Original Posted By: "Joe Krzes"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>Mike,> I was looking at some Ragwing plans and they suggest a third, pie shaped>piece, same length as the side trussing, glued and clamped in the pieshaped>void. Now finding that angle...>>Joe>>>>The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an>>angle>>and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.>>>>The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied>>together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts holes>>in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless>>absolutly>>neccisary).>>>>Anybody got a third idea??????>>>>Mike>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>The more money you throw at them,>>the faster they fly.>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>>Mike:>>I guess you're talking about the "mitre" cut you have to make to pull the>two sides together at the tail post?>>I ran into that and simplypulled the two sides together and c-clamped them>touching each other. I then laid a straight piece of wood on top of the>intersection and drew two parallell lines as cutting guides,continuing then>down the tailpost(s) that would give me two parallel flat surfaces that>would mate up with each other (on the inside of each fuselage "slab"). Put>away your electric tools, now. The next step was to GENTLY and slowly cut>down through the tailpost area and follow the guidelines you drew. Use a>nice sharp handsaw. Cutting both sides gave me a perfectly parallel>surface on each side that mated up just right. Maybe I was just lucky butI>did go REALLY slow and deliberate to follow the lines.>>Man I know my description is confusing.. heck I've confused myself!>T_88 fills really well and if necessary a little saw dust can be added into>it for filler.>Just be sure and follow the lines carefully, if you ever get off the line>while sawing down through there it will be hard to correct.>I think they show that cut that way so that it will result in a 1" wide>tailpost. Makes a neater transition to the rudder. Oh well good luck.>Bert>----- Original Message ----->From: "Mike Lund" >To: "ragwing" ; "piet aircamper">; "piet" ;>"5k" >Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:55 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>>>>> Now everybody who thought I was talking about anything other than my fuse>> sides now being vertical in the jig, get your mind out of the>> gutter!!!!!>>>> I have hit a "which is the best way" snag.>>>> The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an>angle>> and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.>>>> The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied>> together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but putsholes>> in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless>absolutly>> neccisary).>>>> Anybody got a third idea??????>>>> Mike>> Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>> The more money you throw at them,>> the faster they fly.>>>> IHA 110>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>>Mike:>>I guess you're talking about the "mitre" cut you have to make to pull the>two sides together at the tail post?>>I ran into that and simplypulled the two sides together and c-clamped them>touching each other. I then laid a straight piece of wood on top of the>intersection and drew two parallell lines as cutting guides,continuing then>down the tailpost(s) that would give me two parallel flat surfaces that>would mate up with each other (on the inside of each fuselage "slab"). Put>away your electric tools, now. The next step was to GENTLY and slowly cut>down through the tailpost area and follow the guidelines you drew. Use a>nice sharp handsaw. Cutting both sides gave me a perfectly parallel>surface on each side that mated up just right. Maybe I was just lucky butI>did go REALLY slow and deliberate to follow the lines.>>Man I know my description is confusing.. heck I've confused myself!>T_88 fills really well and if necessary a little saw dust can be added into>it for filler.>Just be sure and follow the lines carefully, if you ever get off the line>while sawing down through there it will be hard to correct.>I think they show that cut that way so that it will result in a 1" wide>tailpost. Makes a neater transition to the rudder. Oh well good luck.>Bert>----- Original Message ----->From: "Mike Lund" >To: "ragwing" ; "piet aircamper">; "piet" ;>"5k" >Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:55 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>>>>> Now everybody who thought I was talking about anything other than my fuse>> sides now being vertical in the jig, get your mind out of the>> gutter!!!!!>>>> I have hit a "which is the best way" snag.>>>> The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an>angle>> and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.>>>> The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied>> together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but putsholes>> in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless>absolutly>> neccisary).>>>> Anybody got a third idea??????>>>> Mike>> Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>> The more money you throw at them,>> the faster they fly.>>>> IHA 110>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Joe Krzes"
Now everybody who thought I was talking about anything other than my fusesides now being vertical in the jig, get your mind out of thegutter!!!!!I have hit a "which is the best way" snag.The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an angleand glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tiedtogether with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts holesin a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless absolutlyneccisary).Anybody got a third idea??????MikeAirplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.The more money you throw at them,the faster they fly.IHA 110________________________________________________________________________________
Now everybody who thought I was talking about anything other than my fusesides now being vertical in the jig, get your mind out of thegutter!!!!!I have hit a "which is the best way" snag.The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an angleand glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tiedtogether with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts holesin a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless absolutlyneccisary).Anybody got a third idea??????MikeAirplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.The more money you throw at them,the faster they fly.IHA 110________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips (EUS)"
Mike, I was looking at some Ragwing plans and they suggest a third, pie shaped piece, same length as the side trussing, glued and clamped in the pie shaped void. Now finding that angle...Joe>The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an >angle>and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.>>The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied>together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts holes>in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless >absolutly>neccisary).>>Anybody got a third idea??????>>Mike>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>The more money you throw at them,>the faster they fly.>>IHA 110>>________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, I was looking at some Ragwing plans and they suggest a third, pie shaped piece, same length as the side trussing, glued and clamped in the pie shaped void. Now finding that angle...Joe>The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an >angle>and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.>>The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied>together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts holes>in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless >absolutly>neccisary).>>Anybody got a third idea??????>>Mike>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>The more money you throw at them,>the faster they fly.>>IHA 110>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By:> Mike Lund [SMTP:crafters(at)elgin.net]
Hi Mike,Make it light. Particularly if you are planning on using anything otherthan the marvelous pile of ballast called a Model A. Piets are notoriouslytail-heavy, so an ounce saved at the tail post is equivalent to a poundsaved in the cockpit. Perhaps you can make a scarf joint sander like isshown in the EAA Wood aircraft construction techniques book to put thecorrect angle on the wood. Don't know, haven't gotten that far myself. Jack> -----Original Message-----
Hi Mike,Make it light. Particularly if you are planning on using anything otherthan the marvelous pile of ballast called a Model A. Piets are notoriouslytail-heavy, so an ounce saved at the tail post is equivalent to a poundsaved in the cockpit. Perhaps you can make a scarf joint sander like isshown in the EAA Wood aircraft construction techniques book to put thecorrect angle on the wood. Don't know, haven't gotten that far myself. Jack> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Joe Krzes
Thanks Joe...How stupid can I be????Get the angle +/- 0.25 degees (thats why the great god of manual draftingmade 18 " protractors;-) , its a gap filling glue, and the ply skin takesthe load anyway. this is just to hold it together while building.Perfect.THXMike-----Original Message-----
Thanks Joe...How stupid can I be????Get the angle +/- 0.25 degees (thats why the great god of manual draftingmade 18 " protractors;-) , its a gap filling glue, and the ply skin takesthe load anyway. this is just to hold it together while building.Perfect.THXMike-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Mike, Of course the thickness at the tail will be different than if you cut it down. Might want to run this by those that have. I have not yet been there, not yet done that, don't have a tshirt, but I'm working as fast as I can (when I'm not being anal about choice of wood) :)Joe>From: "Mike Lund" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:10:09 -0500>>>Thanks Joe...>>How stupid can I be????>>Get the angle +/- 0.25 degees (thats why the great god of manual drafting>made 18 " protractors;-) , its a gap filling glue, and the ply skin takes>the load anyway. this is just to hold it together while building.>>Perfect.>>THX>>Mike>-----Original Message----->From: Joe Krzes >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:58 PM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>> >> >Mike,> > I was looking at some Ragwing plans and they suggest a third, pie >shaped> >piece, same length as the side trussing, glued and clamped in the pie>shaped> >void. Now finding that angle...> >> >Joe> >> >> >>The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an> >>angle> >>and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.