Original Posted By: Michael Groah
>Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities prior to ordering.How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate one and a half sheets for the whole plane)And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch?And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32".And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for?Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case.Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ ... _125.jpgle, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Pietenpol-List: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "lowell23(at)msn.com"
Gene Rambo,What is the product number and name of that gooy gasket sealant that you were recommending?Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Gene Rambo,What is the product number and name of that gooy gasket sealant that you were recommending?Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Hi Everybody,I have my fuselage jig ready, and my shipment from Aircraft Spruce has arrivedwith both the spruce and plywood kits. I see that the gussets are made from 1/8"plywood, but noticed the plywood kit doesn't come with that size. Am I missingsomething (highly likely), or do I just need to order some 1/8" (just aslikely)?On a side note - this just kind of happened when I was making blocks for the jig...Thank you,LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Hi Everybody,I have my fuselage jig ready, and my shipment from Aircraft Spruce has arrivedwith both the spruce and plywood kits. I see that the gussets are made from 1/8"plywood, but noticed the plywood kit doesn't come with that size. Am I missingsomething (highly likely), or do I just need to order some 1/8" (just aslikely)?On a side note - this just kind of happened when I was making blocks for the jig...Thank you,LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Order 1/8" ply. You may want to let the vendor know that either their kit is incompleteor your shipment is incomplete.i LOVE jenga!!!Kevin--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Order 1/8" ply. You may want to let the vendor know that either their kit is incompleteor your shipment is incomplete.i LOVE jenga!!!Kevin--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look atthe ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth ofplywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom,where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities priorto ordering.How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate oneand a half sheets for the whole plane)And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch?And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recallseeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piecewing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sidesand gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8"ply - not 3/32".And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for?Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recallhearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that'sthe case.Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials liston your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look atthe ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth ofplywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom,where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities priorto ordering.How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate oneand a half sheets for the whole plane)And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch?And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recallseeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piecewing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sidesand gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8"ply - not 3/32".And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for?Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recallhearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that'sthe case.Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials liston your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: Bill Church
...And thereby explaining why one would use locally purchased Poplar, plywood,hickory and fir. I have about $700 invested in ALL my wood, including hickorystruts and gear and hickory prop. Now, some will say that counting $$ on an airplane is a foolish waste of time...butwhy throw $$ at someone who's going to ship you something you don't wantor need, then get pissed off? My wood purchases have among the most pleasant partof my project!GaryCool Poplar Piet ------Original Message------
...And thereby explaining why one would use locally purchased Poplar, plywood,hickory and fir. I have about $700 invested in ALL my wood, including hickorystruts and gear and hickory prop. Now, some will say that counting $$ on an airplane is a foolish waste of time...butwhy throw $$ at someone who's going to ship you something you don't wantor need, then get pissed off? My wood purchases have among the most pleasant partof my project!GaryCool Poplar Piet ------Original Message------
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "lowell23(at)msn.com"
I use stuff from NAPA that is actually the NAPA brand. It is called "AviationForm-a-Gasket". It is the dark brown gooey-ish stuuff. It never really hardens.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
I use stuff from NAPA that is actually the NAPA brand. It is called "AviationForm-a-Gasket". It is the dark brown gooey-ish stuuff. It never really hardens.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Hey, thanks for all the info and lively discussion! I'll send an e-mail alongto the folks at Aircraft Spruce, and I'll learn to trust my instincts more whenreading disclaimers. I'm actually not mad - it's all beautiful wood, and ifI can make a Jenga set out of the cheapest stuff at Home Depot, just imaginewhat my Monopoly board will look like!Thanks again for helping out a Tri-Pacer guy.LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Hey, thanks for all the info and lively discussion! I'll send an e-mail alongto the folks at Aircraft Spruce, and I'll learn to trust my instincts more whenreading disclaimers. I'm actually not mad - it's all beautiful wood, and ifI can make a Jenga set out of the cheapest stuff at Home Depot, just imaginewhat my Monopoly board will look like!Thanks again for helping out a Tri-Pacer guy.LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
Original Posted By: "aussiegeorge"
Hey Guys & Gals,I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed!I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way.Chuck Borsuk989CBRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 9#341999le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
