Original Posted By: "Todd Chisum"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.Mike Lund has brought up a good question in my mind about the originalPiet balance setup. I plan on using the EA-81 soob and now I don't knowif my idea of extending the engine mount 4" will work coz Mike tells methat the CG will be off so much that the plane will go into a slip andnot recover. I cant afford the A engine so that is why I chose the Soob.I thought the wing could be adjusted to get the CG back where it belongs.SteveSteve W - Pietenpol in construction!GN-1--<(next project).IHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
RE: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Question
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Lots of good info here on varnish, here is my two bits...I used the 50/50 mix to two coats and one coat of full strengthPolyurethane. Then just where the fabric would touch the structure, I rolledon two coats of Poly Fiber Epoxy. Save tons of money and still have afabric cement proof finish.Stevee.20 ribs done on my Tailwind.________________________________________________________________________________
Lots of good info here on varnish, here is my two bits...I used the 50/50 mix to two coats and one coat of full strengthPolyurethane. Then just where the fabric would touch the structure, I rolledon two coats of Poly Fiber Epoxy. Save tons of money and still have afabric cement proof finish.Stevee.20 ribs done on my Tailwind.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
>. I cant afford the A engine so that is why I chose the Soob.>I thought the wing could be adjusted to get the CG back where it belongs.>>SteveSteve:Bet dollars to doughnuts that wing adjustment will get your CG in range.How much does that soob setup weigh?Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
>. I cant afford the A engine so that is why I chose the Soob.>I thought the wing could be adjusted to get the CG back where it belongs.>>SteveSteve:Bet dollars to doughnuts that wing adjustment will get your CG in range.How much does that soob setup weigh?Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
Original Posted By: "Michael Hinchman"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.Mike:The soob weighs about 200 lbs.Steve writes:> > > > >> . I cant afford the A engine so that is why I chose the Soob.> >I thought the wing could be adjusted to get the CG back where it > belongs.> >> >Steve> > Steve:> > Bet dollars to doughnuts that wing adjustment will get your CG in > range.> How much does that soob setup weigh?> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > > > > Steve W - Pietenpol in construction!GN-1--<(next project).IHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.Mike:The soob weighs about 200 lbs.Steve writes:> > > > >> . I cant afford the A engine so that is why I chose the Soob.> >I thought the wing could be adjusted to get the CG back where it > belongs.> >> >Steve> > Steve:> > Bet dollars to doughnuts that wing adjustment will get your CG in > range.> How much does that soob setup weigh?> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > > > > Steve W - Pietenpol in construction!GN-1--<(next project).IHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
>>Mike:>The soob weighs about 200 lbs.>>SteveThat's light up front, but about 10-15 lbs heavier that a 65.Are you building the long or short fuselage? If the former, you will havemore of a problem that with the latter. In any case, I believe that the wingwill have to be moved back. I would also think about moving the enginefoward.Now, this aint gospel, but that's how I did my 0-200.( which is a heavierengine ).Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
>>Mike:>The soob weighs about 200 lbs.>>SteveThat's light up front, but about 10-15 lbs heavier that a 65.Are you building the long or short fuselage? If the former, you will havemore of a problem that with the latter. In any case, I believe that the wingwill have to be moved back. I would also think about moving the enginefoward.Now, this aint gospel, but that's how I did my 0-200.( which is a heavierengine ).Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I used mineral spirits....Stevee-----Original Message-----
I used mineral spirits....Stevee-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: Ford Model "A" engine For
Original Posted By: Papabear108(at)aol.com
Hello, I'm in Newport, OR, and have a Piet all framed up but no engine yet.I was very interested in your e-mail about having an engine. Is it stillavailable?Mac ZirgesDay 541-265-2345Eve. 541-867-7823 (till late)-----Original Message-----
Hello, I'm in Newport, OR, and have a Piet all framed up but no engine yet.I was very interested in your e-mail about having an engine. Is it stillavailable?Mac ZirgesDay 541-265-2345Eve. 541-867-7823 (till late)-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Question
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
