Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
Corvair piet owners, gotta question targeted at you. What size prop dimension and pitch) are you using and are you happy with what youreusing? I want to go with a cruise prop and have been kicking sizes aroundfrom the formulas in Eric Cluttons book.Thanks,CarlPlease visit my website atwww.megsinet.net/skycarl________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:50:35 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: skellytown flyer
Raymond,-I am using a 63 x 36 Tennessee.-2900 RPM static at near sea level-About 3100 at WOT in the air.-Most of time 2300 RPM cruising at 65 Mph.-I am happy with my prop, never tested another so improvement might be possible.-Climbing performance is a good 800 fpm with one onboard-Hans-NX15KVWaller, TX-----Original Message-----
Raymond,-I am using a 63 x 36 Tennessee.-2900 RPM static at near sea level-About 3100 at WOT in the air.-Most of time 2300 RPM cruising at 65 Mph.-I am happy with my prop, never tested another so improvement might be possible.-Climbing performance is a good 800 fpm with one onboard-Hans-NX15KVWaller, TX-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Thank you very much, everybody! That all makes perfect sense. Now I really can'twait for to see the UPS truck in my driveway!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Thank you very much, everybody! That all makes perfect sense. Now I really can'twait for to see the UPS truck in my driveway!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm wonderingwhat the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a 66X29" Tennesseeprop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to really need eithermore pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in flight.have to pullthe throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in level flight.take-offperformance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise indicating 70 mph or alittle more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4 flights into it I have a lotof testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so far. I like Fords but guess cranksnap'in could be addictive. if anybody has a better spare prop you want tosell or swap for something I might have to spare let me know.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm wonderingwhat the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a 66X29" Tennesseeprop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to really need eithermore pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in flight.have to pullthe throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in level flight.take-offperformance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise indicating 70 mph or alittle more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4 flights into it I have a lotof testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so far. I like Fords but guess cranksnap'in could be addictive. if anybody has a better spare prop you want tosell or swap for something I might have to spare let me know.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
That's what I thought. I got the project from D.J. with it on the engine but I'mafraid I need to get something with more bite soon. I don't know that I'll damagethe engine but it sure reduces the performance I'm thinking.I may checkon the corvair list and see if anyone has a good one to get rid of. I have a newset of 5" wheels and brakes that I removed from it that would sure be goodtrading material as well as a few other goodies. wish there was a swap list onthe site.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
That's what I thought. I got the project from D.J. with it on the engine but I'mafraid I need to get something with more bite soon. I don't know that I'll damagethe engine but it sure reduces the performance I'm thinking.I may checkon the corvair list and see if anyone has a good one to get rid of. I have a newset of 5" wheels and brakes that I removed from it that would sure be goodtrading material as well as a few other goodies. wish there was a swap list onthe site.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
heavyliftpilot wrote:> This might be off topic, but does the fuselage kit from ACS have full lengthailerons, or are they short to accomodate shipping, and need to be spliced together?I am going to assume that you meant to say "longerons", not "ailerons" when discussingthe fuselage package from Aircraft Spruce. The longerons are indeed onepiece, and are longer than required for the standard or long fuselage. Nothingin the entire wood package requires splicing in order to make a full lengthdimension.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
heavyliftpilot wrote:> This might be off topic, but does the fuselage kit from ACS have full lengthailerons, or are they short to accomodate shipping, and need to be spliced together?I am going to assume that you meant to say "longerons", not "ailerons" when discussingthe fuselage package from Aircraft Spruce. The longerons are indeed onepiece, and are longer than required for the standard or long fuselage. Nothingin the entire wood package requires splicing in order to make a full lengthdimension.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: skellytown flyer
Raymond,I am using a 63 x 36 Tennessee.2900 RPM static at near sea levelAbout 3100 at WOT in the air.Most of time 2300 RPM cruising at 65 Mph.I am happy with my prop, never tested another so improvement might be possible.Climbing performance is a good 800 fpm with one onboardHansNX15KVWaller, TX-----Original Message-----
Raymond,I am using a 63 x 36 Tennessee.2900 RPM static at near sea levelAbout 3100 at WOT in the air.Most of time 2300 RPM cruising at 65 Mph.I am happy with my prop, never tested another so improvement might be possible.Climbing performance is a good 800 fpm with one onboardHansNX15KVWaller, TX-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: off-topic- need help