Hey Guys & Gals,I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed!I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way.Chuck Borsuk989CBRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 9#341999le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "Gboothe5"
The good folks at Aircraft Spruce monitor this list, so likely they may pipe upand put they're 2 cents in. With all the times the "approved" parts list has been floated on the list I'm surprisedthey haven't adopted it. It's in the archives if you search for it. Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.com"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > Well Lowell, I think you get the award for "most calm reaction to a very aggravatingset of circumstances". That kind of attitude will come in handy as youprogress through the build process.> Be sure to share some photos as you put your Monopoly board together.> > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 914#341914> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
The good folks at Aircraft Spruce monitor this list, so likely they may pipe upand put they're 2 cents in. With all the times the "approved" parts list has been floated on the list I'm surprisedthey haven't adopted it. It's in the archives if you search for it. Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.com"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > Well Lowell, I think you get the award for "most calm reaction to a very aggravatingset of circumstances". That kind of attitude will come in handy as youprogress through the build process.> Be sure to share some photos as you put your Monopoly board together.> > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 914#341914> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Paso Robles.KellyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Paso Robles.KellyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
I've seen a few different versions of the wood list, and I believe that one ofthem is what the "spruce kit" is based on. But I wasn't aware that there was a"plywood kit" offered by Aircraft Spruce. I guess it's relatively new. Just notsure where the quantities and thicknesses came from. Apparently not from thePietenpol plans, but MAYBE it may be connected to the Grega plans? Anyone outthere got a set of GN-1 plans to check against?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
I've seen a few different versions of the wood list, and I believe that one ofthem is what the "spruce kit" is based on. But I wasn't aware that there was a"plywood kit" offered by Aircraft Spruce. I guess it's relatively new. Just notsure where the quantities and thicknesses came from. Apparently not from thePietenpol plans, but MAYBE it may be connected to the Grega plans? Anyone outthere got a set of GN-1 plans to check against?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
Original Posted By: "aussiegeorge"
Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful tolearn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you want want to go anywhere else.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful tolearn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you want want to go anywhere else.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
Original Posted By: "Chris"
Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful tolearn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you won't want to go anywhere else.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful tolearn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you won't want to go anywhere else.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ChuckIf you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how Idid mine.I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spacedjust by measuring the location.Then laid all the long pieces in the notches.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... pport.jpgI Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. Iwent with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... pport.jpgI then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure itwas strait (not bowing).Then I built intermediate former templates like this picturehttp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20Support%20Template.jpghttp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20support%20template2.jpgThe beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the stingis centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and yourpattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape.As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... gHopefully this is clearer than mud.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
ChuckIf you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how Idid mine.I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spacedjust by measuring the location.Then laid all the long pieces in the notches.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... pport.jpgI Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. Iwent with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... pport.jpgI then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure itwas strait (not bowing).Then I built intermediate former templates like this picturehttp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20Support%20Template.jpghttp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20support%20template2.jpgThe beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the stingis centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and yourpattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape.As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... gHopefully this is clearer than mud.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I checked the Wicks site, and they also have a plywood kit that doesn't include1/8". Also, I may have found out where all the 3/32" in the kits comes from. The originalPietenpol Builders Manual has you using that size for the sides of the fuse.Its itemized parts list includes 1/8" for the gussets, but... Well, theimportant thing is that the newest plans have you using 1/8" for gussets andsides, and that sounds good to me.The Builders Manual is a good read, and I'd suggest it to anyone. Of course I got it at http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
I checked the Wicks site, and they also have a plywood kit that doesn't include1/8". Also, I may have found out where all the 3/32" in the kits comes from. The originalPietenpol Builders Manual has you using that size for the sides of the fuse.Its itemized parts list includes 1/8" for the gussets, but... Well, theimportant thing is that the newest plans have you using 1/8" for gussets andsides, and that sounds good to me.The Builders Manual is a good read, and I'd suggest it to anyone. Of course I got it at http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo