Original Posted By: "pineymb"
It is a beautiful plane. I started thinking about building a Piet in July 2010.I also always wanted to stop in Sparta, Wisconsin to see the Deke Slayton museumon my way back from Oshkosh, so I did. Hanging from the ceiling was thatpretty plane. I told my wife it was fate. Now, a little over a year laterI've got thirty two ribs made, a fuselage framed, and the tail feathers done andhinged. It's been a good year. I'll try to post my own pics of the planefrom the museum when I get back from Ontario later this week.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radio ina Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be usingan external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous owner.Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/july ... __________
Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radio ina Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be usingan external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous owner.Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/july ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By:> pineymb
Adrian,My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down thereso most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmitbutton is easy to get to.Skip> [Original Message]
Adrian,My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down thereso most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmitbutton is easy to get to.Skip> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By:>> pineymb
I went to JoAnn Fabrics and bought a roll of Velcro. I have it attached to the fuselage side up and out of the way. I put the Velcro in several spots so I can also attach my intercom and iPhone to the instrument panel. It really keeps things out of the way.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Oct 20, 2011, at 7:45 AM, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote:> > Adrian,> My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down there> so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmit> button is easy to get to.> Skip> > >> [Original Message]
I went to JoAnn Fabrics and bought a roll of Velcro. I have it attached to the fuselage side up and out of the way. I put the Velcro in several spots so I can also attach my intercom and iPhone to the instrument panel. It really keeps things out of the way.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Oct 20, 2011, at 7:45 AM, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote:> > Adrian,> My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down there> so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmit> button is easy to get to.> Skip> > >> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By: Andrew Eldredge
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By: pineymb
I made a bracket screwed to the top of the RH longeron.The A6 clamps on with the standard A6 Belt clip, see pictureI use a head set and a stick mounted PTT switch.No external antenna, but could be added if needed.A6 is visible during flight and fully accessible to change frequency.Yet easily removed for storage or charging.HansNX 15KV-----Original Message-----
I made a bracket screwed to the top of the RH longeron.The A6 clamps on with the standard A6 Belt clip, see pictureI use a head set and a stick mounted PTT switch.No external antenna, but could be added if needed.A6 is visible during flight and fully accessible to change frequency.Yet easily removed for storage or charging.HansNX 15KV-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Michael,You can easily bend it, with a fairly tight bend radius. This makes a muchstronger joint than just butt-welding two pieces of aluminum. I turned myflanges to the outside, which resulted in slightly less capacity but waseasier to rivet. I think next time I would build mine like Jack Textor did.As Jack did, I riveted my tank together, then TIG welded all the seams andall the rivets.Then I pressurized it with the system you see in the last photo and paintedall the seams and rivets with soapy water. I had 37 leaks. Re-welded itand had 9 leaks. Re-welded it again and it has never leaked a drop since.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Michael,You can easily bend it, with a fairly tight bend radius. This makes a muchstronger joint than just butt-welding two pieces of aluminum. I turned myflanges to the outside, which resulted in slightly less capacity but waseasier to rivet. I think next time I would build mine like Jack Textor did.As Jack did, I riveted my tank together, then TIG welded all the seams andall the rivets.Then I pressurized it with the system you see in the last photo and paintedall the seams and rivets with soapy water. I had 37 leaks. Re-welded itand had 9 leaks. Re-welded it again and it has never leaked a drop since.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Michael,In general, whenever it is possible to bend a joint, rather than welding it, thatis the way to go. Welded joints often leak, bends don't.5052-H32 is a good, all-purpose alloy, with decent strength, good bendability,and good welding characteristics. It is the "go to" alloy in the shop where Iwork. In the case of .040" thickness, you should be able to successfully bendvery sharply without risking cracking. Do a few test bends to make sure first.If necessary, introduce a slight radius into the bend.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:22:40 -0400
Michael,In general, whenever it is possible to bend a joint, rather than welding it, thatis the way to go. Welded joints often leak, bends don't.5052-H32 is a good, all-purpose alloy, with decent strength, good bendability,and good welding characteristics. It is the "go to" alloy in the shop where Iwork. In the case of .040" thickness, you should be able to successfully bendvery sharply without risking cracking. Do a few test bends to make sure first.If necessary, introduce a slight radius into the bend.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:22:40 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
The "color" inside my tank in the first picture was simply the color of theposterboard I was using to make patterns from. You will notice insubsequent pictures the color had changed to that of 5052-H32 aluminum.A butt-joint is always the very last choice for a weld. It is the weakestpossible joint, and has virtually no resistance to cracking due tovibration. Only weld a butt joint if there is no way to do a better one,and plan for it to fail.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
The "color" inside my tank in the first picture was simply the color of theposterboard I was using to make patterns from. You will notice insubsequent pictures the color had changed to that of 5052-H32 aluminum.A butt-joint is always the very last choice for a weld. It is the weakestpossible joint, and has virtually no resistance to cracking due tovibration. Only weld a butt joint if there is no way to do a better one,and plan for it to fail.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Michael,The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to holdtogether for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First weldeda nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big uglyseam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep ithigh enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keepit high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days"pictures.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/phot ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:01:35 -0700 (PDT)
