Original Posted By: Rodger & Betty
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies>>Question of the day,> Currently I am planning on building a piet using>the '33 plans but with the wooden landing gear from>the F&G manual. My question is this: on the '33>model, the 2" ash cross piece, rear one, is in a>different location compared to the F&G manual. Should>the cross piece be relocated to match the F&G model or>left as is and just place the wooden landing gear,>rear strut, in the new location?>As always, any ideas are greatly appreciated.>>>Bill,>Ellsworth AFB SD>IHA#7>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.>http://im.yahoo.com>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:29:34 -0600
Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>Even better, LEAF sells plastic streamlined covers for $100 USD (I think)>for 4 10' pieces. I bought them and the work great to cover my 4130 round>struts. I have used a couple of blocks to attach them to the strut, but>they were easy to cut on the band saw.>>Ken>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 vistin(at)juno.com wrote:>>>>> Warren:>> Thank you very much! Have you heard of using round tubing and glueing>> something like wood to the trailing side and making yer own streamlined>> tubine??>>>> Steve>>>> writes:>> > >> >>> >>> > Got to>> > http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html>> >>> > and smile again!>> > Cheers,>> > Warren>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Steve W GN-1 builder>> IHA #6>>>>>>>>>>>>Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)>Calgary, Alberta, Canada>Christavia MK 1 C-GREN>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts>>Even better, LEAF sells plastic streamlined covers for $100 USD (I think)>for 4 10' pieces. I bought them and the work great to cover my 4130 round>struts. I have used a couple of blocks to attach them to the strut, but>they were easy to cut on the band saw.>>Ken>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 vistin(at)juno.com wrote:>>>>> Warren:>> Thank you very much! Have you heard of using round tubing and glueing>> something like wood to the trailing side and making yer own streamlined>> tubine??>>>> Steve>>>> writes:>> > >> >>> >>> > Got to>> > http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html>> >>> > and smile again!>> > Cheers,>> > Warren>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Steve W GN-1 builder>> IHA #6>>>>>>>>>>>>Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)>Calgary, Alberta, Canada>Christavia MK 1 C-GREN>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
> Here are the specs given to me by CARLSON AIRCRAFT on the 6061T6 struts.> > Large strut-71/8" circumference > .544 sq.in.> Small strut-5 5/8 > .431>> 6061T6 is equal to: Large strut > small strut> .544 sq.in. > .431 sq.in.> 42000 PSI-ultimate 23,289 PSI > 17,852 PSI>> 37000 PSI-yield 20516 PSI > 15726 PSI>> 27000 PSI shear 14971 PSI > 11476 PSI>> Large strut can be compared to,but is stronger than 2 1/4" dia. X .065> wall tubing-6061T6>> Small strut > 1 3/4" dia X .065 6061T6>> Doug Hunt>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:37:27 -0700 (MST)
> Here are the specs given to me by CARLSON AIRCRAFT on the 6061T6 struts.> > Large strut-71/8" circumference > .544 sq.in.> Small strut-5 5/8 > .431>> 6061T6 is equal to: Large strut > small strut> .544 sq.in. > .431 sq.in.> 42000 PSI-ultimate 23,289 PSI > 17,852 PSI>> 37000 PSI-yield 20516 PSI > 15726 PSI>> 27000 PSI shear 14971 PSI > 11476 PSI>> Large strut can be compared to,but is stronger than 2 1/4" dia. X .065> wall tubing-6061T6>> Small strut > 1 3/4" dia X .065 6061T6>> Doug Hunt>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:37:27 -0700 (MST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
The alum. struts are $45.(US) for a 10 foot length of the large size,nocover required.Doug Hunt-----Original Message-----
The alum. struts are $45.(US) for a 10 foot length of the large size,nocover required.Doug Hunt-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift StrutsKen:What diameter and thickness are your 4130 lift struts. Also does Leafhave a website/800 number.Steve writes:> > > Even better, LEAF sells plastic streamlined covers for $100 USD (I > think)> for 4 10' pieces. I bought them and the work great to cover my 4130 > round> struts. I have used a couple of blocks to attach them to the strut, > but> they were easy to cut on the band saw.> > Ken> > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 vistin(at)juno.com wrote:> > > > > Warren:> > Thank you very much! Have you heard of using round tubing and > glueing> > something like wood to the trailing side and making yer own > streamlined> > tubine??> > > > Steve> > > > > writes:> > > > > > > > > > > > Got to> > > http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html> > > > > > and smile again!> > > Cheers,> > > Warren> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve W GN-1 builder> > IHA #6> > > > > > > > > > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)> Calgary, Alberta, Canada> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN> > > > > > Steve W GN-1 builderIHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift StrutsKen:What diameter and thickness are your 4130 lift struts. Also does Leafhave a website/800 number.Steve writes:> > > Even better, LEAF sells plastic streamlined covers for $100 USD (I > think)> for 4 10' pieces. I bought them and the work great to cover my 4130 > round> struts. I have used a couple of blocks to attach them to the strut, > but> they were easy to cut on the band saw.> > Ken> > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 vistin(at)juno.com wrote:> > > > > Warren:> > Thank you very much! Have you heard of using round tubing and > glueing> > something like wood to the trailing side and making yer own > streamlined> > tubine??> > > > Steve> > > > > writes:> > > > > > > > > > > > Got to> > > http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html> > > > > > and smile again!> > > Cheers,> > > Warren> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve W GN-1 builder> > IHA #6> > > > > > > > > > > > Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)> Calgary, Alberta, Canada> Christavia MK 1 C-GREN> > > > > > Steve W GN-1 builderIHA #6________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear follies
Original Posted By: william hutson
HUH???????William, you REALLY peaked my curiosity now. I just spent an hour going overmy copies of the flying and glider manual reprints, with a magnafying glass,and for both the scout and the 'camper, THERE IS NO 2" ASH CROSSPIECE!!!!!!.Not in the text and not in the drawings.There is a 1/2" x 20 guage steel crosstrap in the scout drawings, which I amputting in as a 1/8" x 1/2" -- $1.49 1025 steelSince you are not the first to offhand mention something about it, do I havean earlier version??? I admit to never having seen the 1933 "improved"drawings, but my F/G manual reprints are only abot 10 years old (1932 forthe 'camper and 1933 for the scout).Are these tension or compression members???? Location????Inquiring minds wanna know !!!! (before they end up sitting on thier bellyon a runway ) (and at 2", for ash, just what are you going to land on them, a 727?????)-----Original Message-----
HUH???????William, you REALLY peaked my curiosity now. I just spent an hour going overmy copies of the flying and glider manual reprints, with a magnafying glass,and for both the scout and the 'camper, THERE IS NO 2" ASH CROSSPIECE!!!!!!.Not in the text and not in the drawings.There is a 1/2" x 20 guage steel crosstrap in the scout drawings, which I amputting in as a 1/8" x 1/2" -- $1.49 1025 steelSince you are not the first to offhand mention something about it, do I havean earlier version??? I admit to never having seen the 1933 "improved"drawings, but my F/G manual reprints are only abot 10 years old (1932 forthe 'camper and 1933 for the scout).Are these tension or compression members???? Location????Inquiring minds wanna know !!!! (before they end up sitting on thier bellyon a runway ) (and at 2", for ash, just what are you going to land on them, a 727?????)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: "Ed G."
I hear rumor that there is a place somewhere in Ohio that sells aluminumstreamline tubing for Piet struts. Can someone point me to the place.Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com________________________________________________________________________________
I hear rumor that there is a place somewhere in Ohio that sells aluminumstreamline tubing for Piet struts. Can someone point me to the place.Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Brian Kraut
Try....WWW.Sky-tek.com/struts ----- Original Message -----
Try....WWW.Sky-tek.com/struts ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
That is them. Thanks.Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----
That is them. Thanks.Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Hello I was wondering about using streamlined aluminum for the wing struts on my pietenpol,any comments, pros or cons.Thanks Larry VRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Hello I was wondering about using streamlined aluminum for the wing struts on my pietenpol,any comments, pros or cons.Thanks Larry VRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Larry,Many builders have successfully used aluminum struts on their Pietenpols. There'slots of discussion and info in the archives. The aluminum extrusions are definitelyless expensive than new 4130 streamline tubing, but different attachmentdetails need to be used, since welding aluminum can greatly reduce it's strength.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
Larry,Many builders have successfully used aluminum struts on their Pietenpols. There'slots of discussion and info in the archives. The aluminum extrusions are definitelyless expensive than new 4130 streamline tubing, but different attachmentdetails need to be used, since welding aluminum can greatly reduce it's strength.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: "bradandlinda tds.net"
Michael Hi.Regarding Aluminium against 4130 profile and strength.Is their any rule of thumb about comparative strengths.I would like to change my round 1/2" 4130 Jury Struts for streamlined and wonderedwhether aluminium would be suitable.RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:25:03 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Michael Hi.Regarding Aluminium against 4130 profile and strength.Is their any rule of thumb about comparative strengths.I would like to change my round 1/2" 4130 Jury Struts for streamlined and wonderedwhether aluminium would be suitable.RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:25:03 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: "Gerry Holland"
Hi GerryI have a set of Aluminum struts and jury struts, I picked them up from Carlson Aircraft in East Palastine, Ohio. I also picked up aluminum ends for the struts. I think the total for everything was about $700. It was worth every penny. They are for my new Piet, under construction at this point.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Hi GerryI have a set of Aluminum struts and jury struts, I picked them up from Carlson Aircraft in East Palastine, Ohio. I also picked up aluminum ends for the struts. I think the total for everything was about $700. It was worth every penny. They are for my new Piet, under construction at this point.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Thanks everyone for your replies. Dick I was wondering what size of aluminum struts you would recommend.Larry VRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks everyone for your replies. Dick I was wondering what size of aluminum struts you would recommend.Larry VRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: "Larry V"
My struts are 2.44" x 1.00". See them at carlsonaircraft.com .The struts are actually pretty cheap $63 each, its the fitting that are pretty expensive. I am going to polish mine and try to make them look like chrome.Dick N----- Original Message -----
My struts are 2.44" x 1.00". See them at carlsonaircraft.com .The struts are actually pretty cheap $63 each, its the fitting that are pretty expensive. I am going to polish mine and try to make them look like chrome.Dick N----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Hi Larry,Used 4 of these, with 7075 aluminum inserts purchased from Mcmaster-Carr, using two AN4 bolts to hold them in.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Larry,Used 4 of these, with 7075 aluminum inserts purchased from Mcmaster-Carr, using two AN4 bolts to hold them in.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Thanks for posting that Michael. I was wondering how they are going to look.I should also point out that these lift struts come in 10" lengths enough to make lift struts and cabanes..Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Thanks for posting that Michael. I was wondering how they are going to look.I should also point out that these lift struts come in 10" lengths enough to make lift struts and cabanes..Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Dan Thanks for the images of the struts and inserts,I am wondering did Mcmaster-Carr have those inserts or did you make those fromtheir aluminum stock?Dick Thanks for the info on the sizes of the struts and priceLarry VRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Dan Thanks for the images of the struts and inserts,I am wondering did Mcmaster-Carr have those inserts or did you make those fromtheir aluminum stock?Dick Thanks for the info on the sizes of the struts and priceLarry VRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Dan,Did you use the same fittings on both the upper and lower ends....?Thanks for all the info everyone. it is the way I am planning to go with mine....Jake--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Dan,Did you use the same fittings on both the upper and lower ends....?Thanks for all the info everyone. it is the way I am planning to go with mine....Jake--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: aerocarjake
Jake,Yes, I used the same 7075 insert in both ends. In the bottom you can see it was drilled and tapped to fit the J-3 forks I bought, then locked in place with the jam nut. In the top (I have a photo but can't find it at the moment) I rounded the end of the insert and drilled a hole for the (5/16"?) bolt that holds it to the wing spar fitting. I'll keep looking for it :O)Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Jake,Yes, I used the same 7075 insert in both ends. In the bottom you can see it was drilled and tapped to fit the J-3 forks I bought, then locked in place with the jam nut. In the top (I have a photo but can't find it at the moment) I rounded the end of the insert and drilled a hole for the (5/16"?) bolt that holds it to the wing spar fitting. I'll keep looking for it :O)Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You mean these?http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dan%20H ... Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com _____
You mean these?http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dan%20H ... Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Chris
Chris....Those would be the ones. Thank you for finding those. Please note: There is a bit of an angle between the strut and the wing spar fitting. This can be easily accounted for as you see. Don't drill the AN4 holes until the wing is mounted and everything is all lined-up.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Chris....Those would be the ones. Thank you for finding those. Please note: There is a bit of an angle between the strut and the wing spar fitting. This can be easily accounted for as you see. Don't drill the AN4 holes until the wing is mounted and everything is all lined-up.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Awesome, thanks....!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
Awesome, thanks....!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
Original Posted By: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
For a really cool affect after polishing them get some clear for chrome and add some candy pigment and make colored polished alum.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioDate: Sun=2C 6 May 2012 07:18:08 -0700
For a really cool affect after polishing them get some clear for chrome and add some candy pigment and make colored polished alum.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioDate: Sun=2C 6 May 2012 07:18:08 -0700