Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Thanks, Gary and Craig. Wish you said it had to be one way or the other, then Iwould not have to make a decision. Putting them underneath would certainly reducethe drag, a main concern of mine! Putting them on top would make future modifications/repairseasier. Ahh, the problems we must face with these aircraft.If I put them on top, I will never be able to keep up wit Gary!Thanks,Ray Krause Sent from my iPadOn Apr 5, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "CraigAho" wrote:> > On my NX40772 I had them on the surface. I will have to take a look at thosewho have put them under to see how I would like to do it on the next go round.> > Craig> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 930#397930> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file12_210.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
I'm still a newbie here - have yet to fly my new Piet - Pick it up next weekendin Sarasota. I am hoping to keep all my questions and comments regarding mynew Piet in this single thread. To do so, assumes that every new entry in thisthread will be posted as new in the daily distribution lists. If that is a badassumption - please let me know.Passenger DoorI notice in a video sent to me that there is no side door for the passenger. Is it difficult to add a door?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIDMugSvrk--------Jim McWhorterN687M (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 01:35:12 +0000 (UTC)
I'm still a newbie here - have yet to fly my new Piet - Pick it up next weekendin Sarasota. I am hoping to keep all my questions and comments regarding mynew Piet in this single thread. To do so, assumes that every new entry in thisthread will be posted as new in the daily distribution lists. If that is a badassumption - please let me know.Passenger DoorI notice in a video sent to me that there is no side door for the passenger. Is it difficult to add a door?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIDMugSvrk--------Jim McWhorterN687M (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 01:35:12 +0000 (UTC)
RE: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim,Kerri-Ann Price sells plans for a front cockpit door, but it addsconsiderable weight and I think you would have to build a new fuselage toget it. I doubt if can be retrofitted to an existing fuselage.I find the lack of a door to be a distinct advantage in that it requires acertain amount of agility to be able to get in the front cockpit. Thistends to automatically eliminate the more gravitationally-challengedindividuals from bugging you for a ride, but it does nothing to discourageslim young females - in fact it offers opportunities to "help" them get in.All kidding aside, you don't need a door. You need the airplane to be aslight as possible and putting in a door requires cutting the top longeron,which is one of the main load-bearing members of the aircraft. Cutting thatrequires adding lots of structure to make up for the loss of strength,adding weight for little purpose.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Jim,Kerri-Ann Price sells plans for a front cockpit door, but it addsconsiderable weight and I think you would have to build a new fuselage toget it. I doubt if can be retrofitted to an existing fuselage.I find the lack of a door to be a distinct advantage in that it requires acertain amount of agility to be able to get in the front cockpit. Thistends to automatically eliminate the more gravitationally-challengedindividuals from bugging you for a ride, but it does nothing to discourageslim young females - in fact it offers opportunities to "help" them get in.All kidding aside, you don't need a door. You need the airplane to be aslight as possible and putting in a door requires cutting the top longeron,which is one of the main load-bearing members of the aircraft. Cutting thatrequires adding lots of structure to make up for the loss of strength,adding weight for little purpose.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Jim,I bent in the same place and broke nine weeks ago, I'm mostly all healed now and I am 71! So there's hope for us old farts.Ray Krause Sent from my iPadOn Apr 6, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:> Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more mature cannot.> > Jim > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Jim,I bent in the same place and broke nine weeks ago, I'm mostly all healed now and I am 71! So there's hope for us old farts.Ray Krause Sent from my iPadOn Apr 6, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:> Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more mature cannot.> > Jim > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Jim, when you get to be 89 you can consider yourself an old fart! Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Jim, when you get to be 89 you can consider yourself an old fart! Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Wow, great responses on the door idea .... going with the general consensus ....if ain't broke .... don't fix it.I mentioned to someone yesterday that I was buying a Piet and about the door idea.He said that some Piet's were made with a hatch in the leading edge to enablepeople to get in easier. I've never seen a pic of such a hatch. Is thereany truth to his tale?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Wow, great responses on the door idea .... going with the general consensus ....if ain't broke .... don't fix it.I mentioned to someone yesterday that I was buying a Piet and about the door idea.He said that some Piet's were made with a hatch in the leading edge to enablepeople to get in easier. I've never seen a pic of such a hatch. Is thereany truth to his tale?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Cruel and vicious rumors!! Hatch can be in the trailing edge, but only helps the pilot.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Cruel and vicious rumors!! Hatch can be in the trailing edge, but only helps the pilot.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Would you be making the 612 also? I am asking for someone else. GardinerSent from my iPadOn Apr 8, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:> In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com writes:mail.com>> > Corky,> > I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business.> > Just a thought.> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 179#398179> > > In all my years I've probably been called everything so these new business names are welcome.> No I'm no Semper Fi but I do go back to OCS, Ft Benning 1943> Keep those names coming, Also, if any might have an idea on the best way to box a set of ribs for shipment lets have it.> Corky> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Would you be making the 612 also? I am asking for someone else. GardinerSent from my iPadOn Apr 8, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:> In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com writes:mail.com>> > Corky,> > I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business.> > Just a thought.> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 179#398179> > > In all my years I've probably been called everything so these new business names are welcome.> No I'm no Semper Fi but I do go back to OCS, Ft Benning 1943> Keep those names coming, Also, if any might have an idea on the best way to box a set of ribs for shipment lets have it.> Corky> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "tools"
Hi Jim,The passenger door can be add to a built up side frame with little work. If youare adding it to an already finished side frame with plywood covering, its alittle more work, but doable.Many Pietenpol builders have add the side door for ease of loading passengers.It adds very little weight to the basic Piet but really helps in getting in andout of the front cockpit.If you have any question on adding the passenger door, please Email me directly.I will do my best to answer them. Link below.Blue skies,Keri-Ann--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Hi Jim,The passenger door can be add to a built up side frame with little work. If youare adding it to an already finished side frame with plywood covering, its alittle more work, but doable.Many Pietenpol builders have add the side door for ease of loading passengers.It adds very little weight to the basic Piet but really helps in getting in andout of the front cockpit.If you have any question on adding the passenger door, please Email me directly.I will do my best to answer them. Link below.Blue skies,Keri-Ann--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
During a landing accident, I broke BOTH the bottom longerons on my wood fuse Piet.The repair itself, building new landing gear legs (wood gear), scarfing innew longerons, replacing the belly skin, one crossmember and the recoveringreally only took 3 days.However, getting the fuselage to where I could get everywhere I needed, took sometime.Soooo, if you can do it without removing tailfeathers (I needed to so I could getit in the shop), engine, firewall everything, and everything else that wasdetachable, it really shouldn't be THAT difficult.You're going to have to be pretty good at woodworking in that you'll likely haveto essentially carve some things out, make pieces to fit places that aren'teasily gotten to, possibly make some scarf joints inplace (not sure about thisone... but if so, requires some confidence with hand tools), do some fairly varsityclamping frequently requiring a lot of jigging and stuff like that.If there's tools you need, they'll likely be hand tools and really aren't thatexpensive (certain sorts of eastern hand saws for example, that run in the $20range, additional clamps - inexpensive, etc). So if that's up your alley, I'dpretty seriously consider it. There's ALWAYS a weight penalty, but fortunatelyit's on the CG, so it isn't as serious as other weight penalties like thoseaft of the CG. Obviously it's been done before, but I can't recall it being documented well, soit would definitely be an asset for here and certainly in the BPA newsletter.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
During a landing accident, I broke BOTH the bottom longerons on my wood fuse Piet.The repair itself, building new landing gear legs (wood gear), scarfing innew longerons, replacing the belly skin, one crossmember and the recoveringreally only took 3 days.However, getting the fuselage to where I could get everywhere I needed, took sometime.Soooo, if you can do it without removing tailfeathers (I needed to so I could getit in the shop), engine, firewall everything, and everything else that wasdetachable, it really shouldn't be THAT difficult.You're going to have to be pretty good at woodworking in that you'll likely haveto essentially carve some things out, make pieces to fit places that aren'teasily gotten to, possibly make some scarf joints inplace (not sure about thisone... but if so, requires some confidence with hand tools), do some fairly varsityclamping frequently requiring a lot of jigging and stuff like that.If there's tools you need, they'll likely be hand tools and really aren't thatexpensive (certain sorts of eastern hand saws for example, that run in the $20range, additional clamps - inexpensive, etc). So if that's up your alley, I'dpretty seriously consider it. There's ALWAYS a weight penalty, but fortunatelyit's on the CG, so it isn't as serious as other weight penalties like thoseaft of the CG. Obviously it's been done before, but I can't recall it being documented well, soit would definitely be an asset for here and certainly in the BPA newsletter.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Tools,Is splat the past tense of split? Or are you referring to the noise they made onthat one landing? You Boat School Navy guys need to be a little more specific.[Wink]--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Tools,Is splat the past tense of split? Or are you referring to the noise they made onthat one landing? You Boat School Navy guys need to be a little more specific.[Wink]--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "tools"
Lets hope this isn't the firepit this year!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Lets hope this isn't the firepit this year!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Really it's not. I spent MONTHS staring at it figuring out exactly what and how,but the actual work from when the fuse was staged and I first started actualrepair (not all the prep of staging...), it was about 3 average length days.Would be quicker if not waiting for things to dry. I only recovered what Ihad to since the covering there is only asthetic, thought it would be a good placeto practice how to fix a hole essentially. I didn't recover the whole thing.It was basically two strips of fabric about 8" by 4 feet or so. I'm also lucky enough to have a very well equipped shop. It took some rather esoterictools to do it efficiently. A weird type of japanese flooring saw thatcan start a cut in the middle of a board, other funky little narrow kerf andflexible saws, a rather good sized back saw, probably had 40 or 50 clamps onthere when I scarfed on side plywood pieces. Could only do one side at a timesince I ran out of clamps! I used three or four handplanes to get old glue offsome areas (bull nose rabbet plane, chisel plane, small block planes). Hadto carve some joints apart, which took all the hand cutting mortise and tenonjoint skill I had, and a decent selection of chisels. I milled the legs fromsome VERY nice southern yellow pine from a pallet I had laying around. Thatincluded resawing, planing, ripping, blind stopped bevel cuts on the tablesaw,routing and those weird angled cuts which are really easy on a big bandsaw.It took one 12 hr day to make struts (aluminum very much like Larry W's) and rebuildthe cabane struts (could have made new ones as quickly, just didn't havethe materials on hand, and rebuilding was just as functional). But again, abouta month sketching, designing, fretting, etc beforehand.I'm fortunate that high end woodworking has been my primary hobby for over 20 years.It could be done with LOTS less, but nearly as efficiently.When spending some time with Dick N, I was helping with the group Piet projecthe's spearheading. I was mortising in the elev/stab hinges. It took about anhour plus per hinge with a 1/2" wide xacto brand tool with a chisel like blade(flat across the end). In my shop, with a very well designed workbench andmy mortising chisel set, it would take about 5 to 10 minutes... of course I gota LOT of practice (to the tune of 106... or so) mortises like that I cut inoak, for my daughters baby crib (she's 22, the crib is now about 21 1/2... I'ma very serious procrastinator!), and they were all 3/4" deep, not 1/8" (whichis one easy pass in spruce).A decent command of hand tools really makes retrofitting stuff a lot easier. It'spretty easy to make a pattern for a router to cut some part. But to get insidea cockpit and cut a hole... a nice japanese keyhole saw is quick, efficient,and practically no chance of a misstep and ruining who knows what. If someone has a difficult time making wing ribs, I wouldn't recommend a retrofitof a door. However, if they make shaker oval boxes... child's play... so asalways, it depends.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Really it's not. I spent MONTHS staring at it figuring out exactly what and how,but the actual work from when the fuse was staged and I first started actualrepair (not all the prep of staging...), it was about 3 average length days.Would be quicker if not waiting for things to dry. I only recovered what Ihad to since the covering there is only asthetic, thought it would be a good placeto practice how to fix a hole essentially. I didn't recover the whole thing.It was basically two strips of fabric about 8" by 4 feet or so. I'm also lucky enough to have a very well equipped shop. It took some rather esoterictools to do it efficiently. A weird type of japanese flooring saw thatcan start a cut in the middle of a board, other funky little narrow kerf andflexible saws, a rather good sized back saw, probably had 40 or 50 clamps onthere when I scarfed on side plywood pieces. Could only do one side at a timesince I ran out of clamps! I used three or four handplanes to get old glue offsome areas (bull nose rabbet plane, chisel plane, small block planes). Hadto carve some joints apart, which took all the hand cutting mortise and tenonjoint skill I had, and a decent selection of chisels. I milled the legs fromsome VERY nice southern yellow pine from a pallet I had laying around. Thatincluded resawing, planing, ripping, blind stopped bevel cuts on the tablesaw,routing and those weird angled cuts which are really easy on a big bandsaw.It took one 12 hr day to make struts (aluminum very much like Larry W's) and rebuildthe cabane struts (could have made new ones as quickly, just didn't havethe materials on hand, and rebuilding was just as functional). But again, abouta month sketching, designing, fretting, etc beforehand.I'm fortunate that high end woodworking has been my primary hobby for over 20 years.It could be done with LOTS less, but nearly as efficiently.When spending some time with Dick N, I was helping with the group Piet projecthe's spearheading. I was mortising in the elev/stab hinges. It took about anhour plus per hinge with a 1/2" wide xacto brand tool with a chisel like blade(flat across the end). In my shop, with a very well designed workbench andmy mortising chisel set, it would take about 5 to 10 minutes... of course I gota LOT of practice (to the tune of 106... or so) mortises like that I cut inoak, for my daughters baby crib (she's 22, the crib is now about 21 1/2... I'ma very serious procrastinator!), and they were all 3/4" deep, not 1/8" (whichis one easy pass in spruce).A decent command of hand tools really makes retrofitting stuff a lot easier. It'spretty easy to make a pattern for a router to cut some part. But to get insidea cockpit and cut a hole... a nice japanese keyhole saw is quick, efficient,and practically no chance of a misstep and ruining who knows what. If someone has a difficult time making wing ribs, I wouldn't recommend a retrofitof a door. However, if they make shaker oval boxes... child's play... so asalways, it depends.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Tools, what a shop, could you put me in your will? Seriously, I have manytools and airplane stuff. I have a list for wife Susan to contact should Iexpire, or when I guess. They are people I trust in assisting her with thedisposal of my riches... Jack TextorDes Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
Tools, what a shop, could you put me in your will? Seriously, I have manytools and airplane stuff. I have a list for wife Susan to contact should Iexpire, or when I guess. They are people I trust in assisting her with thedisposal of my riches... Jack TextorDes Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
3 Days and counting until I pick-up my new Pietenpol .... not that I'm countingor anything like that.
--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
3 Days and counting until I pick-up my new Pietenpol .... not that I'm countingor anything like that.
--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Bump
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Don't tell anyone, Mark, especially Mike Cuy...I don't have Uncle Tony'sbooks. Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Don't tell anyone, Mark, especially Mike Cuy...I don't have Uncle Tony'sbooks. Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
I have played with the Spot Connect and the bottom line is I really like it, Ihave road tested and tracking seems to be spot on.If you would like to see how it tracks, click on this linkhttp://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0K6TAxD2OiYyXcq0LJiRi2yTofX5bgeVjThis is the same link you can come back to and follow Mr Sam from Sarasota to Culpeperthis weekend.Cheers--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
I have played with the Spot Connect and the bottom line is I really like it, Ihave road tested and tracking seems to be spot on.If you would like to see how it tracks, click on this linkhttp://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0K6TAxD2OiYyXcq0LJiRi2yTofX5bgeVjThis is the same link you can come back to and follow Mr Sam from Sarasota to Culpeperthis weekend.Cheers--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Well the adventure has begun. Sitting in the B Concourse at IAD waiting for myflight to SRQ. Chuck Tippet is already down there and we will look at the airplanetomorrow morning. Andrew King called Chuck and told him all about Mr.Sam. Andrew has over 80 hours in this Piet. He flew it when it had the Fordengine and after the conversion to a Cont O-200. He has high praise for the airplane.Makes feel so much better about the buy.If you would like to follow the adventure as it unfolds this weekend, Click onthis link, scroll down to Florida and you see the pin drops. I will turn on theSpot Connect as soon as I land tonight in SRQ. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/face ... -------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Well the adventure has begun. Sitting in the B Concourse at IAD waiting for myflight to SRQ. Chuck Tippet is already down there and we will look at the airplanetomorrow morning. Andrew King called Chuck and told him all about Mr.Sam. Andrew has over 80 hours in this Piet. He flew it when it had the Fordengine and after the conversion to a Cont O-200. He has high praise for the airplane.Makes feel so much better about the buy.If you would like to follow the adventure as it unfolds this weekend, Click onthis link, scroll down to Florida and you see the pin drops. I will turn on theSpot Connect as soon as I land tonight in SRQ. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/face ... -------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Well, its almost over! A gaggle of three (Chuck Tippet in Mr. Sam, John in theJ-3 Cub, and Frank in a 450hp Stearman) left out of South Lakeland on Saturday.We all met up in Yulee FL for an RON. Then it was on to Virginia. They madeit as far as Dinwiddy County Airport (KPTB). There, they left the J-3 andMr. Sam for the night with Frank. John and Chuck jumped into the Stearman andheaded for Warrenton. They had major issues with getting Mr. Sam started. Once the Piet was running, Chuck said that it runs and flies like a dream. AlthoughMr. Sam does not have any trim, Chuck says it flew most of the legs hands-off.True testament to how well Mr. Michael Brusilow built this Piet. Iwas going to change the tail number N687MB to something more personal to me ....but now, no way am I changing it. Mr. Sam needs to fly high and proud withMB as part of the tail number. So now, its off to KPTB to help out with thestarting issues. Will post pictures later.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices
Well, its almost over! A gaggle of three (Chuck Tippet in Mr. Sam, John in theJ-3 Cub, and Frank in a 450hp Stearman) left out of South Lakeland on Saturday.We all met up in Yulee FL for an RON. Then it was on to Virginia. They madeit as far as Dinwiddy County Airport (KPTB). There, they left the J-3 andMr. Sam for the night with Frank. John and Chuck jumped into the Stearman andheaded for Warrenton. They had major issues with getting Mr. Sam started. Once the Piet was running, Chuck said that it runs and flies like a dream. AlthoughMr. Sam does not have any trim, Chuck says it flew most of the legs hands-off.True testament to how well Mr. Michael Brusilow built this Piet. Iwas going to change the tail number N687MB to something more personal to me ....but now, no way am I changing it. Mr. Sam needs to fly high and proud withMB as part of the tail number. So now, its off to KPTB to help out with thestarting issues. Will post pictures later.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Ok, somebody figured it out .... Truth be known the Spot was not attached to Mr.Sam. I had it in the van I was driving back. Long trip - see the thread "APietenpol Named Mr. Sam" for trip details. However, it will become part ofthe airplane very soon.But, if you are looking for a GPS Tracker .... this thing works GREAT!!!!Thanks for following along!--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Ok, somebody figured it out .... Truth be known the Spot was not attached to Mr.Sam. I had it in the van I was driving back. Long trip - see the thread "APietenpol Named Mr. Sam" for trip details. However, it will become part ofthe airplane very soon.But, if you are looking for a GPS Tracker .... this thing works GREAT!!!!Thanks for following along!--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Jim,Great decision on the 'N' number!GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 15, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote:> > Well, its almost over! A gaggle of three (Chuck Tippet in Mr. Sam, John in theJ-3 Cub, and Frank in a 450hp Stearman) left out of South Lakeland on Saturday.We all met up in Yulee FL for an RON. Then it was on to Virginia. Theymade it as far as Dinwiddy County Airport (KPTB). There, they left the J-3 andMr. Sam for the night with Frank. John and Chuck jumped into the Stearmanand headed for Warrenton. They had major issues with getting Mr. Sam started.Once the Piet was running, Chuck said that it runs and flies like a dream. Although Mr. Sam does not have any trim, Chuck says it flew most of the legshands-off. True testament to how well Mr. Michael Brusilow built this Piet. I was going to change the tail number N687MB to something more personal to me.... but now, no way am I changing it. Mr. Sam needs to fly high and proud withMB as part of the tail number. So now, its off to KPTB to help out with thestarting issues. Will post pictures later.> > --------> Jim McWhorter> N687MB (New Owner)> Culpeper, VA KCJR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 638#398638> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC)
Jim,Great decision on the 'N' number!GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 15, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote:> > Well, its almost over! A gaggle of three (Chuck Tippet in Mr. Sam, John in theJ-3 Cub, and Frank in a 450hp Stearman) left out of South Lakeland on Saturday.We all met up in Yulee FL for an RON. Then it was on to Virginia. Theymade it as far as Dinwiddy County Airport (KPTB). There, they left the J-3 andMr. Sam for the night with Frank. John and Chuck jumped into the Stearmanand headed for Warrenton. They had major issues with getting Mr. Sam started.Once the Piet was running, Chuck said that it runs and flies like a dream. Although Mr. Sam does not have any trim, Chuck says it flew most of the legshands-off. True testament to how well Mr. Michael Brusilow built this Piet. I was going to change the tail number N687MB to something more personal to me.... but now, no way am I changing it. Mr. Sam needs to fly high and proud withMB as part of the tail number. So now, its off to KPTB to help out with thestarting issues. Will post pictures later.> > --------> Jim McWhorter> N687MB (New Owner)> Culpeper, VA KCJR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 638#398638> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Joe,Since you got your rib drawing from Bill Rewey, I assume that's one of the Riblettairfoils, and not the original Pietenpol airfoil.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Joe,Since you got your rib drawing from Bill Rewey, I assume that's one of the Riblettairfoils, and not the original Pietenpol airfoil.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
It's over! Mr. Sam is in his new home. Culpeper VA:http://youtu.be/VbvnZpLNoP8--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
It's over! Mr. Sam is in his new home. Culpeper VA:http://youtu.be/VbvnZpLNoP8--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Wow, great responses. Thank you. Specially got a kick out of the fact that BaldEagleactually knows that Mr. Sam has been flown at night.I have a considerable amount of night flying experience and KCJR is very well liteat night. So I see no issues there. However, I'm going to caveat this withthe fact that all of my night flying experience (VFR & IFR) have been in certificatedproduction aircraft with full instrument arrays including of coursethe AI.Night flying (30 minutes or more after sunset) in an open cockpit would be an interestingexperience. Clearly something I would work my way up to very cautiously.Great words of wisdom in this post are most helpful. I really don't wantto go splat in the middle of the night.Mr. Sam has a full electrical system with alternator and starter. So, power sourceis no issue. I do need to think about lights on the instruments - thinkingabout LED strip lighting on a dimmer appropriately placed should solve theproblem ..... one of the really cools things about owning an experimental airplane... you can experiment! However, I am for sure thinking about the need for AI in flight if a case wherethere is suddenly a moment of lost horizon. Both suggestions in posts, the Xavionapp running on an IPad and the Pocket Panel make sense and both bear furtherinvestigation.Bottom line - I do want to fly at night - it is something really enjoy. However,thatnks the information here, I will be much better prepared and it is somethingI will approach carefully. Got to get the position lights, Beacon, andlanding light logistics and installation figured out.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Wow, great responses. Thank you. Specially got a kick out of the fact that BaldEagleactually knows that Mr. Sam has been flown at night.I have a considerable amount of night flying experience and KCJR is very well liteat night. So I see no issues there. However, I'm going to caveat this withthe fact that all of my night flying experience (VFR & IFR) have been in certificatedproduction aircraft with full instrument arrays including of coursethe AI.Night flying (30 minutes or more after sunset) in an open cockpit would be an interestingexperience. Clearly something I would work my way up to very cautiously.Great words of wisdom in this post are most helpful. I really don't wantto go splat in the middle of the night.Mr. Sam has a full electrical system with alternator and starter. So, power sourceis no issue. I do need to think about lights on the instruments - thinkingabout LED strip lighting on a dimmer appropriately placed should solve theproblem ..... one of the really cools things about owning an experimental airplane... you can experiment!
However, I am for sure thinking about the need for AI in flight if a case wherethere is suddenly a moment of lost horizon. Both suggestions in posts, the Xavionapp running on an IPad and the Pocket Panel make sense and both bear furtherinvestigation.Bottom line - I do want to fly at night - it is something really enjoy. However,thatnks the information here, I will be much better prepared and it is somethingI will approach carefully. Got to get the position lights, Beacon, andlanding light logistics and installation figured out.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. SamRe: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Getting the logs and paper work in order. I have a weight and balance data thatsome of the info is really difficult to decipher. See attached.What I need to find / figure out is how to create / get a weight & balance chart.Can someone help me figure this one out?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weig ... ______Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:53:39 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Getting the logs and paper work in order. I have a weight and balance data thatsome of the info is really difficult to decipher. See attached.What I need to find / figure out is how to create / get a weight & balance chart.Can someone help me figure this one out?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weig ... ______Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:53:39 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "tools"
http://bit.ly/11vyl7Q> I don't know what TARE is and I'm not sure about some of the data the form isasking for.> > Can someone help me figure this one out? Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
http://bit.ly/11vyl7Q> I don't know what TARE is and I'm not sure about some of the data the form isasking for.> > Can someone help me figure this one out? Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Avill"
I can see why you're confused!Really, this is probably going to be the easiest for you if you have someone localyou can sit down with over a beer and figure it all out.However, here's a couple of points that I hope help a little.First, there's some fixed values you NEED to know, and given what I've seen inyour attachments, I'd verify if I were you.Prop up the tail of the plane to where the top longeron of the fuse is parallelto the ground. Then, mark the center of where the front wheels touch the ground.Drop a plumb line from the center of where the tail wheel touches whateverit's propped up on, to the ground and that's your wheel base. Your paper workseems to indicate it's 179 inches?Since the safe center of gravity is usually represented as a distance range fromthe leading edge of the wing, you need to know where that is, relative to thefront wheels. One of your docs seems to indicate 7 inches, the other SEEMSto say 5.59 inches. That's only a inch and a half difference, but that's prettysignificant. Drop a plumb line from the leading edge to the ground and thenmeasure to figure the distance. Third, you need to know what the safe cg range is for a GN-1. MOST normal littleplanes' wings have a safe cg range of about 20 to 30 percent of the MAC...or from a fifth to a third of the width (or chord) of the wing from the leadingedge. For a piet, that has a 60 inch chord, it's from 12 to 20 inches from the leadingedge. However, I think the plans indicate 15 to 20 inches, which is merelymore conservative. Probably ought to look through your operating limitationsfor something. If that doesn't work, ask GN-1 builders (there's plenty here)what their plans indicate. There are formulas you can use, or derive, to figure the min and max weights hereand there to determine the data you need to make the chart you want. But really,it's Piet.... there's only so much you can do to change the CG! Basicallyit's gonna be based (since I think you only have a over wing tank) on Pilotweight. The pax is pretty much on the CG and wont change things much. Rather than using a lot of formulas, or guessing where the cg of various componentsare and doing very involved calculations, I just loaded the plane this wayand that (me in the front, son in the back... me in the back son inthe front,just me, just him... ) and weighed it each way and did the simple calculationof determining where the cg was in each case and got a feel for what is safein the plane.I was surprised to learn that for my Piet (which is a pretty standard Piet) thata difference of some 50 lbs in the pilot seat only changed the cg about an inch...from 18 to 19 inches or thereabouts. If the plane was set up correctlyto begin with (basically where the wing is on the thing and things like batteries,props), it'll be fine for practically all operating conditions. So load it up, weigh it, fill out a sheet showing your calculations and that they'rewithin the safe range, log it and go flying! Double check if you decideto take the battery out, change from a metal to wood prop, stuff like that. If your plane is like most, it's close to the aft limit, just how they usuallywind up. So put the heaviest guy in there you think is gonna fly it, the lightest,you get the idea. Then you'll know for SURE. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
I can see why you're confused!Really, this is probably going to be the easiest for you if you have someone localyou can sit down with over a beer and figure it all out.However, here's a couple of points that I hope help a little.First, there's some fixed values you NEED to know, and given what I've seen inyour attachments, I'd verify if I were you.Prop up the tail of the plane to where the top longeron of the fuse is parallelto the ground. Then, mark the center of where the front wheels touch the ground.Drop a plumb line from the center of where the tail wheel touches whateverit's propped up on, to the ground and that's your wheel base. Your paper workseems to indicate it's 179 inches?Since the safe center of gravity is usually represented as a distance range fromthe leading edge of the wing, you need to know where that is, relative to thefront wheels. One of your docs seems to indicate 7 inches, the other SEEMSto say 5.59 inches. That's only a inch and a half difference, but that's prettysignificant. Drop a plumb line from the leading edge to the ground and thenmeasure to figure the distance. Third, you need to know what the safe cg range is for a GN-1. MOST normal littleplanes' wings have a safe cg range of about 20 to 30 percent of the MAC...or from a fifth to a third of the width (or chord) of the wing from the leadingedge. For a piet, that has a 60 inch chord, it's from 12 to 20 inches from the leadingedge. However, I think the plans indicate 15 to 20 inches, which is merelymore conservative. Probably ought to look through your operating limitationsfor something. If that doesn't work, ask GN-1 builders (there's plenty here)what their plans indicate. There are formulas you can use, or derive, to figure the min and max weights hereand there to determine the data you need to make the chart you want. But really,it's Piet.... there's only so much you can do to change the CG! Basicallyit's gonna be based (since I think you only have a over wing tank) on Pilotweight. The pax is pretty much on the CG and wont change things much. Rather than using a lot of formulas, or guessing where the cg of various componentsare and doing very involved calculations, I just loaded the plane this wayand that (me in the front, son in the back... me in the back son inthe front,just me, just him... ) and weighed it each way and did the simple calculationof determining where the cg was in each case and got a feel for what is safein the plane.I was surprised to learn that for my Piet (which is a pretty standard Piet) thata difference of some 50 lbs in the pilot seat only changed the cg about an inch...from 18 to 19 inches or thereabouts. If the plane was set up correctlyto begin with (basically where the wing is on the thing and things like batteries,props), it'll be fine for practically all operating conditions. So load it up, weigh it, fill out a sheet showing your calculations and that they'rewithin the safe range, log it and go flying! Double check if you decideto take the battery out, change from a metal to wood prop, stuff like that. If your plane is like most, it's close to the aft limit, just how they usuallywind up. So put the heaviest guy in there you think is gonna fly it, the lightest,you get the idea. Then you'll know for SURE. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Jim,Tare has to do with the weight of objects that aren't part of the airplane. Inyour case chocks, chains, or straps used to hold the plane in position would beyour tare weight. The best solution is to put the chocks on the scale then zerothem out. In your calcs you could just put zero down. Otherwise the weightof chocks would be tare.I hope this helps.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Jim,Tare has to do with the weight of objects that aren't part of the airplane. Inyour case chocks, chains, or straps used to hold the plane in position would beyour tare weight. The best solution is to put the chocks on the scale then zerothem out. In your calcs you could just put zero down. Otherwise the weightof chocks would be tare.I hope this helps.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Weight and balance is something that if you do it right, you'll only have to doit once (until you change something significant on the airplane). It's alsosomething that if you do it wrong, it can make your airplane squirrelly to fly...or worse. In the case of my airplane, with all the fuel in a single tankahead of the CG, as the fuel burns the CG moves aft, so it's important to knowthe W&B and be aware of how it changes in different loading configurations. The good news is that, like everything else about the Piet (or Grega), it's simple.My advice would be for you to contact an EAA tech counselor or someone who hasaccess to good scales and who has done the W&B on other airplanes. That willmake it very easy, quick, and accurate. The last one that I did on Scout, afterI changed the engine and prop, took less than an hour and I am very, very confidentin the logbook entries and in the weights and measurements that we took.There is an EAA chapter, 186, in Manasses... just over the hill from you. Theyhave six tech counselors and one of them is Dick Koehler, who is a frequent contributorto the excellent homebuilder hints videos that EAA offers. Here'sa webpage on the tech counselors:http://www.186.eaachapter.org/technical ... -----Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Weight and balance is something that if you do it right, you'll only have to doit once (until you change something significant on the airplane). It's alsosomething that if you do it wrong, it can make your airplane squirrelly to fly...or worse. In the case of my airplane, with all the fuel in a single tankahead of the CG, as the fuel burns the CG moves aft, so it's important to knowthe W&B and be aware of how it changes in different loading configurations. The good news is that, like everything else about the Piet (or Grega), it's simple.My advice would be for you to contact an EAA tech counselor or someone who hasaccess to good scales and who has done the W&B on other airplanes. That willmake it very easy, quick, and accurate. The last one that I did on Scout, afterI changed the engine and prop, took less than an hour and I am very, very confidentin the logbook entries and in the weights and measurements that we took.There is an EAA chapter, 186, in Manasses... just over the hill from you. Theyhave six tech counselors and one of them is Dick Koehler, who is a frequent contributorto the excellent homebuilder hints videos that EAA offers. Here'sa webpage on the tech counselors:http://www.186.eaachapter.org/technical ... -----Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Hey, Douwe: how many Piets are there in a squadron?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Hey, Douwe: how many Piets are there in a squadron?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Another idea that may be of interest for containing and securing cargo for thoselong trips to Brodhead.Yes throttle knob and stick to be removed when cage in use.--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Another idea that may be of interest for containing and securing cargo for thoselong trips to Brodhead.Yes throttle knob and stick to be removed when cage in use.--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Absorbing .... Lots of great stuff. As luck would have it EAA Chapter 186 wasout at KCJR today and will be there again tomorrow. I'm going to go introducemyself. Their website has a really great tutorial on W&B that reads well withTools comments.Got homework to do ...
--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Absorbing .... Lots of great stuff. As luck would have it EAA Chapter 186 wasout at KCJR today and will be there again tomorrow. I'm going to go introducemyself. Their website has a really great tutorial on W&B that reads well withTools comments.Got homework to do ...
--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
COOL BAGGAGE CAGE!Re Oscar's question as to what constitutes an proper and official Pietenpolsquadron; here are my thoughts.Like most things in life, I think this is relative, as it seems to be in airforces around the world.However, in my book a Pietenpol squadron is comprised of three or moreairplanes. I feel this is justified by their relative rarity and uniquenesswhich makes a flight of three or more a pretty unusual event.Plus I always thought it was just a cool word to say.$.02Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
COOL BAGGAGE CAGE!Re Oscar's question as to what constitutes an proper and official Pietenpolsquadron; here are my thoughts.Like most things in life, I think this is relative, as it seems to be in airforces around the world.However, in my book a Pietenpol squadron is comprised of three or moreairplanes. I feel this is justified by their relative rarity and uniquenesswhich makes a flight of three or more a pretty unusual event.Plus I always thought it was just a cool word to say.$.02Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Original Posted By: "bender"
To follow Chuck's line of thinking about aircraft numbers in his squadron, duringmy two cruises (7 months each time in WestPac, 1983-4, 1984-5) we had 12 CH-46's,4 CH-53's, 4 Cobras, and 2 Hueys, totaling 22 airframes. In addition, onmy second cruise we had 4 AV-8A/C Harriers, for a total of 26 airframes.Two years later, I was an IP in VT-3 at Whiting Field, FL. Technically, we hadNO airplanes as they were owned by Training Wing 5, maintained under contractby DynaCorp, and doled out to VT-2, VT-3, and VT-6 on a rotating basis. The squadronwas made up of the pilots and support personnel.So my point is this - a squadron is the people, not the aircraft. The aircraftcan number between zero and as many as you want. I think that this forum couldbe considered the Pietenpol Squadron. Your KY contingent is merely a Section,or Flight out of the larger Squadron. So who is Section Lead?My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
To follow Chuck's line of thinking about aircraft numbers in his squadron, duringmy two cruises (7 months each time in WestPac, 1983-4, 1984-5) we had 12 CH-46's,4 CH-53's, 4 Cobras, and 2 Hueys, totaling 22 airframes. In addition, onmy second cruise we had 4 AV-8A/C Harriers, for a total of 26 airframes.Two years later, I was an IP in VT-3 at Whiting Field, FL. Technically, we hadNO airplanes as they were owned by Training Wing 5, maintained under contractby DynaCorp, and doled out to VT-2, VT-3, and VT-6 on a rotating basis. The squadronwas made up of the pilots and support personnel.So my point is this - a squadron is the people, not the aircraft. The aircraftcan number between zero and as many as you want. I think that this forum couldbe considered the Pietenpol Squadron. Your KY contingent is merely a Section,or Flight out of the larger Squadron. So who is Section Lead?My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Louisville guys
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Gardiner;Scout has a hinged flop. In cold weather I find myself leaning forward a bit,but that's so that I can get behind the windscreen a little closer. I do notget wind down my back from the flop.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Gardiner;Scout has a hinged flop. In cold weather I find myself leaning forward a bit,but that's so that I can get behind the windscreen a little closer. I do notget wind down my back from the flop.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just seat belts.Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it tradition touse only a lap belt?If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was built- would share how you did it?Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness - but sincethe seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some seriouswood cutting to install the shoulder harness.Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:07:22 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just seat belts.Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it tradition touse only a lap belt?If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was built- would share how you did it?Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness - but sincethe seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some seriouswood cutting to install the shoulder harness.Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:07:22 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Shad,Cool... come out for a pancake breakfast or something!Andy AbreuKTDZRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Shad,Cool... come out for a pancake breakfast or something!Andy AbreuKTDZRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Craig Aho
Hi Zeke,Thanks ... Let me know when you are coming and I will be sure to be at Culpeper.Its only 10 minutes from the house.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Zeke,Thanks ... Let me know when you are coming and I will be sure to be at Culpeper.Its only 10 minutes from the house.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
JimI wasnt going to share this with anyone but I have already showed this pic to a few guys from my EAA chapter so here it is. The point here is I had landed and was fast taxiing down the runway and something happend and I ran off the side of the runway into a snow bank. My point is my four point harness held me just fine, I would have been injured with a simple 2 point beltDick N. ----- Original Message -----
JimI wasnt going to share this with anyone but I have already showed this pic to a few guys from my EAA chapter so here it is. The point here is I had landed and was fast taxiing down the runway and something happend and I ran off the side of the runway into a snow bank. My point is my four point harness held me just fine, I would have been injured with a simple 2 point beltDick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: DandD Boyd
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: YouTube 1 hour Garmin 1000 Tutorial here---Oscar,This video was posted by a very capable flight instructor and even a steam gauge guy like me was able to pickupquite a few things in just a few minutes from this gent. He fails to mention if he flew in the military or not though.Mike C.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0y6p0ct1m0Dick RochfortDick Rochfort is a full-time Master Certified Flight Instructor providing type-specific, insurance-approved initial, recurrent and instructor standardization training, buyer consulting, aircraft relocation and expert witness services to Piper PA46 (Matrix, Malibu, Mirage, and Meridian) owners, pilots and instructors worldwide.He holds ATP and Gold Seal Flight Instructor Certificates with CFII, MEI, and CE-525S ratings. He has been actively involved in flight training as an instructor since 1991.Dick is an Aviation Safety Counselor for the FAA Baltimore Flight Standards District Office, a National Industry Member of the FAA Safety Team (FAAST) and a member of the FAA Wings Industry Advisory Committee. His training program is FITS (FAA Industry Training Standards) approved and FAA Wings approved and fully insured. He has held the National Association of Flight Instructors (NAFI) Master CFI designation for over 10 years.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Subject: Pietenpol-List: YouTube 1 hour Garmin 1000 Tutorial here---Oscar,This video was posted by a very capable flight instructor and even a steam gauge guy like me was able to pickupquite a few things in just a few minutes from this gent. He fails to mention if he flew in the military or not though.Mike C.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0y6p0ct1m0Dick RochfortDick Rochfort is a full-time Master Certified Flight Instructor providing type-specific, insurance-approved initial, recurrent and instructor standardization training, buyer consulting, aircraft relocation and expert witness services to Piper PA46 (Matrix, Malibu, Mirage, and Meridian) owners, pilots and instructors worldwide.He holds ATP and Gold Seal Flight Instructor Certificates with CFII, MEI, and CE-525S ratings. He has been actively involved in flight training as an instructor since 1991.Dick is an Aviation Safety Counselor for the FAA Baltimore Flight Standards District Office, a National Industry Member of the FAA Safety Team (FAAST) and a member of the FAA Wings Industry Advisory Committee. His training program is FITS (FAA Industry Training Standards) approved and FAA Wings approved and fully insured. He has held the National Association of Flight Instructors (NAFI) Master CFI designation for over 10 years.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: Craig Aho
Hey Dick!REALLY sorry to see that, trust me, I know! Anyway, kinda ironic, I was goingto make a post and have him ask YOU how you did your upper belt restraints (imaginethey're the same in 2RN and 25RN?) with the cables back to the tailpost,as it seems like an easy retrofit and, as I can also attest, work really well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Dick!REALLY sorry to see that, trust me, I know! Anyway, kinda ironic, I was goingto make a post and have him ask YOU how you did your upper belt restraints (imaginethey're the same in 2RN and 25RN?) with the cables back to the tailpost,as it seems like an easy retrofit and, as I can also attest, work really well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Andy the link said page not foundSent from my iPadJack TextorOn Apr 24, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andre Abreu wrote:> The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke. > We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for flying season.> > Here are some pictures.> http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3> > Andy Abreu > KTDZ> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
Andy the link said page not foundSent from my iPadJack TextorOn Apr 24, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andre Abreu wrote:> The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke. > We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for flying season.> > Here are some pictures.> http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3> > Andy Abreu > KTDZ> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
Original Posted By: Rick Schreiber
First Flight in Mr. Sam .... Magic, just plain and simple, Pure Magic. Finallyhooked up with Chuck Tippet this afternoon. He was pressed for time - so wehad just enough time to do three patterns and landings. What a great feeling- open cockpit is the way to go. Reminds me so much of my days flying a Stearmanat the Flying Circus. Piet felt solid and steady in all phases of flight.That O-200 has some kick ! Tomorrow we will finish up the insurance requirementfor 5 landings to a full stop. Then I'm off on my own. I can hear thewild blue yonder calling me ......--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:06:08 -0500
First Flight in Mr. Sam .... Magic, just plain and simple, Pure Magic. Finallyhooked up with Chuck Tippet this afternoon. He was pressed for time - so wehad just enough time to do three patterns and landings. What a great feeling- open cockpit is the way to go. Reminds me so much of my days flying a Stearmanat the Flying Circus. Piet felt solid and steady in all phases of flight.That O-200 has some kick ! Tomorrow we will finish up the insurance requirementfor 5 landings to a full stop. Then I'm off on my own. I can hear thewild blue yonder calling me ......
--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:06:08 -0500Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
For those of you flying with an O-200 - do these look about right?Airspeed Limitations Never Exceed Speed (Vne).......................100 mph75% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 2000 RPM................70 mph65% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 1900 RPM................60 mph55% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 1800 RPM................55 mphRate of Climb at Sea Level, Gross Weight.......400 fpmTakeoff PerformanceGround Roll Sod................................450 ftGround Roll Pavement...........................400 ftTotal Distance over 50 ft Obstacle.............1,500 ftLanding Performance Ground Roll......................................400 ftDistance over 50 ft. Obstacle (estimated........1200 ftStall speed, Power Off..........................30 mphAirSpeed LimitationsVne Never Exceed Speed......................90 mphVno Maximum Structural Cruising Speed.......70 mphVa Maneuvering Speed @ 1150 lbs............60 mphVr Rotation Speed..........................55 mphVs Stall Speed.............................30 mphVy Best Rate of Climb......................65 mphVx Best Angle of Climb.....................50 mphVmpg Best Economical Cruise Speed............70 mphVg Maximum Glide Distance Power Off......55 mphVef Engine Failure after Take Off Speed.....65 mphAirSpeed MarkingsGreen Arc...................................30 - 80 mphYellow Arc..................................80 - 100 mph--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
For those of you flying with an O-200 - do these look about right?Airspeed Limitations Never Exceed Speed (Vne).......................100 mph75% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 2000 RPM................70 mph65% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 1900 RPM................60 mph55% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 1800 RPM................55 mphRate of Climb at Sea Level, Gross Weight.......400 fpmTakeoff PerformanceGround Roll Sod................................450 ftGround Roll Pavement...........................400 ftTotal Distance over 50 ft Obstacle.............1,500 ftLanding Performance Ground Roll......................................400 ftDistance over 50 ft. Obstacle (estimated........1200 ftStall speed, Power Off..........................30 mphAirSpeed LimitationsVne Never Exceed Speed......................90 mphVno Maximum Structural Cruising Speed.......70 mphVa Maneuvering Speed @ 1150 lbs............60 mphVr Rotation Speed..........................55 mphVs Stall Speed.............................30 mphVy Best Rate of Climb......................65 mphVx Best Angle of Climb.....................50 mphVmpg Best Economical Cruise Speed............70 mphVg Maximum Glide Distance Power Off......55 mphVef Engine Failure after Take Off Speed.....65 mphAirSpeed MarkingsGreen Arc...................................30 - 80 mphYellow Arc..................................80 - 100 mph--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________