Original Posted By: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
...and more...--------ScottyTamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night(way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the positionof the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse,and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailedto the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit.Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh picslast year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot'scockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leadsme to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces goin front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantageto either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet asthere are builders?Thanks.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night(way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the positionof the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse,and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailedto the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit.Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh picslast year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot'scockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leadsme to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces goin front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantageto either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet asthere are builders?Thanks.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Tom,The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpitpassenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would nevertouch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where theplans show them.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Tom,The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpitpassenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would nevertouch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where theplans show them.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
Tom,Mine is not flying, yet, but as Jack said, and as you have mentioned, either seems acceptable (unless one is a Purist!). Hopefully, you can open the attached, which is a close-up of Charlie Miller's Piet. I apologize for not having a better picture, but down at the far left bottom, you can just see the corner of the nicely done seat-back padding that Charlie installed. It fits well between those braces.Gary-----Original Message-----
Tom,Mine is not flying, yet, but as Jack said, and as you have mentioned, either seems acceptable (unless one is a Purist!). Hopefully, you can open the attached, which is a close-up of Charlie Miller's Piet. I apologize for not having a better picture, but down at the far left bottom, you can just see the corner of the nicely done seat-back padding that Charlie installed. It fits well between those braces.Gary-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: "Ray Krause"
Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly;truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doingsomething incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to gluethe spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere witha cable or metal fitting or something else.As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" andI appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I'veasked, myself.)Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back andspacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller sothey are easier to see!)TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly;truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doingsomething incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to gluethe spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere witha cable or metal fitting or something else.As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" andI appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I'veasked, myself.)Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back andspacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller sothey are easier to see!)TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
John I made my wrenches by heating and bending regular wrenches and when I gotthem shaped like I wanted them then I "shade tree" heat treated them so they wouldn'tbend. Worked for me.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
John I made my wrenches by heating and bending regular wrenches and when I gotthem shaped like I wanted them then I "shade tree" heat treated them so they wouldn'tbend. Worked for me.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
Tom,Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (Of course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Tom,Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (Of course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: mark lee
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: mark lee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wrenches
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: WrenchesJerryI thought of doing thet if I couldn't find a set but I really hate bending up my wrenches, I guess I could have gone to HF for a set of their rubber wrenches and bend them up. But if I can borrow a set all the better and if not I'll buy a real set.or bend me some new hf specials.ThanksJohn________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: WrenchesJerryI thought of doing thet if I couldn't find a set but I really hate bending up my wrenches, I guess I could have gone to HF for a set of their rubber wrenches and bend them up. But if I can borrow a set all the better and if not I'll buy a real set.or bend me some new hf specials.ThanksJohn________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By:> tdudley(at)umn.edu
Tom, Your work looks great. You may want to consider cutting the top of thepilot leg holes higher. Almost for sure you will want them higher the firsttime you sit in the pilot seat and they will be easier to cut now, Ilearned that the hard way.Skip> [Original Message]
Tom, Your work looks great. You may want to consider cutting the top of thepilot leg holes higher. Almost for sure you will want them higher the firsttime you sit in the pilot seat and they will be easier to cut now, Ilearned that the hard way.Skip> [Original Message]
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
I got my Popsleather helmet last fall and absolutely love it! Custom fit for noadditional price. Even got one of their wallets as well. Would recommend thesefolks to anybody.Lorin--------Lorin MillerWaiex N81YXGN-1 N30PPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
I got my Popsleather helmet last fall and absolutely love it! Custom fit for noadditional price. Even got one of their wallets as well. Would recommend thesefolks to anybody.Lorin--------Lorin MillerWaiex N81YXGN-1 N30PPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Skip (and Gary),Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plansbut have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I usedmy wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she hasa pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice).TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Skip (and Gary),Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plansbut have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I usedmy wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she hasa pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice).TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By:> tdudley(at)umn.edu
Tom, I think I just eyeballed mine when I re cut. Just measured and the newdiameter is 3 3/8". I found a contact cement can in the shop that size,think I will use it to true up the curve.Skip> [Original Message]
Tom, I think I just eyeballed mine when I re cut. Just measured and the newdiameter is 3 3/8". I found a contact cement can in the shop that size,think I will use it to true up the curve.Skip> [Original Message]
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have beenmuch easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours onthe ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better...Gary-----Original Message-----
That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have beenmuch easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours onthe ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better...Gary-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Make the cutouts as big as you can. As Pieti Lowell about what thatbulkhead can do to your shins.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Make the cutouts as big as you can. As Pieti Lowell about what thatbulkhead can do to your shins.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
