Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
I couldn't lure anyone in? I tried to sound like I was buying it... guess it didn'twork. Slow day...--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Jack"
I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except the "Streamlinedtube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell crank. I havespoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have ordered the rest ofthe steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His "streamlined tube" is likethe aerofoil shape the struts are made of. What are builders using?Scottywww.scottyspietenpol.com--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except the "Streamlinedtube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell crank. I havespoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have ordered the rest ofthe steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His "streamlined tube" is likethe aerofoil shape the struts are made of. What are builders using?Scottywww.scottyspietenpol.com--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Scotty, yes to your question. I made mine from .032 4130. See herehttp://textors.com/DSCN4210.JPG Jack TextorDSMNX1929T-----Original Message-----
Scotty, yes to your question. I made mine from .032 4130. See herehttp://textors.com/DSCN4210.JPG Jack TextorDSMNX1929T-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking!I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushedat each end...hhhmmmScotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking!I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushedat each end...hhhmmmScotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
Michael....is that tube with the ends flattened? Thank you for the pics...Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Michael....is that tube with the ends flattened? Thank you for the pics...Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Jack(at)textors.com"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: four minute video of possible interesthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnYLocal friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films (Red Tail Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were allVolunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I trying out his new Red Epic digital video camera.Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the producers of some of the big movies like the Avengers andsuch used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced!Mike C.http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html[cid:image001.png(at)01CD2E84.E1AEEA30]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: four minute video of possible interesthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnYLocal friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films (Red Tail Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were allVolunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I trying out his new Red Epic digital video camera.Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the producers of some of the big movies like the Avengers andsuch used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced!Mike C.http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html[cid:image001.png(at)01CD2E84.E1AEEA30]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Scotty your vision is correct to plans. The drawing is from Ken Perkins. It allowsfor less slack in the cables. If the horn is mounted as high as possiblethe cables shouldn't touch the H stab. Kens number is 913-764-six nine fournine.Jack TextorSent from my iPadOn May 10, 2012, at 6:46 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote:> > Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking!I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushedat each end...hhhmmm> > Scotty> > --------> Tamworth, Australia> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper> > www.scottyspietenpol.com> > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 734#372734> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Scotty your vision is correct to plans. The drawing is from Ken Perkins. It allowsfor less slack in the cables. If the horn is mounted as high as possiblethe cables shouldn't touch the H stab. Kens number is 913-764-six nine fournine.Jack TextorSent from my iPadOn May 10, 2012, at 6:46 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote:> > Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking!I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushedat each end...hhhmmm> > Scotty> > --------> Tamworth, Australia> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper> > www.scottyspietenpol.com> > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 734#372734> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Scotty,There's no real need to use streamline tube, unless you happen to have a piecelying around. The bellcrank isn't (well, it SHOULDN'T be) exposed to moving air,since it's enclosed in the fuselage. You could use round tube, and flattenthe ends, or add tabs to attach the cables, or, as Jack has done, make up yourown belcrank from two formed pieces of sheet metal. You could also make a bellcrankfrom a flat piece of steel, but you really should put a bend in it to stiffenit, since a flat piece would need to have significant thickness to be stiffenough without a stiffening rib, and "significant thickness" means extraweight.bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 05:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
Scotty,There's no real need to use streamline tube, unless you happen to have a piecelying around. The bellcrank isn't (well, it SHOULDN'T be) exposed to moving air,since it's enclosed in the fuselage. You could use round tube, and flattenthe ends, or add tabs to attach the cables, or, as Jack has done, make up yourown belcrank from two formed pieces of sheet metal. You could also make a bellcrankfrom a flat piece of steel, but you really should put a bend in it to stiffenit, since a flat piece would need to have significant thickness to be stiffenough without a stiffening rib, and "significant thickness" means extraweight.bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 05:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
I'm using a strip of .090 4130 steel 1 inch wide. If necessary, I will brace the strip on each side. If you're not a purist, you don't absolutely have to use tubing. C----- Original Message -----
I'm using a strip of .090 4130 steel 1 inch wide. If necessary, I will brace the strip on each side. If you're not a purist, you don't absolutely have to use tubing. C----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Pietenpol-List: Re: four minute video of possible interest
Original Posted By: "Kringle"
=46rom the Holy Writ of Waldo, 2:50 - 3:01,"You better all grab your courage everybody, 'cause this is flying weather! Now I am talking five dollars for the best five minutes of your life."Last Friday my wife and I had the pleasure of hosting Eiichi Kurabayashi, a work colleague from Japan. He was attending a conference in Chicago and made the short drive to Madison to see our operation. Friday was all business with lots of bowing, me in a suit (I usually wear shorts to work), two-handed exchange of business cards (thanks Gary Boothe for the tip) and a business lunch. Eiichi let his guard down a bit and asked about hobbies. I told him I had a couple of airplanes and he looked at me and asked "Why two?" The obvious answer was because I did not have three! I asked him if he wanted to go flying and he immediately said yes. Plans were made for a Saturday adventure.We picked him up at his hotel in Madison and drove to Hartford, talking about cultural differences and really enjoying the drive. The weather was about 55 degrees and my plan was to take him up in the Cub with the window open but lower clamshell closed so he could take pictures and we could have the rumor of cabin heat. While prepping the Cub, he sat in the Piet with a helmet and goggles. My natural a$$holiness tried to take over and and shout the obvious WWII based stereotypes but the stink eye I got from my wife let me know that was not welcome. Taxiing to the gas pump, my new tailwheel was unlocking way too easily when applying rudder inputs. I decided, after going around the patch by myself, that it was not worth the small risk of scaring my guest on a slow groundloop if the tailwheel went into full swivel on the rollout. So, I looked at my guest and stated it was time for Plan B. 502Rocket was pushed out and we made a nice 30 minute flight around the area. I was in a hoodie and he kept the helmet on. It was a bit chilly but the windscreens Gene Pennington (RIP my friend) made a few years ago really keep the face area breeze free.The flight was a huge success and was capped off by a bratwurst lunch. Eiichi ate three of them. I really love sharing aviation.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: four minute video of possible interest
=46rom the Holy Writ of Waldo, 2:50 - 3:01,"You better all grab your courage everybody, 'cause this is flying weather! Now I am talking five dollars for the best five minutes of your life."Last Friday my wife and I had the pleasure of hosting Eiichi Kurabayashi, a work colleague from Japan. He was attending a conference in Chicago and made the short drive to Madison to see our operation. Friday was all business with lots of bowing, me in a suit (I usually wear shorts to work), two-handed exchange of business cards (thanks Gary Boothe for the tip) and a business lunch. Eiichi let his guard down a bit and asked about hobbies. I told him I had a couple of airplanes and he looked at me and asked "Why two?" The obvious answer was because I did not have three! I asked him if he wanted to go flying and he immediately said yes. Plans were made for a Saturday adventure.We picked him up at his hotel in Madison and drove to Hartford, talking about cultural differences and really enjoying the drive. The weather was about 55 degrees and my plan was to take him up in the Cub with the window open but lower clamshell closed so he could take pictures and we could have the rumor of cabin heat. While prepping the Cub, he sat in the Piet with a helmet and goggles. My natural a$$holiness tried to take over and and shout the obvious WWII based stereotypes but the stink eye I got from my wife let me know that was not welcome. Taxiing to the gas pump, my new tailwheel was unlocking way too easily when applying rudder inputs. I decided, after going around the patch by myself, that it was not worth the small risk of scaring my guest on a slow groundloop if the tailwheel went into full swivel on the rollout. So, I looked at my guest and stated it was time for Plan B. 502Rocket was pushed out and we made a nice 30 minute flight around the area. I was in a hoodie and he kept the helmet on. It was a bit chilly but the windscreens Gene Pennington (RIP my friend) made a few years ago really keep the face area breeze free.The flight was a huge success and was capped off by a bratwurst lunch. Eiichi ate three of them. I really love sharing aviation.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: four minute video of possible interest
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Jack(at)textors.com"
Thank you everyone for your comments. If I was to use tube and squash each end,do I need to heat the ends first and squash them while hot? Metal work is notmy comfort zone so im treading very carefully here and want to get it right.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Thank you everyone for your comments. If I was to use tube and squash each end,do I need to heat the ends first and squash them while hot? Metal work is notmy comfort zone so im treading very carefully here and want to get it right.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Chris"
Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dipit in Oil/water?--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dipit in Oil/water?--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ScottJust heat it up, squish then let it cool slowly in a draft free location. Bythe way, if it starts to get hard to squish, you need to heat it again.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
ScottJust heat it up, squish then let it cool slowly in a draft free location. Bythe way, if it starts to get hard to squish, you need to heat it again.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Original Posted By: "Jack(at)textors.com"
Thanks Chris...its been 25 years since I have done this kind of thing at school!Thanks mate!--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Thanks Chris...its been 25 years since I have done this kind of thing at school!Thanks mate!--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.