> >>> >>The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied> >>together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts >holes> >>in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless> >>absolutly> >>neccisary).> >>> >>Anybody got a third idea??????> >>> >>Mike> >>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.> >>The more money you throw at them,> >>the faster they fly.> >>> >>IHA 110> >>> >>> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, Of course the thickness at the tail will be different than if you cut it down. Might want to run this by those that have. I have not yet been there, not yet done that, don't have a tshirt, but I'm working as fast as I can (when I'm not being anal about choice of wood) :)Joe>From: "Mike Lund" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:10:09 -0500>>>Thanks Joe...>>How stupid can I be????>>Get the angle +/- 0.25 degees (thats why the great god of manual drafting>made 18 " protractors;-) , its a gap filling glue, and the ply skin takes>the load anyway. this is just to hold it together while building.>>Perfect.>>THX>>Mike>-----Original Message----->From: Joe Krzes >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:58 PM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>> >> >Mike,> > I was looking at some Ragwing plans and they suggest a third, pie >shaped> >piece, same length as the side trussing, glued and clamped in the pie>shaped> >void. Now finding that angle...> >> >Joe> >> >> >>The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an> >>angle> >>and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.> >>> >>The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied> >>together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts >holes> >>in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless> >>absolutly> >>neccisary).> >>> >>Anybody got a third idea??????> >>> >>Mike> >>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.> >>The more money you throw at them,> >>the faster they fly.> >>> >>IHA 110> >>> >>> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Mike:I guess you're talking about the "mitre" cut you have to make to pull thetwo sides together at the tail post?I ran into that and simplypulled the two sides together and c-clamped themtouching each other. I then laid a straight piece of wood on top of theintersection and drew two parallell lines as cutting guides,continuing thendown the tailpost(s) that would give me two parallel flat surfaces thatwould mate up with each other (on the inside of each fuselage "slab"). Putaway your electric tools, now. The next step was to GENTLY and slowly cutdown through the tailpost area and follow the guidelines you drew. Use anice sharp handsaw. Cutting both sides gave me a perfectly parallelsurface on each side that mated up just right. Maybe I was just lucky but Idid go REALLY slow and deliberate to follow the lines.Man I know my description is confusing.. heck I've confused myself!T_88 fills really well and if necessary a little saw dust can be added in toit for filler.Just be sure and follow the lines carefully, if you ever get off the linewhile sawing down through there it will be hard to correct.I think they show that cut that way so that it will result in a 1" widetailpost. Makes a neater transition to the rudder. Oh well good luck.Bert----- Original Message -----
Mike:I guess you're talking about the "mitre" cut you have to make to pull thetwo sides together at the tail post?I ran into that and simplypulled the two sides together and c-clamped themtouching each other. I then laid a straight piece of wood on top of theintersection and drew two parallell lines as cutting guides,continuing thendown the tailpost(s) that would give me two parallel flat surfaces thatwould mate up with each other (on the inside of each fuselage "slab"). Putaway your electric tools, now. The next step was to GENTLY and slowly cutdown through the tailpost area and follow the guidelines you drew. Use anice sharp handsaw. Cutting both sides gave me a perfectly parallelsurface on each side that mated up just right. Maybe I was just lucky but Idid go REALLY slow and deliberate to follow the lines.Man I know my description is confusing.. heck I've confused myself!T_88 fills really well and if necessary a little saw dust can be added in toit for filler.Just be sure and follow the lines carefully, if you ever get off the linewhile sawing down through there it will be hard to correct.I think they show that cut that way so that it will result in a 1" widetailpost. Makes a neater transition to the rudder. Oh well good luck.Bert----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Conoly
Bert,You did it exactly how I did it, execpt I couldn't describe it that well!The only other thing I did was to cut slightly inside the lines to figure onrough surfaces, and then " gently " clamp the tail posts together and runvery coarse sandpaper , back to back, in the slot , till the two sides cametogether perfectly. Just bring in the clamps so the paper starts to cut.Then when it stops cutting , tighten the clamps slightly, and cut again.then etc. etc. etc. When done, they'll fit perfectly.Sounds harder than it was. But a nice fit.walt-----Original Message-----
Bert,You did it exactly how I did it, execpt I couldn't describe it that well!The only other thing I did was to cut slightly inside the lines to figure onrough surfaces, and then " gently " clamp the tail posts together and runvery coarse sandpaper , back to back, in the slot , till the two sides cametogether perfectly. Just bring in the clamps so the paper starts to cut.Then when it stops cutting , tighten the clamps slightly, and cut again.then etc. etc. etc. When done, they'll fit perfectly.Sounds harder than it was. But a nice fit.walt-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Cool!I hadnt thought of the sandpaper. Great Idea!Thats what makes this fun. see yaBert----- Original Message -----
Cool!I hadnt thought of the sandpaper. Great Idea!Thats what makes this fun. see yaBert----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>> >> >> >Mike:> >> >I guess you're talking about the "mitre" cut you have to make to pull the> >two sides together at the tail post?> >> >I ran into that and simplypulled the two sides together and c-clampedthem> >touching each other. I then laid a straight piece of wood on top of the> >intersection and drew two parallell lines as cutting guides,continuingthen> >down the tailpost(s) that would give me two parallel flat surfaces that> >would mate up with each other (on the inside of each fuselage "slab").Put> >away your electric tools, now. The next step was to GENTLY and slowlycut> >down through the tailpost area and follow the guidelines you drew. Use a> >nice sharp handsaw. Cutting both sides gave me a perfectly parallel> >surface on each side that mated up just right. Maybe I was just luckybut> I> >did go REALLY slow and deliberate to follow the lines.> >> >Man I know my description is confusing.. heck I've confused myself!> >T_88 fills really well and if necessary a little saw dust can be added in> to> >it for filler.> >Just be sure and follow the lines carefully, if you ever get off theline> >while sawing down through there it will be hard to correct.> >I think they show that cut that way so that it will result in a 1" wide> >tailpost. Makes a neater transition to the rudder. Oh well good luck.> >Bert> >----- Original Message -----> >From: "Mike Lund" > >To: "ragwing" ; "piet aircamper"> >; "piet" ;> >"5k" > >Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:55 PM> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!> >> >> >>> >> Now everybody who thought I was talking about anything other than myfuse> >> sides now being vertical in the jig, get your mind out of the> >> gutter!!!!!> >>> >> I have hit a "which is the best way" snag.> >>> >> The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an> >angle> >> and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.> >>> >> The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied> >> together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts> holes> >> in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless> >absolutly> >> neccisary).> >>> >> Anybody got a third idea??????> >>> >> Mike> >> Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.> >> The more money you throw at them,> >> the faster they fly.> >>> >> IHA 110> >>> >>> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:46:22 -0600
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!>>> >> >> >Mike:> >> >I guess you're talking about the "mitre" cut you have to make to pull the> >two sides together at the tail post?> >> >I ran into that and simplypulled the two sides together and c-clampedthem> >touching each other. I then laid a straight piece of wood on top of the> >intersection and drew two parallell lines as cutting guides,continuingthen> >down the tailpost(s) that would give me two parallel flat surfaces that> >would mate up with each other (on the inside of each fuselage "slab").Put> >away your electric tools, now. The next step was to GENTLY and slowlycut> >down through the tailpost area and follow the guidelines you drew. Use a> >nice sharp handsaw. Cutting both sides gave me a perfectly parallel> >surface on each side that mated up just right. Maybe I was just luckybut> I> >did go REALLY slow and deliberate to follow the lines.> >> >Man I know my description is confusing.. heck I've confused myself!> >T_88 fills really well and if necessary a little saw dust can be added in> to> >it for filler.> >Just be sure and follow the lines carefully, if you ever get off theline> >while sawing down through there it will be hard to correct.> >I think they show that cut that way so that it will result in a 1" wide> >tailpost. Makes a neater transition to the rudder. Oh well good luck.> >Bert> >----- Original Message -----> >From: "Mike Lund" > >To: "ragwing" ; "piet aircamper"> >; "piet" ;> >"5k" > >Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:55 PM> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: I got it up !!!!!!!!> >> >> >>> >> Now everybody who thought I was talking about anything other than myfuse> >> sides now being vertical in the jig, get your mind out of the> >> gutter!!!!!> >>> >> I have hit a "which is the best way" snag.> >>> >> The original piet and the GN-1 have the side trussing sanded/cut at an> >angle> >> and glued at the tailpost. pain in the.... to do.> >>> >> The flybaby uses a "U" shaped steel brace, and leave them square--tied> >> together with bolts. Piet idea is lighter, 'baby is simpler but puts> holes> >> in a 3/4" structural member (not the best thing to be doing unless> >absolutly> >> neccisary).> >>> >> Anybody got a third idea??????> >>> >> Mike> >> Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.> >> The more money you throw at them,> >> the faster they fly.> >>> >> IHA 110> >>> >>> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:46:22 -0600