Original Posted By: American Safety Consultants
Yes John,As soon as I get my act together I will plan an event at Lowensloe Airfield (G.Owen Lowensloe, prop.). Thanks to Wayne and Hans for the leads. This info will get me headed in the right direction. Leave it to the guys on this list for a wealth of knowledge, and fast too!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Yes John,As soon as I get my act together I will plan an event at Lowensloe Airfield (G.Owen Lowensloe, prop.). Thanks to Wayne and Hans for the leads. This info will get me headed in the right direction. Leave it to the guys on this list for a wealth of knowledge, and fast too!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: off-topic- need help
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dan, give me plenty of advanced warning and I might make the journey overthe mountains to visit, and to see my Mom. Of course, you need to get yourown Pietenpol there first.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Dan, give me plenty of advanced warning and I might make the journey overthe mountains to visit, and to see my Mom. Of course, you need to get yourown Pietenpol there first.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com
Thanks guys- I guess mine is just a little more climb pitch. I just got off thephone with the guy at Tennessee prop and he said most he has sold for corvairson Piet types have been 66X30's. I guess unless I find somebody out there inthe cyberworld with a good used one to swap or I find someone willing to giveme at least a little more than half what a new set of Grove 5" wheels and brakeslike I have here that I took off it cost. I'll carefully continue testingsome more and monitor the speed close.I hope to borrow an optical tach at somepoint and check this thing but I'm looking at readings from a Grand Rapids EISunit set up for the Corvair engine so I suspect it to be pretty accurate. Iwould think it counts the pulses digitally and is awful accurate.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks guys- I guess mine is just a little more climb pitch. I just got off thephone with the guy at Tennessee prop and he said most he has sold for corvairson Piet types have been 66X30's. I guess unless I find somebody out there inthe cyberworld with a good used one to swap or I find someone willing to giveme at least a little more than half what a new set of Grove 5" wheels and brakeslike I have here that I took off it cost. I'll carefully continue testingsome more and monitor the speed close.I hope to borrow an optical tach at somepoint and check this thing but I'm looking at readings from a Grand Rapids EISunit set up for the Corvair engine so I suspect it to be pretty accurate. Iwould think it counts the pulses digitally and is awful accurate.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Dave, I think that Heavyliftpilot lives in the same state as Aircraft Spruce wherehe intends to pick up his wood from. He'd be paying taxes on it whether heordered it by phone, online, or picking it up in person. He can at least savethe shipping charges if he picks it up personally, plus he can inspect thewood as he's loading it to make sure that it meets his specifications. I'd pickmine up too if I were in his position.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Dave, I think that Heavyliftpilot lives in the same state as Aircraft Spruce wherehe intends to pick up his wood from. He'd be paying taxes on it whether heordered it by phone, online, or picking it up in person. He can at least savethe shipping charges if he picks it up personally, plus he can inspect thewood as he's loading it to make sure that it meets his specifications. I'd pickmine up too if I were in his position.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Chet Peek asked me to provide this information to the list:1. I took the Model A and prop information directly from the 1932 MM FlyingManual which Bernie wrote, and from supporting conversations with familymembers. They mentioned that they first used a war surplus prop from aLawrance Model A-3 engine, (page 8) but it wouldn't even get the plane offthe ground. Everyone should buy that Flying Manual, EAA has them. In the 1920's people were afraid of high RPM because the Model T had nopressure oil feed and the A only had it to the mains. But I drove a Model A200 miles each way to college for 2 years, (page 18), always at 60-65 MPHand never burned out a bearing.I don't know the exact specs on my prop since it came with the engine andwith no other information, but with the twin ignition high compression headI expect to see 2000 at the top end. 2. About the elevators. Yes, I added an extras rib for two reasons.First, almost half the inner portion of the elevator surface wasunsupported. Second, the ribs did not line up with the horizontalstabilizer ribs. It looked bad, so for aesthetic reasons I added the riband put them in line with the elevator ribs. I've added a few things hereor there, but certainly not over 15 pounds to the whole structure, and sinceI weigh only 125 pounds and I have a 50+ HP Model A, I don't worry.Stan Peek (Chet's son)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Chet Peek asked me to provide this information to the list:1. I took the Model A and prop information directly from the 1932 MM FlyingManual which Bernie wrote, and from supporting conversations with familymembers. They mentioned that they first used a war surplus prop from aLawrance Model A-3 engine, (page 8) but it wouldn't even get the plane offthe ground. Everyone should buy that Flying Manual, EAA has them. In the 1920's people were afraid of high RPM because the Model T had nopressure oil feed and the A only had it to the mains. But I drove a Model A200 miles each way