>Dave and Connie wrote:> > Also, what do you use to keep the ribs from getting stuck> > to the jig?JoeC replied:>I guess one of the most popular methods is to lay out the rib blocks over a >sheet>of saran type wrap.I laid a new piece of Saran wrap on top of my jig for each rib. Cut slits in the Saran wrap in the places it pulls tight from putting the capstrips into the blocks. It worked fine for me. Found out today about a product called "Film Guard", sold by Carlisle Products at home centers that epoxy won't stick to, but I don't know if you put it down before the blocks, or after like the Saran wrap.Todd ChisumTulsa, OklahomaWag Aero Super Sport project________________________________________________________________________________
>Dave and Connie wrote:> > Also, what do you use to keep the ribs from getting stuck> > to the jig?JoeC replied:>I guess one of the most popular methods is to lay out the rib blocks over a >sheet>of saran type wrap.I laid a new piece of Saran wrap on top of my jig for each rib. Cut slits in the Saran wrap in the places it pulls tight from putting the capstrips into the blocks. It worked fine for me. Found out today about a product called "Film Guard", sold by Carlisle Products at home centers that epoxy won't stick to, but I don't know if you put it down before the blocks, or after like the Saran wrap.Todd ChisumTulsa, OklahomaWag Aero Super Sport project________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
Original Posted By: "Steven Dortch"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.Mike:I had figured out if I move my engine about four n a half inches it willtransfer around 50 lbs toward the front of th CG. Then I will balance itall by moving the wingeee.Steve writes:> > > > >> >Mike:> >The soob weighs about 200 lbs.> >> >Steve> > > That's light up front, but about 10-15 lbs heavier that a 65.> Are you building the long or short fuselage? If the former, you will > have> more of a problem that with the latter. In any case, I believe that > the wing> will have to be moved back. I would also think about moving the > engine> foward.> Now, this aint gospel, but that's how I did my 0-200.( which is a > heavier> engine ).> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > > > > Steve W - Pietenpol in construction!GN-1--<(next project).IHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.Mike:I had figured out if I move my engine about four n a half inches it willtransfer around 50 lbs toward the front of th CG. Then I will balance itall by moving the wingeee.Steve writes:> > > > >> >Mike:> >The soob weighs about 200 lbs.> >> >Steve> > > That's light up front, but about 10-15 lbs heavier that a 65.> Are you building the long or short fuselage? If the former, you will > have> more of a problem that with the latter. In any case, I believe that > the wing> will have to be moved back. I would also think about moving the > engine> foward.> Now, this aint gospel, but that's how I did my 0-200.( which is a > heavier> engine ).> > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )> > > > > Steve W - Pietenpol in construction!GN-1--<(next project).IHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Duane Woolsey, my building buddy, who had an EA-81 on a long fuse piet, hadhis wing sitting in the vertical position without any movement aft. Wecalculated his cg at 18inches from the LE. Perfect if you ask me. Iremember him saying that with redrive and radiator that he was about 250lbs. Nice combo, if you like to tinker. He had lots more power than myA-65. I'd guess close to 100hp.Steve E.-----Original Message-----
Duane Woolsey, my building buddy, who had an EA-81 on a long fuse piet, hadhis wing sitting in the vertical position without any movement aft. Wecalculated his cg at 18inches from the LE. Perfect if you ask me. Iremember him saying that with redrive and radiator that he was about 250lbs. Nice combo, if you like to tinker. He had lots more power than myA-65. I'd guess close to 100hp.Steve E.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: old piet balance.
Original Posted By: "mboynton(at)excite.com
>>Duane Woolsey, my building buddy, who had an EA-81 on a long fuse piet, had>his wing sitting in the vertical position without any movement aft. We>calculated his cg at 18inches from the LE. Perfect if you ask me. I>remember him saying that with redrive and radiator that he was about 250>lbs. Nice combo, if you like to tinker. He had lots more power than my>A-65. I'd guess close to 100hp.250 lbs up front, vertical cabanes will work. close to Ford weight up front.Mike B Piet N6867MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
>>Duane Woolsey, my building buddy, who had an EA-81 on a long fuse piet, had>his wing sitting in the vertical position without any movement aft. We>calculated his cg at 18inches from the LE. Perfect if you ask me. I>remember him saying that with redrive and radiator that he was about 250>lbs. Nice combo, if you like to tinker. He had lots more power than my>A-65. I'd guess close to 100hp.250 lbs up front, vertical cabanes will work. close to Ford weight up front.Mike B Piet N6867MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________