Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead,thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm hopingto fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously about headingfurther north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a small group...Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: Robert Bush
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ashes... UNCLASSIFIEDI was not in the plane. However, the family all said the old farmer would havelaughed his tail off. Later I was with an ash release over a ranch on Palo Duro canyon. We wanted itto go well, So a fellow skydiver climbed/leaned way out of the plane (with isrig on) and I held his leg straps. We are about 1500 feet AGL but only about 300feet above the family on the canyon rim. They said his ashes looked like silverin the setting sunlight. Anouther story. While working as a Lineboy at Williamsburg, VA, someone calledthe FBO and asked me who could drop remains into the Chesapeake Bay. In a soothingvoice I gave them the phone number to our flight school. After I hung upand told my coworkers, we all started laughing, what if they weren't talking aboutashes but a body? what if they were Mafia wanting to dispose of a body?Blue Skies,Steve D On 04/15/13, taildrags wrote:> > Steve: you wouldn't happen to *know* one of those guys from the Texas Panhandle,or maybe even *be* one of those guys, would you? ;o)> > Douwe, I really appreciate your desire to do this properly, and with dignity.My dad wanted us to scatter his ashes in the Gulf of Mexico, where we spent many,many wonderful hours and days fishing offshore. It was so relaxing to beout of sight of land on the blue water, lines out behind the boat, and nothingon the horizon. So we chartered a big "party boat" (fishing boat that takes abunch of folks out fishing), since we are a large family and Dad wanted all ofus to be able to go and enjoy the outing at the same time that we said our good-byesto him. When the moment came to scatter his ashes, we had the same embarrassingexperience of having ashes and dust come wafting back over the railof the boat and into the family members. All the best intentions were spoiledby the foibles of wind on the open water.> > The deed got done and we ended up spending the twilight hours back in Port Aransasin the very setting that Dad would have wanted us to, but it was not a pleasantmoment when the ashes were actually released. Give it some thought, makea dry run or two with some innocuous fireplace sweepings, and then the emotionsof the moment won't be diverted when things don't go as planned. If you actuallyhad such a mentor and wanted to remember him in this way, you would dowell to remember him the way others have suggested here, with well thought outrelease mechanisms that honor the departed and properly scatter his final remains.We stand on the shoulders of men like him in order to reach the sky ourselves,as you have so beautifully demonstrated.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 678#398678> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ashes... UNCLASSIFIEDI was not in the plane. However, the family all said the old farmer would havelaughed his tail off. Later I was with an ash release over a ranch on Palo Duro canyon. We wanted itto go well, So a fellow skydiver climbed/leaned way out of the plane (with isrig on) and I held his leg straps. We are about 1500 feet AGL but only about 300feet above the family on the canyon rim. They said his ashes looked like silverin the setting sunlight. Anouther story. While working as a Lineboy at Williamsburg, VA, someone calledthe FBO and asked me who could drop remains into the Chesapeake Bay. In a soothingvoice I gave them the phone number to our flight school. After I hung upand told my coworkers, we all started laughing, what if they weren't talking aboutashes but a body? what if they were Mafia wanting to dispose of a body?Blue Skies,Steve D On 04/15/13, taildrags wrote:> > Steve: you wouldn't happen to *know* one of those guys from the Texas Panhandle,or maybe even *be* one of those guys, would you? ;o)> > Douwe, I really appreciate your desire to do this properly, and with dignity.My dad wanted us to scatter his ashes in the Gulf of Mexico, where we spent many,many wonderful hours and days fishing offshore. It was so relaxing to beout of sight of land on the blue water, lines out behind the boat, and nothingon the horizon. So we chartered a big "party boat" (fishing boat that takes abunch of folks out fishing), since we are a large family and Dad wanted all ofus to be able to go and enjoy the outing at the same time that we said our good-byesto him. When the moment came to scatter his ashes, we had the same embarrassingexperience of having ashes and dust come wafting back over the railof the boat and into the family members. All the best intentions were spoiledby the foibles of wind on the open water.> > The deed got done and we ended up spending the twilight hours back in Port Aransasin the very setting that Dad would have wanted us to, but it was not a pleasantmoment when the ashes were actually released. Give it some thought, makea dry run or two with some innocuous fireplace sweepings, and then the emotionsof the moment won't be diverted when things don't go as planned. If you actuallyhad such a mentor and wanted to remember him in this way, you would dowell to remember him the way others have suggested here, with well thought outrelease mechanisms that honor the departed and properly scatter his final remains.We stand on the shoulders of men like him in order to reach the sky ourselves,as you have so beautifully demonstrated.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 678#398678> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Hi Don, I'm thinking about doing the same thing and would love to have the companyinto Oshkosh. So count me in if nothing comes up to get in the way.Randy BushSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 16, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:> > Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead,thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'mhoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously about headingfurther north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a small group...> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 744#398744> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Hi Don, I'm thinking about doing the same thing and would love to have the companyinto Oshkosh. So count me in if nothing comes up to get in the way.Randy BushSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 16, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:> > Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead,thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'mhoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously about headingfurther north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a small group...> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 744#398744> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Hey Randy,Yeah, I'm just kicking it around right now. I had a lot of fun a few years agowhen we all went in. Just remember if you get invited to camp in one of thelittle "compounds" be sure to bring double ear protection! My tent was in thisfun tribe. Ha!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ______Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:22:36 +0000 (UTC)