to college for 2 years, (page 18), always at 60-65 MPHand never burned out a bearing.I don't know the exact specs on my prop since it came with the engine andwith no other information, but with the twin ignition high compression headI expect to see 2000 at the top end. 2. About the elevators. Yes, I added an extras rib for two reasons.First, almost half the inner portion of the elevator surface wasunsupported. Second, the ribs did not line up with the horizontalstabilizer ribs. It looked bad, so for aesthetic reasons I added the riband put them in line with the elevator ribs. I've added a few things hereor there, but certainly not over 15 pounds to the whole structure, and sinceI weigh only 125 pounds and I have a 50+ HP Model A, I don't worry.Stan Peek (Chet's son)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair propsSkellflyer, Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars will sell you a rough prop. Sorry I don't know his number. Look in Barnstormers under wood props. Dave________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair propsSkellflyer, Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars will sell you a rough prop. Sorry I don't know his number. Look in Barnstormers under wood props. Dave________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: One-Seven-Whiskey-Romeo
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar, I've seen it advertised in various places for 6 months. I toowondered about Bills plans. I may call him and discuss. He is a greatengineer, pilot and gentleman. He gave me my first and only Piet ride.JackDSM -----Original Message-----
Oscar, I've seen it advertised in various places for 6 months. I toowondered about Bills plans. I may call him and discuss. He is a greatengineer, pilot and gentleman. He gave me my first and only Piet ride.JackDSM -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Raymond,This, from my notes at Brodhead '09:Randy Bush, 64/32Gary & Shad Bell, 66/30PF Beck, 64/34Kurt Shipman, 64/34Best of luck to you!Gary-----Original Message-----
Raymond,This, from my notes at Brodhead '09:Randy Bush, 64/32Gary & Shad Bell, 66/30PF Beck, 64/34Kurt Shipman, 64/34Best of luck to you!Gary-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on material
Original Posted By: SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com
In most states you're gonna pay taxes on it anyway. I'd rather pay a little as I go than get hit with a big tax bill when I register my aircraft.You can pay me now...or pay me later. The government is like a bookie. They always get their money.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
In most states you're gonna pay taxes on it anyway. I'd rather pay a little as I go than get hit with a big tax bill when I register my aircraft.You can pay me now...or pay me later. The government is like a bookie. They always get their money.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
thanks for the tips guys- I found one fellow in Kansas that had a 66x32 Sterbahe loaned to a fellow and never got it back or any money. if he can get it backI may try it out and buy it if it works well.I am still searching for the Cloudcarssite.so far no luck but if they are all scimitars- if I spelled that rightI don't know how they would do on a Corvair . I expect he makes regular onestoo.I'll sure try to make contact with him.those size ranges tell me I'm onthe too flat side of the range to cruise much but by careful throttle controlI my be able to fly some till I come up with one.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
thanks for the tips guys- I found one fellow in Kansas that had a 66x32 Sterbahe loaned to a fellow and never got it back or any money. if he can get it backI may try it out and buy it if it works well.I am still searching for the Cloudcarssite.so far no luck but if they are all scimitars- if I spelled that rightI don't know how they would do on a Corvair . I expect he makes regular onestoo.I'll sure try to make contact with him.those size ranges tell me I'm onthe too flat side of the range to cruise much but by careful throttle controlI my be able to fly some till I come up with one.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Chris"
I was just over in the U.K. and met some of the members of the U.K. Pietenpol Club.They have a member, I think that his name is Alan James, that carves propsfor people. I have attached an excel spreadsheet that is on their website fordetermining optimum prop diameter/pitch. I will simply say this - use at yourown risk, but I hope that it helps.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop ... __________
I was just over in the U.K. and met some of the members of the U.K. Pietenpol Club.They have a member, I think that his name is Alan James, that carves propsfor people. I have attached an excel spreadsheet that is on their website fordetermining optimum prop diameter/pitch. I will simply say this - use at yourown risk, but I hope that it helps.--------Semper Fi,TerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
While we are on the subject of Corvair propellers and propeller carving. Onmy website is a good booklet written in 1984 called "How I Make WoodPropellers" by Al Schubert ( http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm ).In Part 1 on pages 67B to 68 and pages 68F to 68G, Mr. Schubert discusses apropeller he made for Mr. Pietenpol's Corvair powered Air Camper. It sure wish I could have know Mr. Schubert and Mr. Pietenpol. I would loveto of had the pleasure of meeting them and learning from them. There my kindof people. ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com________________________________________________________________________________
