Original Posted By: "Three-Wire"
Yes there are two timken bearings and a isolator ring seperating the crank fromthe prop spindle.The wing is riblet 612...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introductions
Pietenpol-List: Introductions
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Ladies & Gentlemen,Ive been reading the posts of this group for a couple of years now and think itstime to introduce myself. My wife and I have each wanted to build an airplanesince before we met and settled on a Piet as hopefully our first of several.Last year we bought Ken Heides project to give ourselves a head-start on thePiet but life intervened and we havent been able to make any progress sincebringing it home.Now my A&P schooling is done, work is stable for the time being, were perilouslyclose to owning a house in an airpark outside of Wichita, and I think afterOshkosh we can start clearing out our small hangar and turn Kens project intoour Piet. Weve been planning on tent camping at Brodhead Friday night through Sunday morningon our way to Oshkosh this year and Im looking forward to meeting some ofthe characters whose posts Ive read. Ive got a ton of questions about severalaspects of the Piet and am excited to soak up some of the knowledge at Brodhead.So this is my Hello, thank you for sharing the wonderful wealth of informationthat is on these boards, and I hope to be able to contribute some of my own experiencesover time. Thanks for listening, and I look forward to meeting youin less than two weeks.Rob HeapRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ladies & Gentlemen,Ive been reading the posts of this group for a couple of years now and think itstime to introduce myself. My wife and I have each wanted to build an airplanesince before we met and settled on a Piet as hopefully our first of several.Last year we bought Ken Heides project to give ourselves a head-start on thePiet but life intervened and we havent been able to make any progress sincebringing it home.Now my A&P schooling is done, work is stable for the time being, were perilouslyclose to owning a house in an airpark outside of Wichita, and I think afterOshkosh we can start clearing out our small hangar and turn Kens project intoour Piet. Weve been planning on tent camping at Brodhead Friday night through Sunday morningon our way to Oshkosh this year and Im looking forward to meeting some ofthe characters whose posts Ive read. Ive got a ton of questions about severalaspects of the Piet and am excited to soak up some of the knowledge at Brodhead.So this is my Hello, thank you for sharing the wonderful wealth of informationthat is on these boards, and I hope to be able to contribute some of my own experiencesover time. Thanks for listening, and I look forward to meeting youin less than two weeks.Rob HeapRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Yea, that will work good till I cover the bottom of the fuse ;)Skip> [Original Message]> WoW!! Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got quite anice way to relieve yourself...
> Lorin Miller________________________________________________________________________________
Yea, that will work good till I cover the bottom of the fuse ;)Skip> [Original Message]> WoW!! Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got quite anice way to relieve yourself...
> Lorin Miller________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress!!
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
>Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got>quite a nice way to relieve yourself...The relieving is not so bad; it's the cleanup afterwards that is no fun.Of course, I suppose you could put a disposable plastic liner in thereprior to the flight.Yikes! Mr. Pietenpol would be shakin' his head at all this!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, ORwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress!!
>Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got>quite a nice way to relieve yourself...The relieving is not so bad; it's the cleanup afterwards that is no fun.Of course, I suppose you could put a disposable plastic liner in thereprior to the flight.Yikes! Mr. Pietenpol would be shakin' his head at all this!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, ORwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress!!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress!!
Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Looks like the island of "Mits-fits" toys...!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress!!
Looks like the island of "Mits-fits" toys...!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress!!
