Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Just got my plans today from D.H.P. .I was looking at metal fittings.Areall of these made from aircraft grade steel or do some builders usegeneric steel.I've got alot to learn. Mark McKellar________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittingsMark,If I were at your period of construction I would buy all four of Tony's books. Read every word in all of them, maybe twice, THEN order some materials and start your building. It would have been less worry to me had I read and understood some of those little critical problems. It's all there, all you need to do is read, study it, reread and read it again. It's a lot more fun building with confidence and you can gain that from those volumnes. Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittingsMark,If I were at your period of construction I would buy all four of Tony's books. Read every word in all of them, maybe twice, THEN order some materials and start your building. It would have been less worry to me had I read and understood some of those little critical problems. It's all there, all you need to do is read, study it, reread and read it again. It's a lot more fun building with confidence and you can gain that from those volumnes. Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "Mckellars"
Mark,There's no reason not to use 4130 (aircraft steel). It's available from manyplaces , and not really expensive. Aircraft Spruce , Dillsburg AeroplaneWorks, in Pa.If you're new to this, go to Aircraft Spruces website and you can click toget a free catalog ( I've gotten 3 so far) Lots of great reading.walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----
Mark,There's no reason not to use 4130 (aircraft steel). It's available from manyplaces , and not really expensive. Aircraft Spruce , Dillsburg AeroplaneWorks, in Pa.If you're new to this, go to Aircraft Spruces website and you can click toget a free catalog ( I've gotten 3 so far) Lots of great reading.walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittingsMark, I don't know where to get them as I got mine with a project from Joe C. His e mail is fishin(at)wwa.com. Give him a callCorky________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittingsMark, I don't know where to get them as I got mine with a project from Joe C. His e mail is fishin(at)wwa.com. Give him a callCorky________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mark, The Tony Bingelis books are available thru the eaa. You can order fromtheir web site at www.eaa.com.Corky was right on the money with that advice, you will gain a ton ofknowledge that will help thru every step of any homebuilt.CarlPlease visit my website atwww.megsinet.net/skycarl-----Original Message-----
Mark, The Tony Bingelis books are available thru the eaa. You can order fromtheir web site at www.eaa.com.Corky was right on the money with that advice, you will gain a ton ofknowledge that will help thru every step of any homebuilt.CarlPlease visit my website atwww.megsinet.net/skycarl-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "d. dale johnson"
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Original Posted By: Doug413(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittingsIn a message dated 2/22/01 2:54:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, mckellar(at)bluebonnet.net writes:> Just got my plans today from D.H.P. .I was looking at metal fittings.Are> all of these made from aircraft grade steel or do some builders use> generic steel.I've got alot to learn. Mark McKellar> > > Mark,I use low carbon (1020) cold rolled steel sheet from a local fabricator here in Wichita and have all the parts possible sheared to strips. For three ship sets I had them also sheared to length. Only even gages are available in this part of the country so for 13 ga I use 12 ga. the rest is in even gages anyway. For parts with profile shape, I had three sets plasma cut and then made three more sets by stacking sheared rectangle plates welding the stack at 2 opposite unused corners then drill, saw, grind some shape, and by then the stack is apart and they all match. I think ithis method is just as easy as working with the plasma cut parts. I am building a scout now . I believe there are some companies that sell steel parts complete, but have heard they are kind of expensive. I make all mine as close to the plans as I can and they all work and fit great. For parts made of tubing I use 4130 form Spruce because it's easy to get. I use .065 wall for landing gear strut. Doug Bryant Wichita Ks________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittingsIn a message dated 2/22/01 2:54:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, mckellar(at)bluebonnet.net writes:> Just got my plans today from D.H.P. .I was looking at metal fittings.Are> all of these made from aircraft grade steel or do some builders use> generic steel.I've got alot to learn. Mark McKellar> > > Mark,I use low carbon (1020) cold rolled steel sheet from a local fabricator here in Wichita and have all the parts possible sheared to strips. For three ship sets I had them also sheared to length. Only even gages are available in this part of the country so for 13 ga I use 12 ga. the rest is in even gages anyway. For parts with profile shape, I had three sets plasma cut and then made three more sets by stacking sheared rectangle plates welding the stack at 2 opposite unused corners then drill, saw, grind some shape, and by then the stack is apart and they all match. I think ithis method is just as easy as working with the plasma cut parts. I am building a scout now . I believe there are some companies that sell steel parts complete, but have heard they are kind of expensive. I make all mine as close to the plans as I can and they all work and fit great. For parts made of tubing I use 4130 form Spruce because it's easy to get. I use .065 wall for landing gear strut. Doug Bryant Wichita Ks________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: kgardner(at)odu.edu
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittingsMark: ACS offers 4130 in strips. various withs and thickness. Many ofthe steel fittings on the Piet are simple strips of steel with simplebends. This will save you much fabrication time. Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittingsMark: ACS offers 4130 in strips. various withs and thickness. Many ofthe steel fittings on the Piet are simple strips of steel with simplebends. This will save you much fabrication time. Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: Woodflier(at)aol.com
02/23/2001 09:41:59 AMMark,Tony's books are available through the EAA (www.eaa.org). If you buy allfour at once you get a decent price break. You should also consider joiningEAA if you haven't already done so; as a member you get access to a lot ofonline resources, including a searchable tech info area. Also, you gettheir monthly publication, Sport Aviation, which is both good for tech info& keeping your spirits up as you slog through your project
.Good luck!Kip GardnerLaboratory Manager, ODUDept. of Ocean, Earth & Atmospheric Sciences4600 Elkhorn AvenueNorfolk, VA 23529(757)683-5654Bumper Sticker of the Week:"When I Grow Up, I Want To Be A Kid!________________________________________________________________________________
02/23/2001 09:41:59 AMMark,Tony's books are available through the EAA (www.eaa.org). If you buy allfour at once you get a decent price break. You should also consider joiningEAA if you haven't already done so; as a member you get access to a lot ofonline resources, including a searchable tech info area. Also, you gettheir monthly publication, Sport Aviation, which is both good for tech info& keeping your spirits up as you slog through your project
.Good luck!Kip GardnerLaboratory Manager, ODUDept. of Ocean, Earth & Atmospheric Sciences4600 Elkhorn AvenueNorfolk, VA 23529(757)683-5654Bumper Sticker of the Week:"When I Grow Up, I Want To Be A Kid!________________________________________________________________________________> Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Hi Mark and welcome. On the metal fittings make sure you read the section in Tony Bingelas' books on bending across the grain of the steel before you start. I didn't and ended up scrapping my first full set of lift strut fittings!!!!! Not fun, Should have read first, not after. Actually I read the section, I guess it just didn't register. Ed G.>From: "Mckellars" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:56:06 -0600>>>Just got my plans today from D.H.P. .I was looking at metal fittings.Are>all of these made from aircraft grade steel or do some builders use>generic steel.I've got alot to learn. Mark McKellar>>________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Mark and welcome. On the metal fittings make sure you read the section in Tony Bingelas' books on bending across the grain of the steel before you start. I didn't and ended up scrapping my first full set of lift strut fittings!!!!! Not fun, Should have read first, not after. Actually I read the section, I guess it just didn't register. Ed G.>From: "Mckellars" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:56:06 -0600>>>Just got my plans today from D.H.P. .I was looking at metal fittings.Are>all of these made from aircraft grade steel or do some builders use>generic steel.I've got alot to learn. Mark McKellar>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: leadng edge 8-32 bolts
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
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Re: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
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Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "aussiegeorge"
I bought the CD, and lost a wife. So that logic does not compute. ;-)On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:> > Buy the CD, make a prop, get a wife?!?? Thanks, I'll pass. I've already gotone of those! > > That's beautiful. And the prop's not bad, either! Great job!> > -- > Dan Yocum> yocum137(at)gmail.com> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."> > On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:05 AM, "bender" wrote:> >> >> i recommend it..>> this is the result of buying this easy to follow set of instructions>> >> jeff>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 374#351374>> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propwife_402.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
I bought the CD, and lost a wife. So that logic does not compute. ;-)On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:> > Buy the CD, make a prop, get a wife?!?? Thanks, I'll pass. I've already gotone of those! > > That's beautiful. And the prop's not bad, either! Great job!> > -- > Dan Yocum> yocum137(at)gmail.com> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."> > On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:05 AM, "bender" wrote:> >> >> i recommend it..>> this is the result of buying this easy to follow set of instructions>> >> jeff>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 374#351374>> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propwife_402.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal fittings
Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Hi all,I just received my first batch of fittings. I got enough for six airplanes anda bit. If it's worth doing it is worth overdoing! Because of laser minimums itwas easier to cut out extra. I usually drop fold mutilate most things as a matterof course. The .032 stuff will form on a block of wood with a dead blow hammer. In the overdoingtradition I built an english wheel out of some scraps and an electricmotor. It works really well for fine tuning the shape. I even painted it. Paintmakes them think that you care. Let me see if I can figure out how to attach some photos.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/engl ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Hi all,I just received my first batch of fittings. I got enough for six airplanes anda bit. If it's worth doing it is worth overdoing! Because of laser minimums itwas easier to cut out extra. I usually drop fold mutilate most things as a matterof course. The .032 stuff will form on a block of wood with a dead blow hammer. In the overdoingtradition I built an english wheel out of some scraps and an electricmotor. It works really well for fine tuning the shape. I even painted it. Paintmakes them think that you care. Let me see if I can figure out how to attach some photos.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/engl ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Increase the wall thickness to no less then 1/8" (.125"). Axel will bend over timeif less then that.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Increase the wall thickness to no less then 1/8" (.125"). Axel will bend over timeif less then that.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
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Original Posted By:> jarheadpilot82
George,I got your Paypal posting. Do you know whether or not I will have to pay duty on the package? Also, I do not get paid until the 15th of September, so it will be another week before I can send the money out to you. I appreciate your patience, but if someone else wants to purchase and can pay sooner, I understand.I will talk to you in a few days.Terry HandOn Sep 5, 2011, at 11:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote:> Dear Terry,> > Along with your mailing address I need your phone number> > Thanks> > George>
George,I got your Paypal posting. Do you know whether or not I will have to pay duty on the package? Also, I do not get paid until the 15th of September, so it will be another week before I can send the money out to you. I appreciate your patience, but if someone else wants to purchase and can pay sooner, I understand.I will talk to you in a few days.Terry HandOn Sep 5, 2011, at 11:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote:> Dear Terry,> > Along with your mailing address I need your phone number> > Thanks> > George>
RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dan,You should produce Volume II and make a demonstration DVD to go alongwith the instructional essay.BrianSLC-UT
Dan,You should produce Volume II and make a demonstration DVD to go alongwith the instructional essay.BrianSLC-UT
Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Ken,It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there are no dimensions provided,but unless you have redesigned your elevator bellcrank, I don't thinkyou will get the travel you need. It appears from your photos that your push/pulltube connected to the bellcrank is located at the same level as the connectingtube that joins the rear and front sticks, and it also appears that youhave welded on the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be fairlysimple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel nearly as far as thecable attachment points, therefore the result at the bellcrank will not be thesame.You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a full scale mock-up ofyour stick/bellcrank/elevator horn arrangement and see what you get.bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Ken,It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there are no dimensions provided,but unless you have redesigned your elevator bellcrank, I don't thinkyou will get the travel you need. It appears from your photos that your push/pulltube connected to the bellcrank is located at the same level as the connectingtube that joins the rear and front sticks, and it also appears that youhave welded on the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be fairlysimple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel nearly as far as thecable attachment points, therefore the result at the bellcrank will not be thesame.You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a full scale mock-up ofyour stick/bellcrank/elevator horn arrangement and see what you get.bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead next year based upon OSKOSH see below datesGene, The weekend before July 23 would be a good guess based upon the schedule posted by EAA for Airventure dates FUTURE AIRVENTURE DATES: 2012: July 23-29; 2013: July 29-Aug. 4; 2014: July 28-Aug. 3; In a message dated 9/7/2011 2:49:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generambo(at)msn.com writes:____________________________________Anyone have the dates of next year handy? I need to bid for vacation for next year . . . .Gene Rambodo not archive st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead next year based upon OSKOSH see below datesGene, The weekend before July 23 would be a good guess based upon the schedule posted by EAA for Airventure dates FUTURE AIRVENTURE DATES: 2012: July 23-29; 2013: July 29-Aug. 4; 2014: July 28-Aug. 3; In a message dated 9/7/2011 2:49:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generambo(at)msn.com writes:____________________________________Anyone have the dates of next year handy? I need to bid for vacation for next year . . . .Gene Rambodo not archive st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Original Posted By: George Abernathy
Ken,Since you are modifying the arrangement from that shown in the plans, you needto ensure that your modifications will result in basically the same performanceas the plans-built system.The net result you are looking for is to ensure that the control surfaces willdeflect the proper amount based on normal control stick movements. The plans donot specify the recommended throws for each of the different control surfaces,and there has been some discussion about this in the past (check the archives).However, in the UK, homebuilt aircraft are much more regulated than in NorthAmerica, and the Light Aircraft Association has produced a set of Type AcceptanceData Sheets for each aircraft approved for manufacture in the UK, andthere is one for the Pietenpol Air Camper (see link below). Page 4 of the latestrevision of the Pietenpol TADS lists 20 up and 20 down for the recommendedelevator deflections. The number of degrees of deflection of the control stick or bellcrank arm is lessimportant than the actual deflection of the control surfaces. However, thelength of the bellcrank should be very close to the dimensions of the elevatorcontrol horn connections, so the deflections of the two should also be very close.I would suggest that you add the elevator control horns to your mock-up and seewhat your resulting elevator deflection is. I haven't built my control systemyet, so I can't provide personal empirical data but it seems odd that it wouldrequire the full use of all possible space to achieve the desired elevator deflections(if I understand you correctly, in saying that the control stick hitsthe seat front or back in order to achieve the throws you are measuring). Maybeothers can comment on that.Basically, every Pietenpol is unique - (some more than others) - and every littlechange can have numerous effects. Just make sure that you will be able to achievethe recommended deflections AS A MINIMUM. You can always install stopsto prevent too much throw, but you won't be able to add more throw if you havenowhere for the stick to go.http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... ER.pdfBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
Ken,Since you are modifying the arrangement from that shown in the plans, you needto ensure that your modifications will result in basically the same performanceas the plans-built system.The net result you are looking for is to ensure that the control surfaces willdeflect the proper amount based on normal control stick movements. The plans donot specify the recommended throws for each of the different control surfaces,and there has been some discussion about this in the past (check the archives).However, in the UK, homebuilt aircraft are much more regulated than in NorthAmerica, and the Light Aircraft Association has produced a set of Type AcceptanceData Sheets for each aircraft approved for manufacture in the UK, andthere is one for the Pietenpol Air Camper (see link below). Page 4 of the latestrevision of the Pietenpol TADS lists 20 up and 20 down for the recommendedelevator deflections. The number of degrees of deflection of the control stick or bellcrank arm is lessimportant than the actual deflection of the control surfaces. However, thelength of the bellcrank should be very close to the dimensions of the elevatorcontrol horn connections, so the deflections of the two should also be very close.I would suggest that you add the elevator control horns to your mock-up and seewhat your resulting elevator deflection is. I haven't built my control systemyet, so I can't provide personal empirical data but it seems odd that it wouldrequire the full use of all possible space to achieve the desired elevator deflections(if I understand you correctly, in saying that the control stick hitsthe seat front or back in order to achieve the throws you are measuring). Maybeothers can comment on that.Basically, every Pietenpol is unique - (some more than others) - and every littlechange can have numerous effects. Just make sure that you will be able to achievethe recommended deflections AS A MINIMUM. You can always install stopsto prevent too much throw, but you won't be able to add more throw if you havenowhere for the stick to go.http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... ER.pdfBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
