long or so, then slid the hinges along that you could get all three hinges>placed to where all their hinge axes were perfectly aligned. Just measure>the top and bottom of the rod laterally, and position each hingevertically,>and you could get easy, no-bind hinge placement!>> Now that I figured that out, I'll actually try it on my elevator hinges.>>Gary Meadows>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Gang Here's a for-what-it's worth tip that I stumbled upon after drilling the holes for my rudder hinges, Maybe some of you've heard this before, but I bet a lot of newbies like me haven't. I had just completed drilling out the three sets of holes in my rudder main beam for my Vi Kapler hinges and wanted to see how good a job I had done of measuring and spotting my holes. I got my screws, and just used them to hold the hinge halves in place, (pre-mortising), so that I could boresight through them to see how they looked. I had been very concerned about being able to install all three hinges without them binding due to inaccurate placement. They looked pretty good but then a simple solution occurred to me: If you took a metal rod the same diameter as the clevis pins, and about 3' long or so, then slid the hinges along that you could get all three hinges placed to where all their hinge axes were perfectly aligned. Just measure the top and bottom of the rod laterally, and position each hinge vertically, and you could get easy, no-bind hinge placement! Now that I figured that out, I'll actually try it on my elevator hinges.Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Gang Here's a for-what-it's worth tip that I stumbled upon after drilling the holes for my rudder hinges, Maybe some of you've heard this before, but I bet a lot of newbies like me haven't. I had just completed drilling out the three sets of holes in my rudder main beam for my Vi Kapler hinges and wanted to see how good a job I had done of measuring and spotting my holes. I got my screws, and just used them to hold the hinge halves in place, (pre-mortising), so that I could boresight through them to see how they looked. I had been very concerned about being able to install all three hinges without them binding due to inaccurate placement. They looked pretty good but then a simple solution occurred to me: If you took a metal rod the same diameter as the clevis pins, and about 3' long or so, then slid the hinges along that you could get all three hinges placed to where all their hinge axes were perfectly aligned. Just measure the top and bottom of the rod laterally, and position each hinge vertically, and you could get easy, no-bind hinge placement! Now that I figured that out, I'll actually try it on my elevator hinges.Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
Gary, Bravo! That is a perfect example of what a site like this is for. Inthis case , you can't just line up the hinge edges because of variations inthe hinges. Must have had your thinking cap on.walt evans-----Original Message-----
Gary, Bravo! That is a perfect example of what a site like this is for. Inthis case , you can't just line up the hinge edges because of variations inthe hinges. Must have had your thinking cap on.walt evans-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: walter evans
Neat simple solution Gary! I concur with Walter, this is why I'm still hereon this list. it helps.ThanksJohn Mc-----Original Message-----
Neat simple solution Gary! I concur with Walter, this is why I'm still hereon this list. it helps.ThanksJohn Mc-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck??
Original Posted By: "Tim Cunningham"
>>>Hello.>>I've a question. The rounded covering that covers your instrument panel.That is there a reason to need to be able to remove these things? I thinkthe area behind>the instrument panel(s) is accessable pretty easily by just removing the>panel. >>>Thanks, Bert>Make the cowling removable. There is a lot of stuff behind the panel thatyou may need ready access to in the future.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
>>>Hello.>>I've a question. The rounded covering that covers your instrument panel.That is there a reason to need to be able to remove these things? I thinkthe area behind>the instrument panel(s) is accessable pretty easily by just removing the>panel. >>>Thanks, Bert>Make the cowling removable. There is a lot of stuff behind the panel thatyou may need ready access to in the future.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck??
Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Bert, I used aluminum and screwed the sides to the longerons with #6 screws.I'll put some pictures on my site later. I would do it different afterseeing others. The leather wraped foam works good and looks good too. Fromthe front cockpit I gain access to the back of my instruments through ahinged door. Smart move. I changed a few instruments and had to drain myairspeed tube a couple of times after flying through rain. I was suprisedhow many times I needed access to the rear of my panel and I highlyrecommend fabricating something to allow access.Copinfo(at)home.comTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510> I've a question. The rounded covering that covers your instrument panel.I think the area behind the instrument panel(s) is accessable pretty easilyby just removing thepanel. I'll either screw my panels in or may even hinge the panels foraccess.>> Thanks, Bert________________________________________________________________________________
Bert, I used aluminum and screwed the sides to the longerons with #6 screws.I'll put some pictures on my site later. I would do it different afterseeing others. The leather wraped foam works good and looks good too. Fromthe front cockpit I gain access to the back of my instruments through ahinged door. Smart move. I changed a few instruments and had to drain myairspeed tube a couple of times after flying through rain. I was suprisedhow many times I needed access to the rear of my panel and I highlyrecommend fabricating something to allow access.Copinfo(at)home.comTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510> I've a question. The rounded covering that covers your instrument panel.I think the area behind the instrument panel(s) is accessable pretty easilyby just removing thepanel. I'll either screw my panels in or may even hinge the panels foraccess.>> Thanks, Bert________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Larry, Thanks for the heads-up, I have already drilled the holes but not routed-out for the hinges. I guess I could plug the holes with dowels, and redrill, or adapt the tail-post hinge mount location to accomodate my lower rudder hinge location. While I have you, I had posed a question a while back as to why my vert. stab. came out too short to match the rudder. Mike Cuy said he saw this, and made up for it with the shaped block on the vert stab top. Could this small (5/8") shortfall be to help make room for the covering on the vstab, hstab, and fuse. Thanks for the info!Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Larry, Thanks for the heads-up, I have already drilled the holes but not routed-out for the hinges. I guess I could plug the holes with dowels, and redrill, or adapt the tail-post hinge mount location to accomodate my lower rudder hinge location. While I have you, I had posed a question a while back as to why my vert. stab. came out too short to match the rudder. Mike Cuy said he saw this, and made up for it with the shaped block on the vert stab top. Could this small (5/8") shortfall be to help make room for the covering on the vstab, hstab, and fuse. Thanks for the info!Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: Lawrence V Williams
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing attach points.I am curious about the wing attach points/straps used on the Piets threepiece wing configuration. Is the piece used aprox 12" long and uses threebolts through the front/rear spar? Or is it a plate type of mount. Is thespar reenforced with 1/16th ply or what.SteveSteve W GN-1 builderIHA #6________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:14:43 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing attach points.I am curious about the wing attach points/straps used on the Piets threepiece wing configuration. Is the piece used aprox 12" long and uses threebolts through the front/rear spar? Or is it a plate type of mount. Is thespar reenforced with 1/16th ply or what.SteveSteve W GN-1 builderIHA #6________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:14:43 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lining-up rudder hinges
Original Posted By: del magsam
Larry, Thanks much for the info! I feel a little better about my building now! I'll just "make it all fit", heck this isn't rocket science after all, is it!Thanks againGary________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:20:16 -0800 (PST)
Larry, Thanks much for the info! I feel a little better about my building now! I'll just "make it all fit", heck this isn't rocket science after all, is it!Thanks againGary________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:20:16 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: serial no 20
Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serial no 20I'd love it if you could get and download a picture of no 20Henry Williams________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: serial no 20I'd love it if you could get and download a picture of no 20Henry Williams________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck??
Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck??Bert, I suppose that ply or aluminum is mostly a matter of preference. I used aluminum because I want the ability of getting to everything inside { such as the cabane fittings). I do have an access panel that screws in behind the fron pit for access to the pilot's instruments. As for the nomenclature it has always been my understanding that the cowling is what covers an engine compartment. the fairings are those flat or shaped aluminum gap covers at wing/fuselage, wing/center section mating areas and , on real fancy stuff, where landing gear, wing struts and tailfeathers meet the fuselage, wings or wheel pants and that the portion you speak of just forward of and between the cockpits is the coaming. Don ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck??Bert, I suppose that ply or aluminum is mostly a matter of preference. I used aluminum because I want the ability of getting to everything inside { such as the cabane fittings). I do have an access panel that screws in behind the fron pit for access to the pilot's instruments. As for the nomenclature it has always been my understanding that the cowling is what covers an engine compartment. the fairings are those flat or shaped aluminum gap covers at wing/fuselage, wing/center section mating areas and , on real fancy stuff, where landing gear, wing struts and tailfeathers meet the fuselage, wings or wheel pants and that the portion you speak of just forward of and between the cockpits is the coaming. Don ________________________________________________________________________________