Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:54 pm

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I know I am missing something very obvious ... but ...Unwrapping and inventorying the fuselage kit from Aircraft Spruce reveals 16 piecesof 1" x 1" x 25" ... AND ... 11 pieces of 1" x 1" x 37".Plus there is all the normal wood to build the "improved" 1932 design ...Are the extra pieces for building a stronger/heavier fuselage for a larger engine?An inquiring (and confused) mind wants to know

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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:12 pm

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Sounds like tail section parts. If AS&S hasn't changed the part list too much,the attached document should be helpful. I've copied the following text froma previous thread I posted a while back.-----I know this wasn't requested, but with several new interested parties on the boards,I figured I'd offer a list that has been very helpful to me. This mightbe published elsewhere, but it was forwarded to me by someone here (probably Markle)and I reference it often when trying to decide which pieces to use forcertain assemblies.The original list that I received was compiled by Bob McKinley. I think he musthave been one of the Ohio guys as there was a Buckeye Piet sketch in the margin,but I'm not sure. Certainly someone here knows of him. The list I recievedwas a scanned image of an old document that was typed up on a typewriter, andsome of the notes were difficult to make out. If I had that file I would offerit too, but I'm afraid I've deleted it, or at least misplaced it among all myPietenpol goodies.Anyhow, I used Bob's list to inventory my wood package when it was delivered. Itwas pretty close to right on... the spar thickness was different (3/4" insteadof 1"), and Aircraft Spruce offered a couple of additional parts in the tailsection (I've noted all of these on the new list), otherwise it is very handyin helping to sort out all the parts one might need to assemble this airplane,whether you choose to purchase a wood package or cut your own parts.All of Bob's notes are included in the notes section, but I've added a few of myown to this modern version too IN BOLD.I hope this helps some of you as much as it has helped me.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mate ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 for

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:15 pm

Original Posted By: "PShipman"
Oh, now I see FUSELAGE kit... I was thinking that you received the entire package.I'm not sure what items are included in the wood package, but the list shouldbe helpful none the less.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 for

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:25 pm

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Mark ... thanks much for the list ... all of the fuselage items are there but inaddition there are the short 1 x 1 pieces that I mentioned ... far more thancalled for ...Pretty sure these are not for the tail as the tail kit has the longer pieces mentionedin the list, not these short ones ...If nothing else ... we have some really nice extra wood!AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION

... the blueprints are not terrible clear on the wood/sizeto use to frame up the seats (other than the white ash pieces) ... can yougive us an idea of what to use there?Thanks--------Perry ShipmanLakeside, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 for

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:06 am

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I received a phone call earlier this evening from a girl named Angie Hyatt. Myfirst thought was, "ok, what are you selling Angie?" After she introduced herselfshe went on to tell me that she lives in Owasso (a few miles from me andmy project) and that someone had forwarded her a copy of my writing from theBPA Newsletter. Ok, now I'm listening! She said, "the man in the photo standingin front of the Scout is my Great Grandfather, Orrin Hoopman... do you knowwho he is?" I said, "well yes, I'm working on an airplane that he drew theplans for." She replied, "Oh? You are building a Pietenpol?" I explained thatI am, hence the reason that I was involved with the newsletter. She didn'thave a full copy of the newsletter, just the one page and she didn't seem tobe fully aware of what BPA is.Anyhow, she went on to tell me that her Great Grandfather (Hoopman) used to fly10718 to go visit his girlfriend. She said, "Most of my family is in CherryGrove, Minnesota... my parents moved to Oklahoma with the Army just before I wasborn." Angie's mother, Cathy Ryan lives just a few miles away in Broken Arrow,Oklahoma... the same town where 10718 now resides... they are going to gosee it tomorrow.Angie asked if she and her family could stop by to look at my project sometimesince we are right down the road. Of course I obliged. She added that her Grandmother(Orrin Hoopman's daughter), Bernie Finke (wife of John Finke) wouldbe here this winter for a visit and asked if she could bring her by to look aswell. I told her I would fire up the heater. Angie went to Brodhead in 1999 with her family and she said they had a wonderfultime, but she wasn't aware of the huge following for the design. I told herthat there is still a great interest in building and flying this design, andthat there is a fairly large group of people carrying on daily discussions anddebates about the very plans her Great Grandfather drew up.Anyhow... I'm certainly no historian on all things Pietenpol, so we exchanged ourinformation and agreed to get together this week to look things over. I didmention Chet Peek's book, "The Pietenpol Story"... she said that she has a copy,but has never read it. I said, "You should, your Great Grandfather and aman named Don Finke (maybe John's Dad?) are mentioned quite a bit."Very interesting and out of the blue phone call. This story is obviously stilldeveloping, so I'll post an update at a later time.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 fo

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:11 am

Original Posted By: "PShipman"
Perry, I see you have met Ryan, our resident "short fuse". LOL! But he is right,it is like a big puzzle. A LOT of things don't seem real evident at firstglance, or even second or third for that matter, but it's all there.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 fo

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:25 am

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
i must say that what is fun about this IS the big puzzle aspect of it! There wasa comment made that there was really a lot of buried information in the plans,etc. Sure finding that to be true. Every time I read back over a sheet Isee something new. Also reading the notes from the 1932 articles have a lotof insights. Must say that this project is like a great wife (I've been marriedto a great one for forty years ) ... every day this is something new to discover!--------Perry ShipmanLakeside, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:48 am

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Yes Jack, it is nice... and it makes the journey more interesting as well.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 for

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:17 am

Original Posted By: "PShipman"
Perry,After reading your question I took a look at the Aircraft Spruce website to seewhat exactly is included in the "Fuselage Kit", and all I could find was theproduct number and a price. Same for the "Wing Kit". That seems odd for two itemstotalling almost $1500. Funny thing is that the "Stab and Elevator Kit" andthe "Fin and Rudder Kit" each have a breakdown of the parts included in thekits, whereas the larger kits have no breakdown. Until recently, Aircraft Spruceoffered only one wood kit for the Pietenpol, which was supposedly all of thespruce needed to build the plane (minus the capstrips for the ribs, for somereason). I believe that the wood kit was based on the sheet that Mark posted.Not long ago, the individual kits were introduced, and the full kit was no longeroffered. On the Aircraft Spruce website there IS a disclaimer that says thatthe kits are based on a list provided to them years ago, and may or may notbe correct, and that it is the buyer's responsibility to ensure that the materialsincluded in the kit are correct. That sounds like a good rule to followwhen buying ANYTHING, but I'm curious as to how one is to verify the sizes andquantities if none are listed. In the case of the Plywood Kit, one really shouldcheck carefully, since the "Plywood Kit" includes 10 sheets of plywood, andthere simply is not that much plywood required to build a Pietenpol (unlessyou need to make everything THREE times instead of the normal two

).So, to get back to your question... without knowing exactly what was included inyour "Fuselage Kit", it's hard to say what all the 1" x 1" would be for. I wouldassume that Aircraft Spruce sent you a breakdown of all the items includedin your kit. If so, why don't you scan a copy (or take a photo) and post ithere so that we can see exactly what you got. If the "extra" wood really is extra,the question is "Did you pay for the extra wood, or was it a bonus?". Ifit is extra (as in "not required"), and you did pay for it, then why is it partof the kit?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the1x1 for

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:27 am

Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Bill,Thanks for the note back! I appreciate comments on the AS changes over the years.Do note that the "complete kit" is still available in the catalog ... would havebeen much more interesting if we'd seen it earlier in the process.As far as the manifest ... it clearly lists 1 fuselage kit ... with absolutelyno breakdown of items ... this is probably why I've always ended up broke ...never check those things.Anyway ... life is a great puzzle and that is why it is so much fun! Perry--------Perry ShipmanLakeside, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:44:04 -0500