Jerry Dotson wrote:> Dan,> FreeCad is free and a viable option. I don't use it so I probably can't helpyou get started with it. As with any Cad program the learning curve is prettysteep but if you are willing to spend the time learning it will be a lot of helpin the future. When I went from CadKey to AutoCad there was a lot to learn.> > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/f ... Main_PageI have been using IMSI Turbocad for years. While not free and older version thancurrent is pretty cheap. For the 2D version 16 it is about thirty bucks. Thebest part is that they have CD's that teach you how. Been a while since I haveneeded to watch one. Memory sludge serves up an english schoolmarm soundingvoice and the cursor moving to the various places to make things happen. You canstop it and go to the program and do what was shown and said until things click.For 2d the learning curve is about a day. 3d? Just get the nail gun!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Jerry Dotson wrote:> Dan,> FreeCad is free and a viable option. I don't use it so I probably can't helpyou get started with it. As with any Cad program the learning curve is prettysteep but if you are willing to spend the time learning it will be a lot of helpin the future. When I went from CadKey to AutoCad there was a lot to learn.> > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/f ... Main_PageI have been using IMSI Turbocad for years. While not free and older version thancurrent is pretty cheap. For the 2D version 16 it is about thirty bucks. Thebest part is that they have CD's that teach you how. Been a while since I haveneeded to watch one. Memory sludge serves up an english schoolmarm soundingvoice and the cursor moving to the various places to make things happen. You canstop it and go to the program and do what was shown and said until things click.For 2d the learning curve is about a day. 3d? Just get the nail gun!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
I received my set today. Absolutely beautiful. The finish is far better than Ithought they would be and the dimensions match the plans nicely. I like that theyare flat and I can bend to the size of my wood parts. I know a lot of folkhave condemed the bulk manufacturing of metal parts as each plane is different.Im sure there will be parts that will apply to. Im very happy with them andrecommend Georges parts to anyone. Its going to save me a lot of time and hassle.Thank you George, your payments on its way!Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
I received my set today. Absolutely beautiful. The finish is far better than Ithought they would be and the dimensions match the plans nicely. I like that theyare flat and I can bend to the size of my wood parts. I know a lot of folkhave condemed the bulk manufacturing of metal parts as each plane is different.Im sure there will be parts that will apply to. Im very happy with them andrecommend Georges parts to anyone. Its going to save me a lot of time and hassle.Thank you George, your payments on its way!Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
George,I am collecting pieces a little bit at a time, so No, I have not gotten the hingepieces together.Are you going to make multiples of the pulley brackets as well? Let me know ifyou do.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
George,I am collecting pieces a little bit at a time, so No, I have not gotten the hingepieces together.Are you going to make multiples of the pulley brackets as well? Let me know ifyou do.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I guess I don't get the rush to "get done". If I rushed anything during the 10 years it took me to build the Piet, it was the yard or house repair wok I had to do before I was finally able to go out into the hangar and thoroughly enjoy making each and every part (that I was capable of making) of my beloved Pietenpol. The whole project is "tedious" I suppose, but that was just part of the whole experience. If one really wants to "get done" fast, just go out and buy someone's finished project....... I'll probably get flamed for this.....Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________
I guess I don't get the rush to "get done". If I rushed anything during the 10 years it took me to build the Piet, it was the yard or house repair wok I had to do before I was finally able to go out into the hangar and thoroughly enjoy making each and every part (that I was capable of making) of my beloved Pietenpol. The whole project is "tedious" I suppose, but that was just part of the whole experience. If one really wants to "get done" fast, just go out and buy someone's finished project....... I'll probably get flamed for this.....Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I agree with you, Dan. It took eight years for me to build mine, but I madenearly every single part of it and enjoyed it thoroughly. Once it was doneand flying, I felt sort of lost - not knowing what to do with my time in theevenings. After a year I bought an RV-10 kit and have enjoyed building it,but not nearly as much as I enjoyed the Pietenpol. There's just somethingcool about finishing an assembly where you made all the parts. With a kit,you're just assembling parts some factory made and it's just not the same.Still, it's nice to have an airplane project in the basement.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
I agree with you, Dan. It took eight years for me to build mine, but I madenearly every single part of it and enjoyed it thoroughly. Once it was doneand flying, I felt sort of lost - not knowing what to do with my time in theevenings. After a year I bought an RV-10 kit and have enjoyed building it,but not nearly as much as I enjoyed the Pietenpol. There's just somethingcool about finishing an assembly where you made all the parts. With a kit,you're just assembling parts some factory made and it's just not the same.Still, it's nice to have an airplane project in the basement.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
With you, Dan! Funny what you said about the house work. I even abandoned akitchen remodel! All that's left is replacing the linoleum with tile, butthe raw edges of the old linoleum keep curling up.so I keep cutting it back,so we don't trip over it! My wife has had saintly patience.Gary
With you, Dan! Funny what you said about the house work. I even abandoned akitchen remodel! All that's left is replacing the linoleum with tile, butthe raw edges of the old linoleum keep curling up.so I keep cutting it back,so we don't trip over it! My wife has had saintly patience.Gary
Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
Hi Dan....why do you think what you said was going to "get you flamed"? Your readingmore in to it than what was intended. Our situation here in Australia isa little different to the USA. Materials are not as easily obtained and are considerablymore expensive than you guys can obtain them there. I dont have thetools to make the metal parts in an efficient way and being very time poor dueto young kids and running my own business, buying these parts ready made willmake my build experience more manageable than cutting parts out with a hacksaw.Im in no great rush to get this built but I know my current limitations.I love building with wood and have the tools to do this. I guess since im a tradecertified Watchmaker I could build all my own instruments and am curious asto why you guys didnt make yours if its so important to make every single part?George has gone to a lot of effort to produce CAD files for these metal partsand I for one appreciate his time and highly recommend his product. Lets allbuild with respect for each others personal situation.Sunny side up!Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Dan....why do you think what you said was going to "get you flamed"? Your readingmore in to it than what was intended. Our situation here in Australia isa little different to the USA. Materials are not as easily obtained and are considerablymore expensive than you guys can obtain them there. I dont have thetools to make the metal parts in an efficient way and being very time poor dueto young kids and running my own business, buying these parts ready made willmake my build experience more manageable than cutting parts out with a hacksaw.Im in no great rush to get this built but I know my current limitations.I love building with wood and have the tools to do this. I guess since im a tradecertified Watchmaker I could build all my own instruments and am curious asto why you guys didnt make yours if its so important to make every single part?George has gone to a lot of effort to produce CAD files for these metal partsand I for one appreciate his time and highly recommend his product. Lets allbuild with respect for each others personal situation.Sunny side up!Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
Original Posted By:
I agree Dan. The only time something got tedious was when I had to redo a partthat I screwed up. For me the journey has been a lifelong dream and now that Iam in the final stages of completion, I almost dont want it to end. I guess I'llhave to build another.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN----- Original Message -----
I agree Dan. The only time something got tedious was when I had to redo a partthat I screwed up. For me the journey has been a lifelong dream and now that Iam in the final stages of completion, I almost dont want it to end. I guess I'llhave to build another.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: bubbleboy
The last thing I wanted to do was be a discouragement for others. I realize that everyone's situation is different. Build on!! The best way you can!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
The last thing I wanted to do was be a discouragement for others. I realize that everyone's situation is different. Build on!! The best way you can!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Original Posted By: "Kenneth M. Heide"
Wow! ... that is a lot of weight behind the CG. I assume the rod with the springsattached is to trim the elevator?Why the elevator cables on the outside? ... just because?My Piet never had an issue with elevator movements as based off the plans, 1933Fly & Gilder Manual. Throw was good, no need to worry about stops either. Trimwas per hand input to the stick, very light.... to each their own.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Wow! ... that is a lot of weight behind the CG. I assume the rod with the springsattached is to trim the elevator?Why the elevator cables on the outside? ... just because?My Piet never had an issue with elevator movements as based off the plans, 1933Fly & Gilder Manual. Throw was good, no need to worry about stops either. Trimwas per hand input to the stick, very light.... to each their own.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Original Posted By: Gerry Holland
Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of external bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting that it's "to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane you are building.Larry W.=====================0A=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of external bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting that it's "to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane you are building.Larry W.=====================0A=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Hi all just put a you tube up showing how to bend the elevator fitting at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFMRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
Hi all just put a you tube up showing how to bend the elevator fitting at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFMRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Surely Mr Heide has a right to complete an experimental Aircraft designed in 1930 as close to the design as he can but with adaption in areas where he sees fit and suit his needs, certainly made in the 'spirit' of the plans. The only proviso that should get comment is a blatant error leading to safety issues.How tedious a Piet Fly-in would be if everyone had the same aircraft, same colour, same everything just because the plans said so. =46rom what I read and observe Bernard Pietenpol would have showed nothing but encouragement for a subtle adaption of his original design and would have given advice in a positive, glass half full way.Ironically today is a day when we remember a certain group of people taking heinous actions just to assert their point of view on the pretence of Jehad. What enthusiasm will this guy have to join in a fly-in now. I would hasten to think, very little!Enjoy differences! It's called evolution!Regards to all....even those who are a bit different.GerryNobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals.Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.Samuel Ullman________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Surely Mr Heide has a right to complete an experimental Aircraft designed in 1930 as close to the design as he can but with adaption in areas where he sees fit and suit his needs, certainly made in the 'spirit' of the plans. The only proviso that should get comment is a blatant error leading to safety issues.How tedious a Piet Fly-in would be if everyone had the same aircraft, same colour, same everything just because the plans said so. =46rom what I read and observe Bernard Pietenpol would have showed nothing but encouragement for a subtle adaption of his original design and would have given advice in a positive, glass half full way.Ironically today is a day when we remember a certain group of people taking heinous actions just to assert their point of view on the pretence of Jehad. What enthusiasm will this guy have to join in a fly-in now. I would hasten to think, very little!Enjoy differences! It's called evolution!Regards to all....even those who are a bit different.GerryNobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals.Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.Samuel Ullman________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
Original Posted By: George Abernathy
Well it's two in the morning here in Seattle and I appreciate seeing this video....I look forward to the parts and continued Pietenpol progress on this sideof the pond..... thanks George.....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
Well it's two in the morning here in Seattle and I appreciate seeing this video....I look forward to the parts and continued Pietenpol progress on this sideof the pond..... thanks George.....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gerry,Certainly Ken has the right to do anything he wishes with his Pietenpol. Ithink the only reason he was getting some flak was his insistence in callingit "to the plans" while enumerating a farily large number of substantialchanges from those plans. I personaly don't know of ANY Pietenpol that was built exactly to the plans,with the possible exception of Gene Rambo's "Purist Special". I've seenthat plane under construction and have not seen any changes at all from whatthe plans show.So build away, Ken. Just don't keep calling it "to the plans". Call it"close to the plans". Or just call it a Pietenpol.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Gerry,Certainly Ken has the right to do anything he wishes with his Pietenpol. Ithink the only reason he was getting some flak was his insistence in callingit "to the plans" while enumerating a farily large number of substantialchanges from those plans. I personaly don't know of ANY Pietenpol that was built exactly to the plans,with the possible exception of Gene Rambo's "Purist Special". I've seenthat plane under construction and have not seen any changes at all from whatthe plans show.So build away, Ken. Just don't keep calling it "to the plans". Call it"close to the plans". Or just call it a Pietenpol.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Jim,You could ask him. moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar, According to my notes from the master Jerry Thornhill (prop carving demonstrator at OSH) he says that the exact shape of the blades is not that all important, but again, according to my notes, he said that the thickest part of the blade should be about 40% back from the leading edge. If you were to watch Jerry carve a prop with the chainsaw method, he uses no airfoil templates. It is just by eye that he carves the first blade, and then uses a flat piece of lead to match one blade station with the opposing side. So apparently he is right, because he has had much success with the performance of his works.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Jim,You could ask him. moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar, According to my notes from the master Jerry Thornhill (prop carving demonstrator at OSH) he says that the exact shape of the blades is not that all important, but again, according to my notes, he said that the thickest part of the blade should be about 40% back from the leading edge. If you were to watch Jerry carve a prop with the chainsaw method, he uses no airfoil templates. It is just by eye that he carves the first blade, and then uses a flat piece of lead to match one blade station with the opposing side. So apparently he is right, because he has had much success with the performance of his works.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Original Posted By: "dwilson"
What Gerry said. I agree with Ken too. My Piet is certainly not to plans. Minehas some dihedral in the wing, an O-235 Lycoming, a handicap step, covering withdacron not Grade A, brakes, a tailwheel, a battery, elevator trim and the listgoes on.Now that said I love our little group and would like to see harmony among us. I come to this forum several times a day just to see what some proud Pietenpol builder/flier has posted. Maybe a picture of their flying airplane orjust simply a picture of#1 rib, maybe a stack of ribs. I take great pleasurelooking at all the pictures whether they are building to plans or not! I willnot sit in judgment of anyone.God please bless America........... we need it--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009now covering21" wheelsLycoming O-235Jay Anderson CloudCars propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
What Gerry said. I agree with Ken too. My Piet is certainly not to plans. Minehas some dihedral in the wing, an O-235 Lycoming, a handicap step, covering withdacron not Grade A, brakes, a tailwheel, a battery, elevator trim and the listgoes on.Now that said I love our little group and would like to see harmony among us. I come to this forum several times a day just to see what some proud Pietenpol builder/flier has posted. Maybe a picture of their flying airplane orjust simply a picture of#1 rib, maybe a stack of ribs. I take great pleasurelooking at all the pictures whether they are building to plans or not! I willnot sit in judgment of anyone.God please bless America........... we need it--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009now covering21" wheelsLycoming O-235Jay Anderson CloudCars propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Here is an example I found that demonstrates how you can draw the Clark Y Airfoilfor any chord length. I made cardboard templates for each station, they areeasy to cut. I'm working on a set of templates that are made of .025 aluminum.I,m just using the drill press as a guide to indicate to me how much woodto remove at each station. I still have to hog out the wood with any methodyou desire. I will use the aluminum templates to measure the airfoils at eachstation. Jerry had a drill bit with an adjustable cutter that he used to drill the centerhole in the propeller. Anyone know where to find one. It was not a counterbore.DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/clar ... ______Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:40:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Here is an example I found that demonstrates how you can draw the Clark Y Airfoilfor any chord length. I made cardboard templates for each station, they areeasy to cut. I'm working on a set of templates that are made of .025 aluminum.I,m just using the drill press as a guide to indicate to me how much woodto remove at each station. I still have to hog out the wood with any methodyou desire. I will use the aluminum templates to measure the airfoils at eachstation. Jerry had a drill bit with an adjustable cutter that he used to drill the centerhole in the propeller. Anyone know where to find one. It was not a counterbore.DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/clar ... ______Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:40:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Jim,For shaping the airfoils at each station, I used Al Schubert's book, How I MakeProps, available at the EAA website. He has several different airfoils for otherengines.Gary-----Original Message-----
Jim,For shaping the airfoils at each station, I used Al Schubert's book, How I MakeProps, available at the EAA website. He has several different airfoils for otherengines.Gary-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "Bill Church" > > Ken,> It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there> are no dimensions provided, but unless you have redesigned> your elevator bellcrank, I don't think you will get the> travel you need. It appears from your photos that your> push/pull tube connected to the bellcrank is located at the> same level as the connecting tube that joins the rear and> front sticks, and it also appears that you have welded on> the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be> fairly simple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel> nearly as far as the cable attachment points, therefore the> result at the bellcrank will not be the same.> You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a> full scale mock-up of your stick/bellcrank/elevator horn> arrangement and see what you get.> > bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 665#351665> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "Bill Church" > > Ken,> It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there> are no dimensions provided, but unless you have redesigned> your elevator bellcrank, I don't think you will get the> travel you need. It appears from your photos that your> push/pull tube connected to the bellcrank is located at the> same level as the connecting tube that joins the rear and> front sticks, and it also appears that you have welded on> the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be> fairly simple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel> nearly as far as the cable attachment points, therefore the> result at the bellcrank will not be the same.> You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a> full scale mock-up of your stick/bellcrank/elevator horn> arrangement and see what you get.> > bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 665#351665> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________