While we are on the subject of Corvair propellers and propeller carving. Onmy website is a good booklet written in 1984 called "How I Make WoodPropellers" by Al Schubert ( http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm ).In Part 1 on pages 67B to 68 and pages 68F to 68G, Mr. Schubert discusses apropeller he made for Mr. Pietenpol's Corvair powered Air Camper. It sure wish I could have know Mr. Schubert and Mr. Pietenpol. I would loveto of had the pleasure of meeting them and learning from them. There my kindof people. ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on material
Original Posted By:
Hi Dave,Are you building a Piet with all that wood?Skip----- Original Message -----
Hi Dave,Are you building a Piet with all that wood?Skip----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on material
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on materialHi Skip, Long time no see. How are you doin? No, I'm just a Piet fan. I help Jim P. with his from time to time. I am building a biplane. I still have my Mini Winnie. Dave________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:34:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on materialHi Skip, Long time no see. How are you doin? No, I'm just a Piet fan. I help Jim P. with his from time to time. I am building a biplane. I still have my Mini Winnie. Dave________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:34:41 -0500
RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
We use 66x30 Culver Props on the Big Piets, but several combinations willwork. We opted for the "swept back" prop (couldn't spell semitar??)insteadof a straight prop. They were the same price, but looked cooler. We havesince covered the prop leading edges with fiberglass after some rain erosionduring the trip to Brodhead & Airventure last year. With a 66" prop, 3100 isthe max rpm to keep the tip from going supersonic (I have not done the mathon this, but it is on a prop chart) We get 2950 static and 3100 plus alittle in cruise with the engine flat out.Barry DavisNX973BP-----Original Message-----
We use 66x30 Culver Props on the Big Piets, but several combinations willwork. We opted for the "swept back" prop (couldn't spell semitar??)insteadof a straight prop. They were the same price, but looked cooler. We havesince covered the prop leading edges with fiberglass after some rain erosionduring the trip to Brodhead & Airventure last year. With a 66" prop, 3100 isthe max rpm to keep the tip from going supersonic (I have not done the mathon this, but it is on a prop chart) We get 2950 static and 3100 plus alittle in cruise with the engine flat out.Barry DavisNX973BP-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack and Karen's home (while they are building) and marriage-do not archive 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________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: steve emo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Now Raymond, why do you bother starting your search for a prop withoutfirst looking right here in the Lone Star State with people you know?;o) I have a new, in the box Tennessee Props 62x34 prop for the Corvairand it has nobody to dance with right now. I would be happy to loanyou the prop for testing, with the usual "you break it/you bought it"caveats. You can see a pic of it here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.htmlThe prop size was determined by Tennessee Props after I told them whatit was going on, what was intended to power it, cruise speed, etc.- butI don't think they had made any props for this engine/airframe combinationbefore, so it may not be optimum. For testing, though, it should atleast give you another point of reference.Like my optometrist says, as she clicks different lenses into thediagnostic apparatus: "is it better with THIS, or with THIS?"Get with me off-list and we'll arrange for shipping, if you want to trythis prop out. Texans don't let other Texans get outside help ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"San Antonio, TXwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Now Raymond, why do you bother starting your search for a prop withoutfirst looking right here in the Lone Star State with people you know?;o) I have a new, in the box Tennessee Props 62x34 prop for the Corvairand it has nobody to dance with right now. I would be happy to loanyou the prop for testing, with the usual "you break it/you bought it"caveats. You can see a pic of it here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.htmlThe prop size was determined by Tennessee Props after I told them whatit was going on, what was intended to power it, cruise speed, etc.- butI don't think they had made any props for this engine/airframe combinationbefore, so it may not be optimum. For testing, though, it should atleast give you another point of reference.Like my optometrist says, as she clicks different lenses into thediagnostic apparatus: "is it better with THIS, or with THIS?"Get with me off-list and we'll arrange for shipping, if you want to trythis prop out. Texans don't let other Texans get outside help ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"San Antonio, TXwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guysfor sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff thatcould get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with himand will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendationof making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometryright on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guysfor sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff thatcould get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with himand will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendationof making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometryright on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: skellytown flyer
Trust me, Raymond. With Dan's handy-DANdy guide, it's so easy a caveman could doit!Gary------Original Message------
Trust me, Raymond. With Dan's handy-DANdy guide, it's so easy a caveman could doit!Gary------Original Message------
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Raymond, you don't need a duplicator to make a prop. Of the several people hereon this list that have made their own, I don't think any used a duplicatingmachine. Buy Dan Helsper's prop carving CD, it will show you everything you needin order to make a first-rate prop using ordinary power tools (electric chainsaw,disc sander, etc). It's well worth the asking price.(not a paid spokesman)--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Raymond, you don't need a duplicator to make a prop. Of the several people hereon this list that have made their own, I don't think any used a duplicatingmachine. Buy Dan Helsper's prop carving CD, it will show you everything you needin order to make a first-rate prop using ordinary power tools (electric chainsaw,disc sander, etc). It's well worth the asking price.(not a paid spokesman)--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side, that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried WW's candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights. They still won't budge. Any ideas? C----- Original Message -----
Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side, that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried WW's candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights. They still won't budge. Any ideas? C----- Original Message -----
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I agree with Raymond. I have done the same thing many times. Sometimes it may bereally stuck and wring the stud off... get another nut and weld it on again.Don't give up until you have twisted it off flush. I have always used stick rodsfor this.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I agree with Raymond. I have done the same thing many times. Sometimes it may bereally stuck and wring the stud off... get another nut and weld it on again.Don't give up until you have twisted it off flush. I have always used stick rodsfor this.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "Oscar Zuniga"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair propsJust curious, are you double-nutting, or using a proper puller, suchas the Snap-On collet type? Pulled many a stud out of junk cases withplenty of heat and wax, using the Snap-On puller. Much better, in myopinion.On a side note, how about a couple pics of the bad studs....they mayactually be usable, and it's better if you don't disturb them....justcurious,RyanSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:>> Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried WW'scandle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights.They still won't budge. Any ideas? C>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair propsJust curious, are you double-nutting, or using a proper puller, suchas the Snap-On collet type? Pulled many a stud out of junk cases withplenty of heat and wax, using the Snap-On puller. Much better, in myopinion.On a side note, how about a couple pics of the bad studs....they mayactually be usable, and it's better if you don't disturb them....justcurious,RyanSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:>> Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried WW'scandle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights.They still won't budge. Any ideas? C>
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Original Posted By:>> ----- Original Message ----- "Oscar Zuniga"
Now granted I haven't done this on a Corvair yet, (all my studs came out) but Ihave had great luck with PB Blaster, sometimes a little heat helped, spark plugon a fiero that was stuck, put as much pressure on it as I dared, sprayedPB blaster on it, drove it a while to get it warm, repeat, and it all but fellout! Same for the O2 sensor, I always keep PB in my box nowSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 28, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> > Just curious, are you double-nutting, or using a proper puller, such> as the Snap-On collet type? Pulled many a stud out of junk cases with> plenty of heat and wax, using the Snap-On puller. Much better, in my> opinion.> > On a side note, how about a couple pics of the bad studs....they may> actually be usable, and it's better if you don't disturb them....just> curious,> > Ryan> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Apr 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:> >> >> Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I triedWW's candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights.They still won't budge. Any ideas? C>>
Now granted I haven't done this on a Corvair yet, (all my studs came out) but Ihave had great luck with PB Blaster, sometimes a little heat helped, spark plugon a fiero that was stuck, put as much pressure on it as I dared, sprayedPB blaster on it, drove it a while to get it warm, repeat, and it all but fellout! Same for the O2 sensor, I always keep PB in my box nowSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 28, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> > Just curious, are you double-nutting, or using a proper puller, such> as the Snap-On collet type? Pulled many a stud out of junk cases with> plenty of heat and wax, using the Snap-On puller. Much better, in my> opinion.> > On a side note, how about a couple pics of the bad studs....they may> actually be usable, and it's better if you don't disturb them....just> curious,> > Ryan> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Apr 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:> >> >> Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I triedWW's candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights.They still won't budge. Any ideas? C>>
Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
Original Posted By: "BYD"
skellytown flyer wrote:> Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guysfor sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff thatcould get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with himand will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendationof making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometryright on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.RaymondRaymond, Will you let me know how Oscar's prop turns out? I have the same prop.The previous builder ran it on the ground for 5 hrs and logs show 2500 static.I don't know if he was pushing it full throttle or not and his logs on run-inwere a little sketchy. I also do not know the accuracy of the tach. Myengine is a 110 hp using a stromberg carb. I have some other unexpected engineproblems so I am not sure what to expect. If I get my engine running at CorvairCollege #20 I may get a chance to see what it will do.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
skellytown flyer wrote:> Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guysfor sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff thatcould get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with himand will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendationof making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometryright on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.RaymondRaymond, Will you let me know how Oscar's prop turns out? I have the same prop.The previous builder ran it on the ground for 5 hrs and logs show 2500 static.I don't know if he was pushing it full throttle or not and his logs on run-inwere a little sketchy. I also do not know the accuracy of the tach. Myengine is a 110 hp using a stromberg carb. I have some other unexpected engineproblems so I am not sure what to expect. If I get my engine running at CorvairCollege #20 I may get a chance to see what it will do.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
The confusion comes from the term Experimental Light Sport Airplane. An E-LSAis developed from the defined processes of an S-LSA and is considered a certificatedLight Sport Airplane. An Experimental Amateur Built Aircraft (ABA - Homebuiltfrom plans or a kit) is not.For an ABA the builder is required to show the so-called 50% rule whereas for anE-LSA the builder (or assembler) must show that the processes and specs fromthe manufacturer where followed (but he/she can do less than 50%).You earn a Repairman Inspection rating for E-LSA and a Repairman Certificate foran ABA. With a Repairman Inspection rating you can perform inspection on ANYE-LSA you own but a Repairman Certificate is only good for the particular ABAaircraft and builder it was issued for.Many aircraft meet the requirements as Light Sport Aircraft (Cub, Champ Pietenpol)and although some are Experimental, they are not Experimental Light SportAircraft. There must be a S-LSA first for the E-LSA to be based from.At least thats my understanding.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
The confusion comes from the term Experimental Light Sport Airplane. An E-LSAis developed from the defined processes of an S-LSA and is considered a certificatedLight Sport Airplane. An Experimental Amateur Built Aircraft (ABA - Homebuiltfrom plans or a kit) is not.For an ABA the builder is required to show the so-called 50% rule whereas for anE-LSA the builder (or assembler) must show that the processes and specs fromthe manufacturer where followed (but he/she can do less than 50%).You earn a Repairman Inspection rating for E-LSA and a Repairman Certificate foran ABA. With a Repairman Inspection rating you can perform inspection on ANYE-LSA you own but a Repairman Certificate is only good for the particular ABAaircraft and builder it was issued for.Many aircraft meet the requirements as Light Sport Aircraft (Cub, Champ Pietenpol)and although some are Experimental, they are not Experimental Light SportAircraft. There must be a S-LSA first for the E-LSA to be based from.At least thats my understanding.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
Pietenpol-List: Taxes on material
Original Posted By: "Stan Peek"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on materialHey Billy=2C I found out the hard way. I ordered almost $2=2C000 worth of wood and other supplies. I live in Western North Carolina so I went and picked it up to save shipping. Surprise!!! The taxes on that amount were just short of the shipping by truck. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on materialHey Billy=2C I found out the hard way. I ordered almost $2=2C000 worth of wood and other supplies. I live in Western North Carolina so I went and picked it up to save shipping. Surprise!!! The taxes on that amount were just short of the shipping by truck. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
> > > 8x10 colored glossies=2C with lines and arrows....> > Gary> > > "...You're worrying for naught. Take your measurements from a point you can> identify with covering on=2C make good notes=2C and slice away when the time> comes. Leather patches are a nice way to solve any small inaccuracies."> > --------> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown=2C TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 290#338290> > > > > > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props
> > > 8x10 colored glossies=2C with lines and arrows....> > Gary> > > "...You're worrying for naught. Take your measurements from a point you can> identify with covering on=2C make good notes=2C and slice away when the time> comes. Leather patches are a nice way to solve any small inaccuracies."> > --------> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown=2C TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 290#338290> > > > > > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair props