Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
This was just published on AvWeb:Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado willnot be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organizationhas paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals forthe costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected tosubmit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their owninsurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible forthose costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered thatway and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remainingbalance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill totheir insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "Atno time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay theirbill[s] directly.The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying thedecision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companiesrepresenting the owners could make arrangements was a business decision bySun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said theimmediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the paymentswill cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the mainbenefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastationthat occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for theentire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profitorganization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals whocarried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid fromtheir own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of thestorm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment forall to enjoy the following day."The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (theywere saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't haveto hire lawyers to avoid payment.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead W&B info
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead W&B info
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Hey Top C.I might be a little skeptical about the balance data. It did not seem like therewas much concern about getting the airplanes leveled. Could have just been methough. Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Top C.I might be a little skeptical about the balance data. It did not seem like therewas much concern about getting the airplanes leveled. Could have just been methough. Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs> My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged> $29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K> airplane.> > > > I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go > to Triple> Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year > and had a> blast.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > > _____ >
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs> My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged> $29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K> airplane.> > > > I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go > to Triple> Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year > and had a> blast.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > > _____ >
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead W&B info
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Very well said Chris. When all the flattening is done go back and reheat it andallow to cool slowly to prevent any hardening.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead W&B info
Very well said Chris. When all the flattening is done go back and reheat it andallow to cool slowly to prevent any hardening.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead W&B info
Original Posted By: Tim White
Glad to hear that Kevin. What I was watching might have just been a weighing thenand not a balancing.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:43:10 -0400
Glad to hear that Kevin. What I was watching might have just been a weighing thenand not a balancing.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:43:10 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated thatall the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilledby the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we didnot build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turnedout to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fitthose large tanks under the cowling
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright atall times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallonsto top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH andflying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing fromhis tank. Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for theweek. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all oureggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.BarryNX973BP _____
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated thatall the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilledby the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we didnot build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turnedout to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fitthose large tanks under the cowling
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright atall times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallonsto top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH andflying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing fromhis tank. Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for theweek. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all oureggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.BarryNX973BP _____ RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged$29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15Kairplane.I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go to TripleTree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year and had ablast.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged$29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15Kairplane.I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go to TripleTree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year and had ablast.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup CostsOh no! Camping at SNF won't be the same without you guys back there, we'll miss you.Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 3/19/2012 12:08:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, bed(at)mindspring.com writes:Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated thatall the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit those large tanks under the cowling All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained uprightat all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little. They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from his tank. Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put allour eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.BarryNX973BP____________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup CostsOh no! Camping at SNF won't be the same without you guys back there, we'll miss you.Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 3/19/2012 12:08:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, bed(at)mindspring.com writes:Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated thatall the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit those large tanks under the cowling
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained uprightat all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little. They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from his tank. Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put allour eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.BarryNX973BP____________________________________Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup CostsIMHO BIKIAR, then the EAA and AOPA need to know that we (pilots) are not as avidabout supporting SNF as we once were. This year if visitation is down they willneed to be told how this (possibly small) group of pilots feels about howthey were treated.The Bonanza list has published many letters about making sure that Joe Snuffy thelocal forklift operator is not allowed to run at your plane with the forklifttines. As we all know there are better ways to pick up a plane using strapsand wood blocks, not chains and forklift tines. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup CostsIMHO BIKIAR, then the EAA and AOPA need to know that we (pilots) are not as avidabout supporting SNF as we once were. This year if visitation is down they willneed to be told how this (possibly small) group of pilots feels about howthey were treated.The Bonanza list has published many letters about making sure that Joe Snuffy thelocal forklift operator is not allowed to run at your plane with the forklifttines. As we all know there are better ways to pick up a plane using strapsand wood blocks, not chains and forklift tines. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----