Original Posted By: shad bell
Chris.Look me up at Brodhead, I will give you a Riblett ride. I also use a thrust bearingbetween the front main and the prop. With a prop extension a quick prop changeis valuable to find the proper pitch and diameter.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
Chris.Look me up at Brodhead, I will give you a Riblett ride. I also use a thrust bearingbetween the front main and the prop. With a prop extension a quick prop changeis valuable to find the proper pitch and diameter.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Hello to all! I have recently found my way into the wonderful world of the Piet, and I must saythat I am excited. I too am looking for a place in an airpark, or find a placewith enough land somewhere to allow me to build an airpark of my own.I am currently learning and taking everything in from this awesome forum, as Ilook to begin a Piet build with my wife once I return from my 7th tour to Afghanistanand settle down for good. I am even looking for a job at any of the kitplane or aircraft part manufacturing companies to learn more about design andconstruction.I am looking forward to becoming a member of the Piet family, build a beautifulbird, and join you guys one day at Oshkosh and other fly-ins around the US. Iwill thank you now for all of the help and support I know I will get from thisgreat community. God bless.Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hello to all! I have recently found my way into the wonderful world of the Piet, and I must saythat I am excited. I too am looking for a place in an airpark, or find a placewith enough land somewhere to allow me to build an airpark of my own.I am currently learning and taking everything in from this awesome forum, as Ilook to begin a Piet build with my wife once I return from my 7th tour to Afghanistanand settle down for good. I am even looking for a job at any of the kitplane or aircraft part manufacturing companies to learn more about design andconstruction.I am looking forward to becoming a member of the Piet family, build a beautifulbird, and join you guys one day at Oshkosh and other fly-ins around the US. Iwill thank you now for all of the help and support I know I will get from thisgreat community. God bless.Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Good to have you aboard, Derek! Are you going to be able to come toBrodhead, Wisconsin next week for the Pietenpol Fly-in/Reunion? It will bethe best chance you'll ever have to learn everything about Pietenpols.Where are you located (when you're not in Afghanistan)?Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Good to have you aboard, Derek! Are you going to be able to come toBrodhead, Wisconsin next week for the Pietenpol Fly-in/Reunion? It will bethe best chance you'll ever have to learn everything about Pietenpols.Where are you located (when you're not in Afghanistan)?Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "xTrainwrecKx"
A) You guys have dirty minds... we're gonna get along fine.B) This reminds me of when I took a female (and kinda pretty, for a girl, if your'einto that kind of thing) on a cross country training flight (in A-4's) to"Wings Over Hickory NC" airshow. Within 30 minutes of landing, SHE was taxiingby in the front seat of a Stearman. Just wasn't fair.I eventually got a ride in that Stearman, so all's well that ends well.See yous guys in a week or so. I'm bringing my first mocked up wing rib for critique.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
A) You guys have dirty minds... we're gonna get along fine.B) This reminds me of when I took a female (and kinda pretty, for a girl, if your'einto that kind of thing) on a cross country training flight (in A-4's) to"Wings Over Hickory NC" airshow. Within 30 minutes of landing, SHE was taxiingby in the front seat of a Stearman. Just wasn't fair.I eventually got a ride in that Stearman, so all's well that ends well.See yous guys in a week or so. I'm bringing my first mocked up wing rib for critique.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Tom, I have already had some laughs at the great humor and happiness as I havebeen reading through posts. I am already getting a headache from the hefty amountof knowledge available. I am looking to have a great time building... evenwhen I hit the frustrating points, and expect nothing less. Always good to havesupport behind you... or at least have a place to ask questions and seek answers.Jack, I am currently in Afghanistan until September... but am looking for landwith a place that has room to build our Piet. I don't care where the land is really...and if it attached to an air strip.. even better. I have had a roughfew years and am now looking to fly and enjoy my life with my family (and soonto be Piet friends). As of now, we live in Vegas when I am back home.I wish I could get to Brodhead and see all of the amazing Piets, styles and greatpeople. I have recently been in contact with Dick Navratil, and he is goingto try and pass me a couple of photos of the event. He is a great guy, one ofthe first Piet builders I talked to... and the one who, overall, gave me thePiet bug. I look forward to the journey.Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Tom, I have already had some laughs at the great humor and happiness as I havebeen reading through posts. I am already getting a headache from the hefty amountof knowledge available. I am looking to have a great time building... evenwhen I hit the frustrating points, and expect nothing less. Always good to havesupport behind you... or at least have a place to ask questions and seek answers.Jack, I am currently in Afghanistan until September... but am looking for landwith a place that has room to build our Piet. I don't care where the land is really...and if it attached to an air strip.. even better. I have had a roughfew years and am now looking to fly and enjoy my life with my family (and soonto be Piet friends). As of now, we live in Vegas when I am back home.I wish I could get to Brodhead and see all of the amazing Piets, styles and greatpeople. I have recently been in contact with Dick Navratil, and he is goingto try and pass me a couple of photos of the event. He is a great guy, one ofthe first Piet builders I talked to... and the one who, overall, gave me thePiet bug. I look forward to the journey.Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "tools"
Pieti, ill take you up on that ride! ive never had a ride in a piet yet......Ill be flying in with a rented 172Pieti Lowell wrote:> Chris.> Look me up at Brodhead, I will give you a Riblett ride. I also use a thrust bearingbetween the front main and the prop. With a prop extension a quick propchange is valuable to find the proper pitch and diameter.> Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Pieti, ill take you up on that ride! ive never had a ride in a piet yet......Ill be flying in with a rented 172Pieti Lowell wrote:> Chris.> Look me up at Brodhead, I will give you a Riblett ride. I also use a thrust bearingbetween the front main and the prop. With a prop extension a quick propchange is valuable to find the proper pitch and diameter.> Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Dan, You are very welcome. I can't wait to bring the family out to Brodhead andother events and meet you as well. We look forward to it. Tools, I will sadly not be able to make it this year... but next year is a forsure thing as long as nothing crazy happens. Hope to be somewhere in the middleof my Piet project by then, with some hard work and long nights. Thank you forthe hospitality.Ryan, as fun as it was.. it is time for me to rest and enjoy life. I am only 28,but my body is done... and my mind rarely lets me sleep. I am a hard worker,and have no problem learning anything new as long as it is something I enjoy...and have no regrets about my experiences in the Navy. MOS was Explosives expert(EOD) for the Seal Teams and Army ODA (Green Berets).Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mil5 ... ______Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:00:12 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Dan, You are very welcome. I can't wait to bring the family out to Brodhead andother events and meet you as well. We look forward to it. Tools, I will sadly not be able to make it this year... but next year is a forsure thing as long as nothing crazy happens. Hope to be somewhere in the middleof my Piet project by then, with some hard work and long nights. Thank you forthe hospitality.Ryan, as fun as it was.. it is time for me to rest and enjoy life. I am only 28,but my body is done... and my mind rarely lets me sleep. I am a hard worker,and have no problem learning anything new as long as it is something I enjoy...and have no regrets about my experiences in the Navy. MOS was Explosives expert(EOD) for the Seal Teams and Army ODA (Green Berets).Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mil5 ... ______Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:00:12 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Trainwreckx, Thank you for your service! You don't know 'Dangerous Dave,' do you? ;-)I hope, by now, you have checked out www.westcoastpiet.com. There's enoughstuff there to keep you going 'till September! We will see you NEXT year atBrodhead....Gary-----Original Message-----
Trainwreckx, Thank you for your service! You don't know 'Dangerous Dave,' do you? ;-)I hope, by now, you have checked out www.westcoastpiet.com. There's enoughstuff there to keep you going 'till September! We will see you NEXT year atBrodhead....Gary-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "xTrainwrecKx"
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Thanks Douwe.....the prop i have for it is a 76 x 42 cloud cars, well see whatshe does with that and adjust if needed. The final weight is 267 with the propadapter, i am trying to get all the pieces put together so i can verify my W/Bbefore i get too far along in case i need to make a new engine mount. Just needto wire up the electronics and run fuel lines and it should run.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Thanks Douwe.....the prop i have for it is a 76 x 42 cloud cars, well see whatshe does with that and adjust if needed. The final weight is 267 with the propadapter, i am trying to get all the pieces put together so i can verify my W/Bbefore i get too far along in case i need to make a new engine mount. Just needto wire up the electronics and run fuel lines and it should run.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "xTrainwrecKx"
Hey Derek! Glad to see that you found your way to the boards (or mail list assome insist)... purists... pfffft. You are in the right place for sure. Hangon to your hat!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Hey Derek! Glad to see that you found your way to the boards (or mail list assome insist)... purists... pfffft. You are in the right place for sure. Hangon to your hat!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Heya Gary, I do not know Dave... but I'd like to meet him, especially after seeinghis awesome Piet on here. What an awesome finishing touch. The worst partI have found about being over here in all of my years, is the fact that I cannotget on WestCoastPiet due to the base blocking the site. They also block anyvideo... so I can't even watch these beauties fly or even hear the engines.K5YAC, Thank you for having me... I am here for the long haul.The hardest time I am having is deciding what engine to run with that is good forCross Country with my wife and I, as we would like to spread the Piet love.I was looking at the Rotec 2800 (a little pricey but oh so beautiful!), the ModelA, and the Corvair setup. I found a Model A for a good price, but don't wantto snag it if it is not up to the task. Any suggestions?Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Heya Gary, I do not know Dave... but I'd like to meet him, especially after seeinghis awesome Piet on here. What an awesome finishing touch. The worst partI have found about being over here in all of my years, is the fact that I cannotget on WestCoastPiet due to the base blocking the site. They also block anyvideo... so I can't even watch these beauties fly or even hear the engines.K5YAC, Thank you for having me... I am here for the long haul.The hardest time I am having is deciding what engine to run with that is good forCross Country with my wife and I, as we would like to spread the Piet love.I was looking at the Rotec 2800 (a little pricey but oh so beautiful!), the ModelA, and the Corvair setup. I found a Model A for a good price, but don't wantto snag it if it is not up to the task. Any suggestions?Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Derek,Send me your APO/FPO address and I will send you a DVD with a load of Piet videosand other such goodies.You can send your address to-jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail(dot)comI was in the better part of Naval Aviation for 10 and 1/2 years- Marine Aviation!;0)I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for your service.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:58:50 -0400
Derek,Send me your APO/FPO address and I will send you a DVD with a load of Piet videosand other such goodies.You can send your address to-jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail(dot)comI was in the better part of Naval Aviation for 10 and 1/2 years- Marine Aviation!;0)I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for your service.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:58:50 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Chris's Mitubishi
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Chris's Mitubishi
Original Posted By: "Chris Rusch"
And it begins! Derek, you've managed to pour fuel on one of the many never endingdebates on your first try. Way to go! LOL!www.flycorvair.com--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Chris's Mitubishi
And it begins! Derek, you've managed to pour fuel on one of the many never endingdebates on your first try. Way to go! LOL!www.flycorvair.com--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Chris's Mitubishi
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Hi Jack, I appreciate the offer! I'm 5'-11" 175. I'll see if I can find a young female to bring with as well See you at Brodhead!;)-Glenn--------This e-mail was written using 100% post-consumer recycled data. Please considerthe environment and recycle this data after use.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Hi Jack, I appreciate the offer!
I'm 5'-11" 175. I'll see if I can find a young female to bring with as well See you at Brodhead!;)-Glenn--------This e-mail was written using 100% post-consumer recycled data. Please considerthe environment and recycle this data after use.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: IntroductionsOriginal Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Jack - I'll deal with you next week! Figure all I have to do is grab you by thefinger, 'till you say "Uncle!"Derek - I'm running my Corvair on the airframe for the first time, this weekend,and will be posting a video. You will note extra heavy tiedowns as I don't wantthat fuselage to break loose under the shear power of a screaming, 6 cyl Corvair!GarySent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
Jack - I'll deal with you next week! Figure all I have to do is grab you by thefinger, 'till you say "Uncle!"Derek - I'm running my Corvair on the airframe for the first time, this weekend,and will be posting a video. You will note extra heavy tiedowns as I don't wantthat fuselage to break loose under the shear power of a screaming, 6 cyl Corvair!GarySent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Amsafetyc, GWP... CAA...???? I am now lost. Haha. The Lycoming sounds nice.. postpics when you can. This is so fun, I love the friendship. Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Amsafetyc, GWP... CAA...???? I am now lost. Haha. The Lycoming sounds nice.. postpics when you can. This is so fun, I love the friendship. Very respectfully,DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Trainwreck,GWP is "The Great Waldo Pepper." This movie is the meaning of life and can be used to guide you in any situation. I believe Dan Helsper has the original copy side-by-side in a sealed jar with the Lost Papers of Bernard Pietenpol.For example and one the may help you:How do you deal with Arabs?"Throw sand in their face, it'll blind them?"Do you have issues with Tobacco?"Waldo! They're smoking!" Then you smack 'em with a 2x4.Dealing with practice wives and wimmin in general:"I knew she wasn't worth top billing."Calming and angry co-worker:"Smile son! Never disconcert the masses!"So let it be written, so let it be done.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jul 14, 2011, at 1:23 PM, xTrainwrecKx wrote:> > Amsafetyc, GWP... CAA...???? I am now lost. Haha. The Lycoming sounds nice.. post pics when you can. > > This is so fun, I love the friendship. > > Very respectfully,> Derek> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 360#346360> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:58:26 -0400
Trainwreck,GWP is "The Great Waldo Pepper." This movie is the meaning of life and can be used to guide you in any situation. I believe Dan Helsper has the original copy side-by-side in a sealed jar with the Lost Papers of Bernard Pietenpol.For example and one the may help you:How do you deal with Arabs?"Throw sand in their face, it'll blind them?"Do you have issues with Tobacco?"Waldo! They're smoking!" Then you smack 'em with a 2x4.Dealing with practice wives and wimmin in general:"I knew she wasn't worth top billing."Calming and angry co-worker:"Smile son! Never disconcert the masses!"So let it be written, so let it be done.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jul 14, 2011, at 1:23 PM, xTrainwrecKx wrote:> > Amsafetyc, GWP... CAA...???? I am now lost. Haha. The Lycoming sounds nice.. post pics when you can. > > This is so fun, I love the friendship. > > Very respectfully,> Derek> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 360#346360> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:58:26 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I'll see what I can do, Ken. Or you can order it yourself from:http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast-----Original Message-----
I'll see what I can do, Ken. Or you can order it yourself from:http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:> and took every opportunity to say, I knew it wouldnt start!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:> and took every opportunity to say, I knew it wouldnt start!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Since the topic has drifted from introductions to engine choices, for whateverit might be worth, I witnessed a homebuilt aircraft crash just after takeoff thisafternoon, and it was powered by--- wait for it--- a Continental C-65. Sothe idea that "real" aircraft engines are somehow better/safer/more reliablethan converted auto engines doesn't hold a lot of water with me right now. "Real"airplane can engines fail too....The plane was a Zenith CH-601 (or 701, not sure), was losing power and didn't soundright. It was mushing along about 30 to 40 degrees nose-high, and steadilylosing altitude. When the pilot realized he wasn't going to clear the houseand trees across the street from the end of the runway, he switched off themags and intentionally pancaked it, nose first, into the grass at the end of theend of the runway from about 40-50' AGL. He was less than 100 feet from crossingthe fence at the north end of the field. The pilot and passenger wereable to walk away, but taken by ambulance to the local hospital to be checkedout. It will be a LONG time before that plane flies again, if ever.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Since the topic has drifted from introductions to engine choices, for whateverit might be worth, I witnessed a homebuilt aircraft crash just after takeoff thisafternoon, and it was powered by--- wait for it--- a Continental C-65. Sothe idea that "real" aircraft engines are somehow better/safer/more reliablethan converted auto engines doesn't hold a lot of water with me right now. "Real"airplane can engines fail too....The plane was a Zenith CH-601 (or 701, not sure), was losing power and didn't soundright. It was mushing along about 30 to 40 degrees nose-high, and steadilylosing altitude. When the pilot realized he wasn't going to clear the houseand trees across the street from the end of the runway, he switched off themags and intentionally pancaked it, nose first, into the grass at the end of theend of the runway from about 40-50' AGL. He was less than 100 feet from crossingthe fence at the north end of the field. The pilot and passenger wereable to walk away, but taken by ambulance to the local hospital to be checkedout. It will be a LONG time before that plane flies again, if ever.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Well, which was it? The 601 is designed for 65 - 115 hp and is a nicelooking airplane. The 701 is designed for 80 - 120 hp and looks like thebox a Sonex came in. If it was a 701 it would be pretty underpowered withan A65 in it.Sounds like the engine was making power, just not enough of it. A lot ofquestions need to be answered before you go and blame the engine.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, VirginiaVery Defensive of his Continentals-----Original Message-----
Well, which was it? The 601 is designed for 65 - 115 hp and is a nicelooking airplane. The 701 is designed for 80 - 120 hp and looks like thebox a Sonex came in. If it was a 701 it would be pretty underpowered withan A65 in it.Sounds like the engine was making power, just not enough of it. A lot ofquestions need to be answered before you go and blame the engine.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, VirginiaVery Defensive of his Continentals-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Well, it wasn't the prettiest design I've ever seen, it was a side by side 2 placehigh wing STOL design, and definitely C-65 powered. The pilot didn't seemto be in the mood to answer a bunch of questions about which model of Zenithit was when I and a bunch of other witnesses went to check on him and his passenger.This plane had no problems climbing out on previous flights earlier inthe day while I was there, so I don't think it was underpowered with the C-65.The engine definitely sounded not up to snuff, and was not running as it shouldhave been on that takeoff attempt. The runway there is paved, 3050 ft long,and he taxied all the way to the south end of runway 36 to begin his takeoffrun, and never got over about 80 feet high. By the time he passed the hangerI was standing in directly adjacent to the north end of the paved part of runway36 he was at about 60 feet AGL, losing altitude and on the verge of stalling.We all thought at first he was demonstrating the slow-flight characteristicsof the plane when we all realized the engine sounded sick and he was losingaltitude. Engine failed, plain and simple. End result- gravity 1, "real"airplane engine 0.In my opinion, the pilot probably should have aborted the takeoff a lot earlierthan he did, regardless of engine type, and try to figure out the problem onthe ground instead of substantially bending up his airplane. With over 3000'of runway available, he had time to land a lot earlier than he did.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:06:20 -0400
Well, it wasn't the prettiest design I've ever seen, it was a side by side 2 placehigh wing STOL design, and definitely C-65 powered. The pilot didn't seemto be in the mood to answer a bunch of questions about which model of Zenithit was when I and a bunch of other witnesses went to check on him and his passenger.This plane had no problems climbing out on previous flights earlier inthe day while I was there, so I don't think it was underpowered with the C-65.The engine definitely sounded not up to snuff, and was not running as it shouldhave been on that takeoff attempt. The runway there is paved, 3050 ft long,and he taxied all the way to the south end of runway 36 to begin his takeoffrun, and never got over about 80 feet high. By the time he passed the hangerI was standing in directly adjacent to the north end of the paved part of runway36 he was at about 60 feet AGL, losing altitude and on the verge of stalling.We all thought at first he was demonstrating the slow-flight characteristicsof the plane when we all realized the engine sounded sick and he was losingaltitude. Engine failed, plain and simple. End result- gravity 1, "real"airplane engine 0.In my opinion, the pilot probably should have aborted the takeoff a lot earlierthan he did, regardless of engine type, and try to figure out the problem onthe ground instead of substantially bending up his airplane. With over 3000'of runway available, he had time to land a lot earlier than he did.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:06:20 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Definitely sounds like a 701 (the 601 is low wing), and the 701 is designedto have a Rotax 912 engine of 80 hp so it would be considerably underpoweredwith an A65 (there is no C-65). If the builder put the wrong engine in it,who's to say how well he prepared that engine. Continentals are reliable,but they can be screwed up just as well as any other engine by poormaintenance or a plugged vent in a fuel system or anything else. I wouldn'tjump to conclusions yet until the NTSB figures out the cause of theaccident. A true engine failure (such as a broken crankshaft) would typically causethe engine to quit completely. Of course it could be a stuck valve, whichwould cause a loss of power, but with that much runway he should haverealized the loss of power and aborted the takeoff.Continentals can and will fail for various reasons, but overall they arevery reliable engines.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Definitely sounds like a 701 (the 601 is low wing), and the 701 is designedto have a Rotax 912 engine of 80 hp so it would be considerably underpoweredwith an A65 (there is no C-65). If the builder put the wrong engine in it,who's to say how well he prepared that engine. Continentals are reliable,but they can be screwed up just as well as any other engine by poormaintenance or a plugged vent in a fuel system or anything else. I wouldn'tjump to conclusions yet until the NTSB figures out the cause of theaccident. A true engine failure (such as a broken crankshaft) would typically causethe engine to quit completely. Of course it could be a stuck valve, whichwould cause a loss of power, but with that much runway he should haverealized the loss of power and aborted the takeoff.Continentals can and will fail for various reasons, but overall they arevery reliable engines.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Met one of your old Brodhead friends today
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Still time to do it this year, Ben. Come on up to Virginia and fly withMatt Paxton and me. We're planning to leave Tuesday morning and arrive byearly afternoon Wednesday in Brodhead.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Still time to do it this year, Ben. Come on up to Virginia and fly withMatt Paxton and me. We're planning to leave Tuesday morning and arrive byearly afternoon Wednesday in Brodhead.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: mark lee
You are correct, it was an A-65 and not a C-65, that was a typo on my part. Butwhatever the case, this pilot's day didn't end well when he made the decisionto try to continue the flight with a faltering engine. You pay your money andtake your chances, whatever engine you choose. I only make the point thatContinental engines can fail just like any other engine, or mechanical devicein general, no matter how staunchly defended they might be. But hey, at leasthis crank didn't snap before the ground rose up rapidly to meet him...--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:49:23 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
You are correct, it was an A-65 and not a C-65, that was a typo on my part. Butwhatever the case, this pilot's day didn't end well when he made the decisionto try to continue the flight with a faltering engine. You pay your money andtake your chances, whatever engine you choose. I only make the point thatContinental engines can fail just like any other engine, or mechanical devicein general, no matter how staunchly defended they might be. But hey, at leasthis crank didn't snap before the ground rose up rapidly to meet him...--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:49:23 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Original Posted By: "xTrainwrecKx"
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted> > by: "tools" > > > > Anybody up for a drive in my girlfriend's Audi TT for a> > ride in ANYTHING with wings? Just sayin... > > > > Who knows, maybe I already gave some of you rides in one of> > my light twins (757's, MD 88's, Saab 340's) or maybe the> > heavier twin (767-300ER)?> > > > And I'm really not above groveling. However, I> > understand tactically withholding rides increases> > motivation! > > > > Cheers,> > > > Tools (wondering if I should clear this with her, hehe?)> > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 215#346215> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum -> > FAQ,> > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> > List Contribution Web Site -> > -Matt> > Dralle, List Admin.> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted> > by: "tools" > > > > Anybody up for a drive in my girlfriend's Audi TT for a> > ride in ANYTHING with wings? Just sayin... > > > > Who knows, maybe I already gave some of you rides in one of> > my light twins (757's, MD 88's, Saab 340's) or maybe the> > heavier twin (767-300ER)?> > > > And I'm really not above groveling. However, I> > understand tactically withholding rides increases> > motivation! > > > > Cheers,> > > > Tools (wondering if I should clear this with her, hehe?)> > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 215#346215> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum -> > FAQ,> > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> > List Contribution Web Site -> > -Matt> > Dralle, List Admin.> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions