Original Posted By: "tools"
Keri-Ann here:Any weight savings is worth it, oz's = lbs at the end. I used a table router toroute all the fuselage parts. Works great, easy and simple.Wing spars were built up with 1/2" spruce web with 1" sq. top and bottom caps rabbitedinto the web. All T-88 epoxy. Then all the reinforcements where added,plywood, for the fitting load points. No routing here.My Pietenpol was built from EAAs "1932 Glider and Flying Manual". Big differencefrom the Hoopman plans now being sold.Enjoy your build and the journey,Keri-Ann--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list...
Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list...
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Hey folks,I'm new here, to this forum, but not necessarily to the Piet group. I startedresearching to build a Piet in '95 or so. Wrote lots of letters, got lots ofBPA newsletter back issues, have the plans, made templates for all the metal parts...but life and not as well equipped shop as I would hope to build a plane,all got in the way.Well, the kids are nearly grown (sad thing...). The shop got WELL equipped, andI set up a machine shop to boot. Working on a fabrication shop. Have mostthe parts to set up forging and foundry capability. Ya, went a little overboard.Made it to Oshkosh for the first time last year. Coming to Brodhead and Oshkoshthis year and hope to meet you all. Bringing a motorhome, will likely havea bed or two to spare, hoping to arrive early Thurs. Yesterday, I made a wing rib jig and a mock wing rib, so I'm officially started!Pictures later. A friend of mine and I are planning on making two together.He's taking the wing rib jig back with him to his Navy duty station and willbe cranking them out in his apartment as I weld things together.So, to keep things on point, it dawns on me that it's possible many of you havespare square inches of left over materials. Specifically, looking for scrapsof 1/16" aircraft plywood for gussets. A rough estimate would be that I needabout 2000 of them! So, if you have scrap anything I could buy and ship to Chris, it would be a GREAThelp. I'll rough everything and ship to him for building. Specifically wingrib related. If you have a whole sheet of anything I may need surplus andwant to get your money back without shipping and all... give me a call. Piecesof 4130 that may be surplus to your immediate needs that I can use to startthe fabrication process. Not looking for handouts, just trying to be efficient. Also willing to barterScotch... just sayin'... Should have plenty of beer along!We're planning on classic Piets, have a couple model A cores to start on soon.I'm practicing by rebuilding 30hp Wisconsin VH4D air cooled industrial motorsfor old Bobcat 610's right now. Boring the cylinders myself, etc. I'm coming from near Chattanooga TN.Cheers,Mike "Tools" Danford423 580 1383Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey folks,I'm new here, to this forum, but not necessarily to the Piet group. I startedresearching to build a Piet in '95 or so. Wrote lots of letters, got lots ofBPA newsletter back issues, have the plans, made templates for all the metal parts...but life and not as well equipped shop as I would hope to build a plane,all got in the way.Well, the kids are nearly grown (sad thing...). The shop got WELL equipped, andI set up a machine shop to boot. Working on a fabrication shop. Have mostthe parts to set up forging and foundry capability. Ya, went a little overboard.Made it to Oshkosh for the first time last year. Coming to Brodhead and Oshkoshthis year and hope to meet you all. Bringing a motorhome, will likely havea bed or two to spare, hoping to arrive early Thurs. Yesterday, I made a wing rib jig and a mock wing rib, so I'm officially started!Pictures later. A friend of mine and I are planning on making two together.He's taking the wing rib jig back with him to his Navy duty station and willbe cranking them out in his apartment as I weld things together.So, to keep things on point, it dawns on me that it's possible many of you havespare square inches of left over materials. Specifically, looking for scrapsof 1/16" aircraft plywood for gussets. A rough estimate would be that I needabout 2000 of them! So, if you have scrap anything I could buy and ship to Chris, it would be a GREAThelp. I'll rough everything and ship to him for building. Specifically wingrib related. If you have a whole sheet of anything I may need surplus andwant to get your money back without shipping and all... give me a call. Piecesof 4130 that may be surplus to your immediate needs that I can use to startthe fabrication process. Not looking for handouts, just trying to be efficient. Also willing to barterScotch... just sayin'... Should have plenty of beer along!We're planning on classic Piets, have a couple model A cores to start on soon.I'm practicing by rebuilding 30hp Wisconsin VH4D air cooled industrial motorsfor old Bobcat 610's right now. Boring the cylinders myself, etc. I'm coming from near Chattanooga TN.Cheers,Mike "Tools" Danford423 580 1383Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Great to have you finally building, Mike. I think you'll find that buildingtwo airplanes simultaneously will be a very good thing. My suggestion is,always build the parts for your friend's airplane first. You can say yourjust doing him a favor, so he can be the first to fly. Invariably my secondor third attempt at making a part came out better than my first.Seriously, I think I built about 1-1/2 Pietenpols as I built mine, sobuilding two wouldn't add that much in time or cost.As for scraps, I suspect that most Piet builders are like me and saved mostof the big scraps for future use, either in making repairs to their airplaneor other projects. I wouldn't really want to part with any of it. Thematerials are really a fairly small portion of the total cost of theairplane, probably less than a third overall.Are you building a wooden fuselage or the steel tube version?Looking forward to meeting you at Brodhead.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Great to have you finally building, Mike. I think you'll find that buildingtwo airplanes simultaneously will be a very good thing. My suggestion is,always build the parts for your friend's airplane first. You can say yourjust doing him a favor, so he can be the first to fly. Invariably my secondor third attempt at making a part came out better than my first.Seriously, I think I built about 1-1/2 Pietenpols as I built mine, sobuilding two wouldn't add that much in time or cost.As for scraps, I suspect that most Piet builders are like me and saved mostof the big scraps for future use, either in making repairs to their airplaneor other projects. I wouldn't really want to part with any of it. Thematerials are really a fairly small portion of the total cost of theairplane, probably less than a third overall.Are you building a wooden fuselage or the steel tube version?Looking forward to meeting you at Brodhead.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list...
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Hey Jack,I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know untilyou ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but over time... If anyone needs any hardwood... I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my machineshop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for the weightsavings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the things I hopeto resolve visiting Brodhead.I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no electricalsystem... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the better.A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood strutsI'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I left home)a Hatz CB-1. I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger time.I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained (Navy carrier).Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown for fun!Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would love tonot pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards.MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Jack,I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know untilyou ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but over time... If anyone needs any hardwood... I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my machineshop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for the weightsavings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the things I hopeto resolve visiting Brodhead.I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no electricalsystem... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the better.A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood strutsI'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I left home)a Hatz CB-1. I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger time.I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained (Navy carrier).Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown for fun!Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would love tonot pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards.MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Tool,While in the neighborhood, you might try McCormick Lumber in Madison, whichis only about 30 miles from Brodhead. They generally sell Sitka Spruce, andhave it much cheaper than Aircraft Spruce & Specialty or Wicks AircraftSupply. http://mccormicklumber.com/. You will have to select it yourself,they don't sell "aircraft grade" spruce. Just bring a copy of AC 43.13 tohelp you grade the wood.If you can land on a carrier, you can probably land a Pietenpol, although itwouldn't hurt to get some tailwheel training in a Cub or a Champ. PoplarGrove Airport (C77) has a J-3 that they give instruction in, and they arealso about 30 miles from Brodhead, but in the opposite direction fromMadison.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Hi Tool,While in the neighborhood, you might try McCormick Lumber in Madison, whichis only about 30 miles from Brodhead. They generally sell Sitka Spruce, andhave it much cheaper than Aircraft Spruce & Specialty or Wicks AircraftSupply. http://mccormicklumber.com/. You will have to select it yourself,they don't sell "aircraft grade" spruce. Just bring a copy of AC 43.13 tohelp you grade the wood.If you can land on a carrier, you can probably land a Pietenpol, although itwouldn't hurt to get some tailwheel training in a Cub or a Champ. PoplarGrove Airport (C77) has a J-3 that they give instruction in, and they arealso about 30 miles from Brodhead, but in the opposite direction fromMadison.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like yours.Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the areabehind the seat, though.I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seatback removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that area,I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through theseat back.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like yours.Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the areabehind the seat, though.I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seatback removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that area,I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through theseat back.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Bill,You mentioned a curved seat, and I'm sure you have an excellent idea abouthow to do that. I did a poor job of taking pictures while visiting RobertCaldwell, but in the attached, you can just get a glimpse of his curvedseat. In case you want more pics, here's Robert's email: caldwrl(at)etex.net It looked VERY comfortable!Gary-----Original Message-----
Bill,You mentioned a curved seat, and I'm sure you have an excellent idea abouthow to do that. I did a poor job of taking pictures while visiting RobertCaldwell, but in the attached, you can just get a glimpse of his curvedseat. In case you want more pics, here's Robert's email: caldwrl(at)etex.net It looked VERY comfortable!Gary-----Original Message-----