Michael,The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to holdtogether for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First weldeda nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big uglyseam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep ithigh enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keepit high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days"pictures.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/phot ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:01:35 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
The Cub tank is very similar, but it would not allow for the feet clearance thatis really nice to have up in the front.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet
The Cub tank is very similar, but it would not allow for the feet clearance thatis really nice to have up in the front.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
That Piet flew into Brodhead several years ago. I was amazed that the solid sprucewing struts did not have any kind reinforcement. Not even laminations. The cabane struts had chunks of wood missing at the ends; above the bolt holes.Not much there. Yikes!Pretty though!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
That Piet flew into Brodhead several years ago. I was amazed that the solid sprucewing struts did not have any kind reinforcement. Not even laminations. The cabane struts had chunks of wood missing at the ends; above the bolt holes.Not much there. Yikes!Pretty though!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: Jim Ash
I haven't searched to see how prone to cracking that alloy is- but when I mademy tank from Galvanized steel- I did it all from one piece.laid out the dimensionsand folded the front side up and a tab on it back toward the rear for thetop to lap over, the back and top then laid over it and the ends bent up withtabs on them as well. I screwed them all together and soldered the screw headsand joints.I did make a couple baffles and installed them inside with the bottomand ends of those held in place and screwed before laying the top down onthem.worked pretty well.Time will tell how it holds up - I figure anytime I canhave a bend instead of a weld or solder joint that's one less potential leak.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:51:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
I haven't searched to see how prone to cracking that alloy is- but when I mademy tank from Galvanized steel- I did it all from one piece.laid out the dimensionsand folded the front side up and a tab on it back toward the rear for thetop to lap over, the back and top then laid over it and the ends bent up withtabs on them as well. I screwed them all together and soldered the screw headsand joints.I did make a couple baffles and installed them inside with the bottomand ends of those held in place and screwed before laying the top down onthem.worked pretty well.Time will tell how it holds up - I figure anytime I canhave a bend instead of a weld or solder joint that's one less potential leak.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:51:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting>>> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage bythe previous owner. >> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.>> --------> Adrian M> Winnipeg, MB> Canada>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 547#355547>>> Attachments: >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/july ... 49_178.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting>>> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage bythe previous owner. >> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.>> --------> Adrian M> Winnipeg, MB> Canada>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 547#355547>>> Attachments: >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/july ... 49_178.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Original Posted By: Hans Van Der Voort
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting>>> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6>> radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.> Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by> the previous owner.>>> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.>>> -------->> Adrian M>> Winnipeg, MB>> Canada>>> Read this topic online here:>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 547#355547>>> Attachments:>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/july ... 49_178.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00523_176.jpg>>> http://www.matr &n -> &nbs -->> http://www.matronics.com/co================>>> >>> *>> *>>-- Andrew EldredgeProvo, UT________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting>>> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6>> radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.> Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by> the previous owner.>>> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.>>> -------->> Adrian M>> Winnipeg, MB>> Canada>>> Read this topic online here:>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 547#355547>>> Attachments:>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/july ... 49_178.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00523_176.jpg>>> http://www.matr &n -> &nbs -->> http://www.matronics.com/co================>>> >>> *>> *>>-- Andrew EldredgeProvo, UT________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "Don Emch" > > Michael,> > The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose> tank that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges> of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together> for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two> clam shells. First welded a nice pretty seam and had> leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam and> have never had a leak. One very important> consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a persons> feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high> enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital> camera days" pictures.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 591#355591> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg> > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "Don Emch" > > Michael,> > The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose> tank that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges> of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together> for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two> clam shells. First welded a nice pretty seam and had> leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam and> have never had a leak. One very important> consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a persons> feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high> enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital> camera days" pictures.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 591#355591> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg> > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
