Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Duel time> > Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will > climb into the front cockpit, how are others getting thru the > requirement of 5 hrs dual in make and model for liability insurance?> > Gary from Cool> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Duel time
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time> > Kevin - I'm not angry. I'm nearing the culmination of a life-time dream and> I'm sure this is minor hurdle...not sure what you mean about> "self-insuring", though. In my case, the owners of the hangars require> policy info.> > Jack - they did not ask if I had any inspections! I did present the problem> of getting a CFI into the front cockpit, and asked if dual time in a Cub or> Champ would be accepted....no answer back. I'm talking with Falcon, too.> > John - you may be the finest flyer I have ever seen...if only the war had> lasted a little longer....> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time> > Kevin - I'm not angry. I'm nearing the culmination of a life-time dream and> I'm sure this is minor hurdle...not sure what you mean about> "self-insuring", though. In my case, the owners of the hangars require> policy info.> > Jack - they did not ask if I had any inspections! I did present the problem> of getting a CFI into the front cockpit, and asked if dual time in a Cub or> Champ would be accepted....no answer back. I'm talking with Falcon, too.> > John - you may be the finest flyer I have ever seen...if only the war had> lasted a little longer....> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Papa Mike, I will take 22 of the turnbuckles. Let me know what your pay-pall address is and I will send the money859-468-0047Thank YouScott--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Papa Mike, I will take 22 of the turnbuckles. Let me know what your pay-pall address is and I will send the money859-468-0047Thank YouScott--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into the frontcockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in makeand model for liability insurance?Gary from CoolSent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into the frontcockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in makeand model for liability insurance?Gary from CoolSent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Depends on the insurance. I insured mine with Falcon (EAA Insurance). Theyinsured it for the first flight and all subsequent flights with norequirements for dual instruction. If you have had at least 3 inspectionsfrom an EAA Technical Counselor (every chapter should have at least one),they will insure itfor the first flights. Most other companies won't insureyou until you have some minimum time (I think it's usually 10 hours) on theairplane.Note that I was a current pilot who had recently (within 2 years) owned atailwheel airplane. Still, I borrowed a friend's J-3 Cub and got myselftailwheel current again before attempting to fly my Pietenpol.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message-----
Depends on the insurance. I insured mine with Falcon (EAA Insurance). Theyinsured it for the first flight and all subsequent flights with norequirements for dual instruction. If you have had at least 3 inspectionsfrom an EAA Technical Counselor (every chapter should have at least one),they will insure itfor the first flights. Most other companies won't insureyou until you have some minimum time (I think it's usually 10 hours) on theairplane.Note that I was a current pilot who had recently (within 2 years) owned atailwheel airplane. Still, I borrowed a friend's J-3 Cub and got myselftailwheel current again before attempting to fly my Pietenpol.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Duel timeCheck with your local EAA chapter, there should be someone who loves these classicplanes and will not only be willing, but eager to fly in your plane. Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Duel timeCheck with your local EAA chapter, there should be someone who loves these classicplanes and will not only be willing, but eager to fly in your plane. Steve D----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Assembly Update
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Nice pictures, Michael. Note for all you Corvair builders out there, justhow large the front main bearing is on this low horsepower engine. Now youunderstand why the 5th bearing is needed on a Corvair (and even with the 5thbearing, it still doesn't have as much bearing area as this aircraft enginehas).Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Nice pictures, Michael. Note for all you Corvair builders out there, justhow large the front main bearing is on this low horsepower engine. Now youunderstand why the 5th bearing is needed on a Corvair (and even with the 5thbearing, it still doesn't have as much bearing area as this aircraft enginehas).Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
When I added 502R last year I was not required to have any time in type. I also insure through Falcon and it probably helped that I already had a Cub on their books.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jun 21, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:> > Depends on the insurance. I insured mine with Falcon (EAA Insurance). They> insured it for the first flight and all subsequent flights with no> requirements for dual instruction. If you have had at least 3 inspections> from an EAA Technical Counselor (every chapter should have at least one),> they will insure itfor the first flights. Most other companies won't insure> you until you have some minimum time (I think it's usually 10 hours) on the> airplane.> > Note that I was a current pilot who had recently (within 2 years) owned a> tailwheel airplane. Still, I borrowed a friend's J-3 Cub and got myself> tailwheel current again before attempting to fly my Pietenpol.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message-----
When I added 502R last year I was not required to have any time in type. I also insure through Falcon and it probably helped that I already had a Cub on their books.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jun 21, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:> > Depends on the insurance. I insured mine with Falcon (EAA Insurance). They> insured it for the first flight and all subsequent flights with no> requirements for dual instruction. If you have had at least 3 inspections> from an EAA Technical Counselor (every chapter should have at least one),> they will insure itfor the first flights. Most other companies won't insure> you until you have some minimum time (I think it's usually 10 hours) on the> airplane.> > Note that I was a current pilot who had recently (within 2 years) owned a> tailwheel airplane. Still, I borrowed a friend's J-3 Cub and got myself> tailwheel current again before attempting to fly my Pietenpol.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Hi Gary - I'm assuming you're not angry enough with anyone to walk twenty paces,turn and fire. Regardless, I had a similar hour/dual requirement before Falcon would insure me.I self-insured until I had 25 hours and then reapplied. The premium went waydown and continues to drop each year as we build time.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Gary - I'm assuming you're not angry enough with anyone to walk twenty paces,turn and fire. Regardless, I had a similar hour/dual requirement before Falcon would insure me.I self-insured until I had 25 hours and then reapplied. The premium went waydown and continues to drop each year as we build time.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Kevin - I'm not angry. I'm nearing the culmination of a life-time dream andI'm sure this is minor hurdle...not sure what you mean about"self-insuring", though. In my case, the owners of the hangars requirepolicy info.Jack - they did not ask if I had any inspections! I did present the problemof getting a CFI into the front cockpit, and asked if dual time in a Cub orChamp would be accepted....no answer back. I'm talking with Falcon, too.John - you may be the finest flyer I have ever seen...if only the war hadlasted a little longer....Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Kevin - I'm not angry. I'm nearing the culmination of a life-time dream andI'm sure this is minor hurdle...not sure what you mean about"self-insuring", though. In my case, the owners of the hangars requirepolicy info.Jack - they did not ask if I had any inspections! I did present the problemof getting a CFI into the front cockpit, and asked if dual time in a Cub orChamp would be accepted....no answer back. I'm talking with Falcon, too.John - you may be the finest flyer I have ever seen...if only the war hadlasted a little longer....Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time
Original Posted By: airlion
Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time
Original Posted By: Dave Millikan
Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel time
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel timeGary, to "self Insure:" really means to fly without insurance. If you wreck yourplane you fix it and suffer the loss. If you hit someone else's stuff then youare personally liable. (IE hit a Learjet or crash into a school house fullof kids, then they sue you. Not the insurance company.)You might ask exactly what the hangerowners want. IE protection in case you burnthe hanger down? Then you might see if there is a renters insurance that wouldcover you for much less. The only reason I insure my Vtail is so that I am covered by liability to fly kids for Young Eagles. I go ahead and get hull insurance because it only costs$200 more per year. ($800 for liability plus $200 for hull) my old Bonanza isworth about $20-25,000 IF I can find a buyer. Old airplane values crashed whenthe market did and have not recovered. It was worth about $60,000 before thecrash.If I am not taking part in the Young Eagles Program, I "Self Insure". I figureif I slap a wing to the ground lightly, I will learn sheet metal work. If I rollit into a ball, I will either be in the hospital and not worried about theplane or I will walk away and sell the ball for scrap. I will then have to finda cheap little plane to fly. I might even have to build a plane. Blue Skies,Steve D1948 straight 35 Bonanza, (Forked-tail Doctor Killer!)----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Duel timeGary, to "self Insure:" really means to fly without insurance. If you wreck yourplane you fix it and suffer the loss. If you hit someone else's stuff then youare personally liable. (IE hit a Learjet or crash into a school house fullof kids, then they sue you. Not the insurance company.)You might ask exactly what the hangerowners want. IE protection in case you burnthe hanger down? Then you might see if there is a renters insurance that wouldcover you for much less. The only reason I insure my Vtail is so that I am covered by liability to fly kids for Young Eagles. I go ahead and get hull insurance because it only costs$200 more per year. ($800 for liability plus $200 for hull) my old Bonanza isworth about $20-25,000 IF I can find a buyer. Old airplane values crashed whenthe market did and have not recovered. It was worth about $60,000 before thecrash.If I am not taking part in the Young Eagles Program, I "Self Insure". I figureif I slap a wing to the ground lightly, I will learn sheet metal work. If I rollit into a ball, I will either be in the hospital and not worried about theplane or I will walk away and sell the ball for scrap. I will then have to finda cheap little plane to fly. I might even have to build a plane. Blue Skies,Steve D1948 straight 35 Bonanza, (Forked-tail Doctor Killer!)----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Duel time
Original Posted By: shad bell
I insured my Piet for its first flight with EAA and all they required was thatI completed a Flight Advisor review. I was current in a Baby Ace at the time.Have hou talked with them on the phone or just the online app?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 21, 2012, at 2:19 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into thefront cockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in makeand model for liability insurance?> > Gary from Cool> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
I insured my Piet for its first flight with EAA and all they required was thatI completed a Flight Advisor review. I was current in a Baby Ace at the time.Have hou talked with them on the phone or just the online app?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 21, 2012, at 2:19 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into thefront cockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in makeand model for liability insurance?> > Gary from Cool> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT)