Original Posted By: airlion
Pietenpol-List: Lightweight vs medium dacron...
Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive> > Hello all..> > I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..> > Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..> > I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it.I now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, > and am hearing from some folk at my workplace that it's good for > the motor to put some sort of additive if I don't have the 80 > octane available. I don't care much for the smell of autogas, and > do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to just run the > 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance> > Larry (KLNC)> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 438#370438> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/n2308c_472.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive> > Hello all..> > I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..> > Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..> > I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it.I now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, > and am hearing from some folk at my workplace that it's good for > the motor to put some sort of additive if I don't have the 80 > octane available. I don't care much for the smell of autogas, and > do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to just run the > 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance> > Larry (KLNC)> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 438#370438> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/n2308c_472.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL AdditiveHello all..I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it. Inow have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am hearing from some folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sort of additive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for the smell of autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to just run the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advanceLarry (KLNC)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n230 ... =======<br" &n="======================________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL AdditiveHello all..I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it. Inow have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am hearing from some folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sort of additive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for the smell of autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to just run the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advanceLarry (KLNC)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n230 ... =======<br" &n="======================________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Real world gross wt/useful load
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Hello all..I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it. Inow have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am hearing fromsome folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sort ofadditive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for the smellof autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to justrun the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advanceLarry (KLNC)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n230 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Real world gross wt/useful load
Hello all..I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it. Inow have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am hearing fromsome folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sort ofadditive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for the smellof autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to justrun the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advanceLarry (KLNC)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n230 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Real world gross wt/useful load
Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Rob - I've got the Piet you're talking about building. I'm the manufacturer soI get to set the gross weight: 1200 lbs. You can set yours wherever you want.I suspect that there are lots of Piets that have flown successfully and frequentlyat more than 1200 lbs, though I'm not recommending that.My empty weight is 760 giving a useful load of 440. The one thing I truly wishI had is more fuel. It's got the stock tank. Not enough. I need 3 more gallons.The plane flies quite well at gross and flies enthusiastically with just me. Bill'sright about the physical constraints of the front seat limiting you morethan the passenger weight.Jack has flown more Piets than anyone I know of. He's very enthusiastic aboutthe simple, to-the-plans, short fuselage Hoffman aircraft. Plus he's an experiencedtail-dragger pilot and he's flown his own Piet a bunch and is very frankabout what he'd do different on his next Piet. Listen to the people who havebuilt successfully and fly a bunch.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Rob - I've got the Piet you're talking about building. I'm the manufacturer soI get to set the gross weight: 1200 lbs. You can set yours wherever you want.I suspect that there are lots of Piets that have flown successfully and frequentlyat more than 1200 lbs, though I'm not recommending that.My empty weight is 760 giving a useful load of 440. The one thing I truly wishI had is more fuel. It's got the stock tank. Not enough. I need 3 more gallons.The plane flies quite well at gross and flies enthusiastically with just me. Bill'sright about the physical constraints of the front seat limiting you morethan the passenger weight.Jack has flown more Piets than anyone I know of. He's very enthusiastic aboutthe simple, to-the-plans, short fuselage Hoffman aircraft. Plus he's an experiencedtail-dragger pilot and he's flown his own Piet a bunch and is very frankabout what he'd do different on his next Piet. Listen to the people who havebuilt successfully and fly a bunch.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
I sometimes add mmo to my fuel. Usually 2 ounces per 5 gal. There have been afew articles about the questionable benefits but lots of the old hands recommenditSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 10, 2012, at 9:55 AM, "TriScout" wrote:> > Hello all..> > I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..> > Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..> > I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it.I now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am hearingfrom some folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sortof additive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for thesmell of autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer tojust run the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance> > Larry (KLNC)> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 438#370438> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/n2308c_472.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:37:34 -0500
I sometimes add mmo to my fuel. Usually 2 ounces per 5 gal. There have been afew articles about the questionable benefits but lots of the old hands recommenditSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 10, 2012, at 9:55 AM, "TriScout" wrote:> > Hello all..> > I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..> > Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) foran A65-8? ..> > I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it.I now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am hearingfrom some folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sortof additive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for thesmell of autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer tojust run the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance> > Larry (KLNC)> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 438#370438> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/n2308c_472.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:37:34 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By: TriScout
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL AdditiveTCP has been used to prevent lead fouling for years. Here is a link to the maker.http://www.alcorinc.com/index.php/produ ... itive-qt/I have never used it. I put nothing in my 100LL When I fly with 100LL. I make sureI run as lean as is reasonable and run the engine up before flight and beforeshutdown to deal with lead on the plugs. I do this on my Early Vtail BonanzaE-185 (just a really big 6 jug continental) and did it on my O-200 Cessna.I run Autofuel in one tank and 100LL in the other. Takeoff and land on 100LLand cruise on Autofuel. Flying my buddies 65 HP Aeronca Champ, we try to run Autofuel. I get mid or highergrade, I have had problems with knock using the lower octane regular. (NoteOCTANE ratings for the old 80 octane avgas and for unleaded autofuel use a differentoctane rating system and autofuel has much looser standards than Aviationstandards. I have used Marvel when I run Autogas according to the directions on the can, notevery time, but most of the time. Marvel is really nothing but a light weightoil with some solvent and perfume. As for me, I believe.Note Autofuel is not near as stable as 100LL. 100LL is good for a couple of yearsin storage if not contaminated. Autogas can go bad (begin to separate) in aslittle as 3 months. Autogas can have many different formulas. When in doubt,I pump the autogas into my car or lawnmower.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL AdditiveTCP has been used to prevent lead fouling for years. Here is a link to the maker.http://www.alcorinc.com/index.php/produ ... itive-qt/I have never used it. I put nothing in my 100LL When I fly with 100LL. I make sureI run as lean as is reasonable and run the engine up before flight and beforeshutdown to deal with lead on the plugs. I do this on my Early Vtail BonanzaE-185 (just a really big 6 jug continental) and did it on my O-200 Cessna.I run Autofuel in one tank and 100LL in the other. Takeoff and land on 100LLand cruise on Autofuel. Flying my buddies 65 HP Aeronca Champ, we try to run Autofuel. I get mid or highergrade, I have had problems with knock using the lower octane regular. (NoteOCTANE ratings for the old 80 octane avgas and for unleaded autofuel use a differentoctane rating system and autofuel has much looser standards than Aviationstandards. I have used Marvel when I run Autogas according to the directions on the can, notevery time, but most of the time. Marvel is really nothing but a light weightoil with some solvent and perfume. As for me, I believe.Note Autofuel is not near as stable as 100LL. 100LL is good for a couple of yearsin storage if not contaminated. Autogas can go bad (begin to separate) in aslittle as 3 months. Autogas can have many different formulas. When in doubt,I pump the autogas into my car or lawnmower.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By:> TriScout
Small Continentals usually have the mixture control inoperative, either missing or safetied full rich. I run the same amount of MMO (inconsistently) in both my Cub (A-75) and 502Rocket (A-65) as Ben and have had no issues with lead fouling in either. I don't run mogas much (though we do have it on tap at the airport) as I find my idle inconsistent and it stinks. I don't "loaf" my engines either. No reason not to cruise at 2150 for the 65 and I usually cruise the A-75 at 2400-2450.Although I do have to throttle back to let the speed challenged Piets stay with me.Must be my svelte figure.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Apr 10, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote:> > TCP has been used to prevent lead fouling for years. Here is a link to the maker.> > http://www.alcorinc.com/index.php/produ ... ditive-qt/> > I have never used it. I put nothing in my 100LL When I fly with 100LL. I make sure I run as lean as is reasonable and run the engine up before flight and before shutdown to deal with lead on the plugs. I do this on my Early Vtail Bonanza E-185 (just a really big 6 jug continental) and did it on my O-200 Cessna. I run Autofuel in one tank and 100LL in the other. Takeoff and land on 100LL and cruise on Autofuel. > > Flying my buddies 65 HP Aeronca Champ, we try to run Autofuel. I get mid or higher grade, I have had problems with knock using the lower octane regular. (Note OCTANE ratings for the old 80 octane avgas and for unleaded autofuel use a different octane rating system and autofuel has much looser standards than Aviation standards. > > I have used Marvel when I run Autogas according to the directions on the can, not every time, but most of the time. Marvel is really nothing but a light weight oil with some solvent and perfume. As for me, I believe.> > Note Autofuel is not near as stable as 100LL. 100LL is good for a couple of years in storage if not contaminated. Autogas can go bad (begin to separate) in as little as 3 months. Autogas can have many different formulas. When in doubt, I pump the autogas into my car or lawnmower.> > Blue Skies,> Steve D> > ----- Original Message -----
Small Continentals usually have the mixture control inoperative, either missing or safetied full rich. I run the same amount of MMO (inconsistently) in both my Cub (A-75) and 502Rocket (A-65) as Ben and have had no issues with lead fouling in either. I don't run mogas much (though we do have it on tap at the airport) as I find my idle inconsistent and it stinks. I don't "loaf" my engines either. No reason not to cruise at 2150 for the 65 and I usually cruise the A-75 at 2400-2450.Although I do have to throttle back to let the speed challenged Piets stay with me.Must be my svelte figure.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Apr 10, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote:> > TCP has been used to prevent lead fouling for years. Here is a link to the maker.> > http://www.alcorinc.com/index.php/produ ... ditive-qt/> > I have never used it. I put nothing in my 100LL When I fly with 100LL. I make sure I run as lean as is reasonable and run the engine up before flight and before shutdown to deal with lead on the plugs. I do this on my Early Vtail Bonanza E-185 (just a really big 6 jug continental) and did it on my O-200 Cessna. I run Autofuel in one tank and 100LL in the other. Takeoff and land on 100LL and cruise on Autofuel. > > Flying my buddies 65 HP Aeronca Champ, we try to run Autofuel. I get mid or higher grade, I have had problems with knock using the lower octane regular. (Note OCTANE ratings for the old 80 octane avgas and for unleaded autofuel use a different octane rating system and autofuel has much looser standards than Aviation standards. > > I have used Marvel when I run Autogas according to the directions on the can, not every time, but most of the time. Marvel is really nothing but a light weight oil with some solvent and perfume. As for me, I believe.> > Note Autofuel is not near as stable as 100LL. 100LL is good for a couple of years in storage if not contaminated. Autogas can go bad (begin to separate) in as little as 3 months. Autogas can have many different formulas. When in doubt, I pump the autogas into my car or lawnmower.> > Blue Skies,> Steve D> > ----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
Original Posted By: Jim Ash
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >> >> Hello all..>> >> I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..>> >> Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) for an A65-8? ..>> >> I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it. I now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, >> and am hearing from some folk at my workplace that it's good for >> the motor to put some sort of additive if I don't have the 80 >> octane available. I don't care much for the smell of autogas, and >> do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to just run the >> 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance>> >> Larry (KLNC)>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 438#370438>> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/n2308c_472.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:24:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >> >> Hello all..>> >> I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..>> >> Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery Oil) for an A65-8? ..>> >> I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find it. I now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, >> and am hearing from some folk at my workplace that it's good for >> the motor to put some sort of additive if I don't have the 80 >> octane available. I don't care much for the smell of autogas, and >> do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to just run the >> 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance>> >> Larry (KLNC)>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 438#370438>> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/n2308c_472.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:24:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00)