Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:38 am

Original Posted By: airlion
sun n fun- wil only think of themselves and will- get rid of anything that looks like a disaster to the public.

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:38 am

Original Posted By: airlion
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything thatlooks like a disaster to the public. _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:38 am

Original Posted By: airlion
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything thatlooks like a disaster to the public. _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:38 am

Original Posted By: airlion
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything thatlooks like a disaster to the public. _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:38 am

Original Posted By: airlion
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything thatlooks like a disaster to the public. _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:50 am

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we could do the story the weekend before.thanksEd Wischmeyer912 665-2969________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:38 pm

Original Posted By: airlion

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:07 pm

Original Posted By: John Franklin

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:08 pm

Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
I added a tube at the top that os used as a step to get into the front seat. Didntcover the gear legs thoughBenSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 16, 2012, at 9:07 PM, John Franklin wrote:> > If you want to fill in the landing gear V's (like a Cub) how do you do it? Isit just fabric and do you have to have a tube at the top of the V?> > John Franklin> GN-1 / Corvair> Prairie Aire 4TA0> Needville, TX> > ________________________________________> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:28:09 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:29 pm

Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:26 am

Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear V question> > At the risk of muddying up the water without really knowing what I'm talkingabout, I will mention that I remember someone saying that > covering the landing gear vees would degrade the airplane's rudder > authority by adding flat surface to the side.> > Maybe we need a "Snopes" myth-buster for this list?> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 775#368775> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:35:19 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:46 pm

Original Posted By:> Jack Phillips Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are > fitted. Hope > to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You > should consider > joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fly in just > after Labor > day. Cheers, Gardiner> > > > > ________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:44 pm

Original Posted By:> Jack Phillips There you go, That's a story for kit planes, but I doubt it will > ever end up in print> > Hans> > NX15KV> Waller, TX>

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:56 pm

Original Posted By:> > airlion > EAA doesn't have any ties to SNF anymore. Its run by a corp. Sorry to have broughtsuch a bad memory back. I was there during the tornado > last year and bad weather on the Tues before is the only reason my > Piet wasnt in the "pile". Still , flyin there has been on my bucket > list since long before I bought my plans.....> Ben> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Mar 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" > > > > What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun? > > > > Steve D> > > > ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:53 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again afterwhat they did to the Pieten Pile folks.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:08 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:17 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happenedto them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were inthe process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to beloaded on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia. Theofficials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A privatecontractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft withforklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more damage than the stormhad done. Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the costof the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each ofthe Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to$30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up thefuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the stormhit) - a total of over 100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100gallons of fuel between them.Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.There, Peter - that's the story as I know it. I may have a detail or twoconfused, but essentially that's it. I think these poor pilots (who had noinsurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddilytreated by the SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt I'll ever go back there,which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:40 pm

Original Posted By: airlion

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:57 pm

Original Posted By: airlion
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n FunWhat is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun? Steve D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:00 pm

Original Posted By: taildrags
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear V questionOscar, a the risk of showing my ignorance, how much effect could it have? the LGare just about at the pivot point of the aircraft. Steve, "not an aerodynamacyst" D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:50 pm

Original Posted By:> airlion
EAA doesn't have any ties to SNF anymore. Its run by a corp. Sorry to have broughtsuch a bad memory back. I was there during the tornado last year and badweather on the Tues before is the only reason my Piet wasnt in the "pile". Still, flyin there has been on my bucket list since long before I bought my plans.....BenSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" wrote:> > What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun? > > Steve D> > ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:09 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks Jack,Not a good story. I wonder why it never made it into the public arena. Thisis the first I have heard of it.CheersPeter

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:31 pm

Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n FunBen, I went to the SNF site and the EAA is not mentioned, however AOPA is a Platinumsupporter. I will prod AOPA on this. If SNF is "attacking" aircraft owners,then they will not be getting my money. If AOPA is supporting someone whois "attacking' Aircraft owners, then I will ride them hard. When I get more infoon this I will be letting both my current EAA chapter know what the deal isand my previous one. In a way this is similar to blaming the victim of a sexual assault for the attackand making them pay for the police time and ambulance ride. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:34 pm

Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n FunI fired the email below to the author of this piece (http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-04-01_aftermath.asp)I will report the answer.Steve D ----- Original Message ----->From To mjones(at)eaa.orgSubject Question on Sun N Fun suing Pietenpol owners.Dear Ms. Jones, I noticed that you wrote an article called "Sun N Fun, the Aftermath".is the following true?Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, the pietenpol owners whoseplanes were destroyed by the tornado were in the process of salvaging what theycould and were preparing the planes to be loaded on trailers, which were alreadyon their way from Georgia. The officials of SNF made them stop and leavetheir airplanes. A private contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile,damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing moredamage than the storm had done.Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of theprivate contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the Pietenpolowners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000 each,for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by thethree aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit) a total of over100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between them.Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, butit will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.If true, then I think these poor pilots (who had no insurance on their aircraftas far as I know) have been very shoddily treated by the SNF officials. Frankly,I doubt Ill ever go to SNF if this is true, which is a shame because it wasone of my personal goals to fly to SNF.How is SNF associated with EAA? If the EAA is part to this then I will leave theEAA and ensure that all the members of my local EAA chapter know why.V/RSteve DortchEAA #: 556893 ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:13 pm

Original Posted By: Jim Markle

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:59 am

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By:> airlion sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that> looks like a disaster to the public.> > > ________________________________>

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By:>> Jack Phillips Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are >> fitted. Hope >> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You >> should consider >> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fly in just >> after Labor >> day. Cheers, Gardiner>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By:>> airlion > sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that>> looks like a disaster to the public.>> >> >> ________________________________>>

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By:> >> Jack Phillips > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > >> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are > >> fitted. Hope > >> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You > >> should consider > >> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fly in just > >> after Labor > >> day. Cheers, Gardiner> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By:> >> airlion > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that> >> looks like a disaster to the public.> >> > >> > >> ________________________________> >>

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By:> airlion sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that lookslike a disaster to the public.>

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