Tom;Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One, Iconcur with others who have recommended that you open up theleg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you'reclimbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two, it's easyto add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.Three, you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notchin the diagonal upright on the port side, to clear the bar thatlinks the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hardover to port.All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put upto describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat andframing on my Piet, here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.htmlOscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Tom;Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One, Iconcur with others who have recommended that you open up theleg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you'reclimbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two, it's easyto add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.Three, you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notchin the diagonal upright on the port side, to clear the bar thatlinks the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hardover to port.All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put upto describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat andframing on my Piet, here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.htmlOscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Oscar,Thanks for your suggestions and the link to your site. Your rebuild was well-detailedand helpful.Now, not trying to beat the horse any more dead, but my final question on the subjectregarding expanding the rudder pedal openings--- higher, wider, or both?I've read recommendations for both which is what I am planning on, but it'dbe nice to know for certain before putting a blade to the plywood.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oscar,Thanks for your suggestions and the link to your site. Your rebuild was well-detailedand helpful.Now, not trying to beat the horse any more dead, but my final question on the subjectregarding expanding the rudder pedal openings--- higher, wider, or both?I've read recommendations for both which is what I am planning on, but it'dbe nice to know for certain before putting a blade to the plywood.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By:> taildrags(at)hotmail.com
you may not have to notch the diagonal. Attach the front/rear interconnect bar to the left side of the rear stick and the right side of the front (or vice-versa) and it should clear=2C mine did!Gene
you may not have to notch the diagonal. Attach the front/rear interconnect bar to the left side of the rear stick and the right side of the front (or vice-versa) and it should clear=2C mine did!Gene
Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet fly-in at Centerburg
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Shad, Im helping my lil' Sis move to c-busFriday and plan on Having my ducati there saturday!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 15, 2011, at 12:55 AM, shad bell wrote:> Don, I don't mean to pester you, but my little fly-in is saturday, Skipp, and Ed Delanely are planning on flying up friday afternoon and Steve Emo is planning on flying his piet up from New Carlisle saturday. Hope you can make it. Also I was wondering if you could let Frank P. know about it, if he would want to fly down for the day on Saturday.> > Shad> p.s. I like your Chief video, nice looking airplane!> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Shad, Im helping my lil' Sis move to c-busFriday and plan on Having my ducati there saturday!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 15, 2011, at 12:55 AM, shad bell wrote:> Don, I don't mean to pester you, but my little fly-in is saturday, Skipp, and Ed Delanely are planning on flying up friday afternoon and Steve Emo is planning on flying his piet up from New Carlisle saturday. Hope you can make it. Also I was wondering if you could let Frank P. know about it, if he would want to fly down for the day on Saturday.> > Shad> p.s. I like your Chief video, nice looking airplane!> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim,Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash ofpictures.JackDSM _____
Jim,Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash ofpictures.JackDSM _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Do it. One of the best engines ever made. And they almost never snap theircrankshafts, unlike some other Air Camper powerplants.Seriously, it will cost about the same to overhaul a Continetnal 65 as youwould put into converting a Corvair with the 5th bearing and all the otherthings that need to be done to the Corvair to give it some semblance ofreliability. The Covair does have more power, but its prop turns the wrongdirection.If you weigh more than 200 lbs you might need more power and should considera C-85 , C-90, or O-200.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Do it. One of the best engines ever made. And they almost never snap theircrankshafts, unlike some other Air Camper powerplants.Seriously, it will cost about the same to overhaul a Continetnal 65 as youwould put into converting a Corvair with the 5th bearing and all the otherthings that need to be done to the Corvair to give it some semblance ofreliability. The Covair does have more power, but its prop turns the wrongdirection.If you weigh more than 200 lbs you might need more power and should considera C-85 , C-90, or O-200.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
For Jim - I actually used stock motorcycle links and there are no provisions forcotter keys. Looks like a good solution, though, with the right hardware.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
For Jim - I actually used stock motorcycle links and there are no provisions forcotter keys. Looks like a good solution, though, with the right hardware.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Original Posted By: "Gboothe5"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question>> maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them >> Tom________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question>> maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them >> Tom________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
> >> > > Tom=3B> > Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One=2C I> concur with others who have recommended that you open up the> leg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you're> climbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two=2C it's easy> to add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.> Three=2C you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notch> in the diagonal upright on the port side=2C to clear the bar that> links the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hard> over to port.> > All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put up> to describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat and> framing on my Piet=2C here:> > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html> > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"> Medford=2C OR (soon to be Eagle Point=2C Oregon)> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
> >> > > Tom=3B> > Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One=2C I> concur with others who have recommended that you open up the> leg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you're> climbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two=2C it's easy> to add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.> Three=2C you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notch> in the diagonal upright on the port side=2C to clear the bar that> links the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hard> over to port.> > All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put up> to describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat and> framing on my Piet=2C here:> > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html> > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"> Medford=2C OR (soon to be Eagle Point=2C Oregon)> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT)