Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: old wives talesI have to agree with Ryan Mueller on the Marvel Mystery Oil stories as I've been using the stuff in my fuel and oil in A-65'sin my old Champ and Piet since 1989 with no issues at all.You can't be adding gobs of the stuff but even if you did I'd have to believe it would still flow thru (even raw) a gascolator screen.The very best things we can do are drain, inspect, and remove and blow clean our gascolator screens yearly on inspection and thelittle carb screen on the small Continentals. This screen is often overlooked but it worth taking a look-see at especially if you seelots of crud in your gascolator screen.Water I think is the bigger culprit of any contamination with condensation on high humidity nights or parked overnight in a littlerain shower. Gotta drain the thing before flying for sure and take a good look for water.Mike C.The carb thimble-type screen is located right under that hex nut on the right side of the carb that is safety-wired. That screen isthe last chance department for filtering fuel before it sees the bowl/float area.[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CD1807.04F05770]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: Steve Emo
Hello good Piet-ple,I guess anything worth doing is worth over-doing... My welder and I were a bit apprehensive about steel-on-steel for the control torquetube, so i machined up a couple bronze bushings that snug fit into the tube.(I will be drilling a hole through the tube and bushing for a 3/16 bolt thatwill hold the bushing in place) You can see how the bearing surface will nowbe bronze-on-steel instead of steel-on-steel.Yes I know, it's overkill and this change adds a few ounces, but corrosion shouldnever be an issue and it's fun....!Having a great time with the project in general and little details like this inparticular...!High regards.......!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bush ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Hello good Piet-ple,I guess anything worth doing is worth over-doing... My welder and I were a bit apprehensive about steel-on-steel for the control torquetube, so i machined up a couple bronze bushings that snug fit into the tube.(I will be drilling a hole through the tube and bushing for a 3/16 bolt thatwill hold the bushing in place) You can see how the bearing surface will nowbe bronze-on-steel instead of steel-on-steel.Yes I know, it's overkill and this change adds a few ounces, but corrosion shouldnever be an issue and it's fun....!Having a great time with the project in general and little details like this inparticular...!High regards.......!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bush ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
It has been said one test is worth 1000 opinions. I have been using MMO for over a year plus and no problem. I used it to try to reduce the carbon build up, not anything to do with lead fouling. I like the test recommendation. I will also add a word of caution about nonAV gas. It has a max octane rating life of 6 months. MMO does nothing to extend auto gas life. I would ask if the J3 were using autofuel.SteveOn Apr 11, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> No offense, but that sounds like old wive's tales. Even if you pour it directly into the tank without adding the fuel, the act of taxiing to the runway and the vibration of the engine is going to cause agitation in the tank that should disperse the additive. And either way....MMO would have to sludge up pretty well to clog the input fitting on the gascolator....and if it didn't clog until it was in the gascolator, what would be so different about swirling around in the gascolator than in the tank? Just old guys telling stories for something to do....> > Ryan> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dick N wrote:> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well. I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a couple of crashes of J-3's using MMO. > The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and not alowing fuel to get thru.> Dick N.> > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> tp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:47:38 +0000 (UTC)
It has been said one test is worth 1000 opinions. I have been using MMO for over a year plus and no problem. I used it to try to reduce the carbon build up, not anything to do with lead fouling. I like the test recommendation. I will also add a word of caution about nonAV gas. It has a max octane rating life of 6 months. MMO does nothing to extend auto gas life. I would ask if the J3 were using autofuel.SteveOn Apr 11, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> No offense, but that sounds like old wive's tales. Even if you pour it directly into the tank without adding the fuel, the act of taxiing to the runway and the vibration of the engine is going to cause agitation in the tank that should disperse the additive. And either way....MMO would have to sludge up pretty well to clog the input fitting on the gascolator....and if it didn't clog until it was in the gascolator, what would be so different about swirling around in the gascolator than in the tank? Just old guys telling stories for something to do....> > Ryan> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dick N wrote:> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well. I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a couple of crashes of J-3's using MMO. > The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and not alowing fuel to get thru.> Dick N.> > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> tp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:47:38 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tony Bingelis on fuel systems, lines, 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________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Original Posted By: gboothe5
A "few onces" here, a "few ounces" there,......pretty soon it all adds up to real weight!! To quote an eloquent charactor from a famous, timeless motion picture movie,... "We don'need no stink'n oiling hole"! I don't believe my plans show an "oiling hole" there. Just a one-time greasing should take care of it. Stick to the plans!!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
A "few onces" here, a "few ounces" there,......pretty soon it all adds up to real weight!! To quote an eloquent charactor from a famous, timeless motion picture movie,... "We don'need no stink'n oiling hole"! I don't believe my plans show an "oiling hole" there. Just a one-time greasing should take care of it. Stick to the plans!!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Overkill...
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Thanks Guys..for all the discussion. I'm liking the TCP treatment option that SteveD. linked. It's shows FAA approved on the label, which kinda takes the guessworkout of it. I'm thinking even if I put about half the recommended additivein w/100LL, it's gotta be better than not putting anything in. Not that I'vehad any problems w/out additive so far, but the A65 was originally meant for80 Octain..LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Overkill...
Thanks Guys..for all the discussion. I'm liking the TCP treatment option that SteveD. linked. It's shows FAA approved on the label, which kinda takes the guessworkout of it. I'm thinking even if I put about half the recommended additivein w/100LL, it's gotta be better than not putting anything in. Not that I'vehad any problems w/out additive so far, but the A65 was originally meant for80 Octain..LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Overkill...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Overkill...
Original Posted By: "j_dunavin"
I like it! :DRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Overkill...
I like it! :DRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Overkill...
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
I like it, i think it looks awesome! :DRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:12:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
I like it, i think it looks awesome! :DRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:12:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)