Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Dick not sure at this point will let you know...Jack TextorSent from my iPadOn Aug 10, 2012, at 12:05 PM, "Dick N" wrote:> Hey all> Is anyone else planning on going to Blakesburg, Ia. this labor day day weekend? It is a great show with lots of old planes and runs for the week ending on labor day. Only second to Brodhead.> Dick N.> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:31:56 -0500Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first piet piece done
RE: Pietenpol-List: first piet piece done
Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Paul,Pictures are good. Just resize them to about 850.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Paul,Pictures are good. Just resize them to about 850.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
4.5 lbs to 21 lbs???? Is some one lying?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:31:00 -0500Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
4.5 lbs to 21 lbs???? Is some one lying?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:31:00 -0500Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Jim,I saw my mistake right after I posted that response and deleted it.Had to rub it in, didn't you:lol:--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Jim,I saw my mistake right after I posted that response and deleted it.Had to rub it in, didn't you:lol:--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markingsand it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by theregistration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked",so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the firstand meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentionedthat to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion thatyours are?It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful aboutthat stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:40:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markingsand it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by theregistration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked",so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the firstand meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentionedthat to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion thatyours are?It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful aboutthat stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:40:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mr. Fed had no issue with my "stacked" lettering, which I had copied fromothers. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the 'X' in theN-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,"EXPERIMENTAL" plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern wasthat, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on thatplacard, that the 'experimental' word was visible.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Mr. Fed had no issue with my "stacked" lettering, which I had copied fromothers. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the 'X' in theN-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,"EXPERIMENTAL" plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern wasthat, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on thatplacard, that the 'experimental' word was visible.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube!
Original Posted By: JOSEPH SWITHIN
Douwe , congrats on a fine and beautiful Pietenpol . I did notice that the runwaysdid not have drainage ditches on either side of the strip this time. Yourengine sounds like an Allison, and the subject of 180 Degree turns on take-offis no stranger to your first, first flight, and at less than 200 feet.Good luck in the near future, and see you at Brodhead after a number of hours underyour belt just to give a great guy a lot of confidence.Pieti LowellDon't archiveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Douwe , congrats on a fine and beautiful Pietenpol . I did notice that the runwaysdid not have drainage ditches on either side of the strip this time. Yourengine sounds like an Allison, and the subject of 180 Degree turns on take-offis no stranger to your first, first flight, and at less than 200 feet.Good luck in the near future, and see you at Brodhead after a number of hours underyour belt just to give a great guy a lot of confidence.Pieti LowellDon't archiveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99 word was visible.> > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > -----Original Message-----
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99 word was visible.> > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By: generambo(at)msn.com
Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the number on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N it was considered a decoration and did not count for or against us. The guy was great to us=2C very professional and through. He did want to see the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere. We have the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That seemed to fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book to be sure. Vic NX414MV Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the number on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N it was considered a decoration and did not count for or against us. The guy was great to us=2C very professional and through. He did want to see the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere. We have the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That seemed to fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book to be sure. Vic NX414MV Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Original Posted By:> generambo(at)msn.com
FAR 45 Subpart C spells it all out=85.According to 45.22(b), since a Pietenpol is a US registered aircraft that is amateur built and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago it may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33=85.how does that address items brought up in this thread?If you display the N number using only the capital letter N and registration number, you must have the EXPERIMENTAL placards displayed near each entrance to the cockpit. If you display your N number as NX and the registration you do not need to place any EXPERIMENTAL placards in either cockpit; the fact that the aircraft is experimental is communicated by the N number being displayed as NX and the number (and your little amateur built tag). This is allowed because of the "same external configuration as an aircraft built 30 years ago" provision.45.22(b)(1) specifies that the registration marks be displayed at least two inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter N *followed by*=85=85it does not specify whether it has to be "followed by" either vertically or horizontally. 45.25(b)(1) does specify horizontally, however 45.22(b) exempts you from that because of the 30 years or older provision.Markings must be in accordance with 45.21(c), which states they have to be permanently affixed, have no ornamentation, contrast in color with the background, and be legible. "Ornamentation" is not specifically defined, so I would say since they did not provide a definition as to what the administrator THINKS it means, you would have to go by the dictionary definition. Using that definition of what it means to be ornamented, a Fed or their rep could take issue with the J=85.but since it contrasts in color and is legible you can argue right back.45.29 contains various requirements regarding height, width, spacing, uniformity=85=85but the 30 years or older provision exempts you from the requirements of that section as well=85.Ryan Muellerrmueller23(at)gmail.comOn Aug 12, 2012, at 2:06 PM, V Groah wrote:> Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the number on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N it was considered a decoration and did not count for or against us. > > The guy was great to us, very professional and through. He did want to see the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere. We have the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That seemed to fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book to be sure. > > Vic NX414MV > > > > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
FAR 45 Subpart C spells it all out=85.According to 45.22(b), since a Pietenpol is a US registered aircraft that is amateur built and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago it may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33=85.how does that address items brought up in this thread?If you display the N number using only the capital letter N and registration number, you must have the EXPERIMENTAL placards displayed near each entrance to the cockpit. If you display your N number as NX and the registration you do not need to place any EXPERIMENTAL placards in either cockpit; the fact that the aircraft is experimental is communicated by the N number being displayed as NX and the number (and your little amateur built tag). This is allowed because of the "same external configuration as an aircraft built 30 years ago" provision.45.22(b)(1) specifies that the registration marks be displayed at least two inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter N *followed by*=85=85it does not specify whether it has to be "followed by" either vertically or horizontally. 45.25(b)(1) does specify horizontally, however 45.22(b) exempts you from that because of the 30 years or older provision.Markings must be in accordance with 45.21(c), which states they have to be permanently affixed, have no ornamentation, contrast in color with the background, and be legible. "Ornamentation" is not specifically defined, so I would say since they did not provide a definition as to what the administrator THINKS it means, you would have to go by the dictionary definition. Using that definition of what it means to be ornamented, a Fed or their rep could take issue with the J=85.but since it contrasts in color and is legible you can argue right back.45.29 contains various requirements regarding height, width, spacing, uniformity=85=85but the 30 years or older provision exempts you from the requirements of that section as well=85.Ryan Muellerrmueller23(at)gmail.comOn Aug 12, 2012, at 2:06 PM, V Groah wrote:> Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the number on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N it was considered a decoration and did not count for or against us. > > The guy was great to us, very professional and through. He did want to see the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere. We have the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That seemed to fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book to be sure. > > Vic NX414MV > > > > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
HA-HA! In that case, I want my money back!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
HA-HA! In that case, I want my money back!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...On Aug 11=2C 2012=2C at 12:48 PM=2C "Gary Boothe" wrote:Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering=2C which I had copied from others. Interestingly=2C he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording=2C =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that=2C somewhere in the passenger cockpit=2C amongst the other words on that placard=2C that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...On Aug 11=2C 2012=2C at 12:48 PM=2C "Gary Boothe" wrote:Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering=2C which I had copied from others. Interestingly=2C he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording=2C =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that=2C somewhere in the passenger cockpit=2C amongst the other words on that placard=2C that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...> > On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording, =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.> > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > -----Original Message-----
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...> > On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording, =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.> > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > -----Original Message-----