Hey Randy,Yeah, I'm just kicking it around right now. I had a lot of fun a few years agowhen we all went in. Just remember if you get invited to camp in one of thelittle "compounds" be sure to bring double ear protection! My tent was in thisfun tribe. Ha!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ______Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:22:36 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: gcardinal
We'll talk @ the SAC, but I think count me in. Bob.-----Original Message-----
We'll talk @ the SAC, but I think count me in. Bob.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Bill;I'll try to beat some of the others to the punch, but here are the top three thingsyou'll probably hear if you're just starting out:1. If you don't already own a set of the genuine Pietenpol family plans for theAir Camper, invest in them and start spending some time looking at them. Carefully,slowly, and just letting the details start to come together to make sense.2. If don't already own a set of Tony Bingelis' books on building experimentalaircraft, put them at the top of your Christmas list. Lots of good informationon building, hardware, techniques, tips, ideas, and answers.3. Let us know where you're located. Chances are there is a Piet builder, owner,or pilot near you. This is better than money in the bank or spruce lumberin the shop, because the more time you can spend looking at, touching, sittingin, flying in, or examining other Piets, the more money you will save and themore re-work you'll spare yourself.Might as well throw in the 4th and 5th most popular comments you'll get:4. Visit Chris Tracy's website at www.westcoastpiet.com and start going through pictures of Piets. It's a gold mine.5. All of the other answers to life's questions, philosophy, smart-alecky remarks,and male/female relationships (not to mention aviation truths) can all befound in the cult classic movie "The Great Waldo Pepper". Get it. Oh, and mightas well throw in #6... get Mike Cuy's video on building and flying the PietenpolAir Camper.End of sermon.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Bill;I'll try to beat some of the others to the punch, but here are the top three thingsyou'll probably hear if you're just starting out:1. If you don't already own a set of the genuine Pietenpol family plans for theAir Camper, invest in them and start spending some time looking at them. Carefully,slowly, and just letting the details start to come together to make sense.2. If don't already own a set of Tony Bingelis' books on building experimentalaircraft, put them at the top of your Christmas list. Lots of good informationon building, hardware, techniques, tips, ideas, and answers.3. Let us know where you're located. Chances are there is a Piet builder, owner,or pilot near you. This is better than money in the bank or spruce lumberin the shop, because the more time you can spend looking at, touching, sittingin, flying in, or examining other Piets, the more money you will save and themore re-work you'll spare yourself.Might as well throw in the 4th and 5th most popular comments you'll get:4. Visit Chris Tracy's website at www.westcoastpiet.com and start going through pictures of Piets. It's a gold mine.5. All of the other answers to life's questions, philosophy, smart-alecky remarks,and male/female relationships (not to mention aviation truths) can all befound in the cult classic movie "The Great Waldo Pepper". Get it. Oh, and mightas well throw in #6... get Mike Cuy's video on building and flying the PietenpolAir Camper.End of sermon.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Brett, I talked with Gene at his hangar the other day. He is definitely goingto Brodhead. Don't know his thoughts on Oshkosh. The idea of low and slow,and legs no longer than 1 1/2 hours, and landing only at grass strips sounds perfect.I am looking forward to this. For me, its the adventure of the journey. I got Mr. Sam home yesterday. Chuck did a great job bring my Piet up from Sarasota.I have lots of tailwheel time, but the rudder bar is new to me. So todayits wash the Piet and then its taxi practice on the ramp until I am real comfortablewith the bar.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Brett, I talked with Gene at his hangar the other day. He is definitely goingto Brodhead. Don't know his thoughts on Oshkosh. The idea of low and slow,and legs no longer than 1 1/2 hours, and landing only at grass strips sounds perfect.I am looking forward to this. For me, its the adventure of the journey. I got Mr. Sam home yesterday. Chuck did a great job bring my Piet up from Sarasota.I have lots of tailwheel time, but the rudder bar is new to me. So todayits wash the Piet and then its taxi practice on the ramp until I am real comfortablewith the bar.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
In '09 when we went in as a group there was talk ahead of time that some guys mightjust side step and land on the grass beside the runway at the last minute.As I was on final a couple of the guys ahead of me did that, mainly becauseof a really strong direct crosswind. I've done that at many airports too. Notreally a big deal, especially there since the grass between the runway andtaxiway is clear and nice. Heck they want you to pull off into the grass as soonas you can in your landing roll anyway. Just a thought if you can't do theultralight strip.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
In '09 when we went in as a group there was talk ahead of time that some guys mightjust side step and land on the grass beside the runway at the last minute.As I was on final a couple of the guys ahead of me did that, mainly becauseof a really strong direct crosswind. I've done that at many airports too. Notreally a big deal, especially there since the grass between the runway andtaxiway is clear and nice. Heck they want you to pull off into the grass as soonas you can in your landing roll anyway. Just a thought if you can't do theultralight strip.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Welcome aboard Bill!Obviously, making mods on Pietenpol "excites the masses" as well it shouldin many cases.As mentioned, there are small "mods" and there are big ones.The two main ones you mention though, raising the wing a couple inches andlengthening the wing have both been done successfully.There are numerous piets out there with wings raised one to two inches tomake ingress/egress easier.Bill Rewey lengthened his wings and has happily flown hundreds of passengersover the last decade or two, on days when others weren't comfortable doingso.That being said, lengthening the wings DOES introduce a cascade affect whichyou need to watch out for. I think Bill lengthened his center section, Andeach wing (but I could certainly be wrong) All of this changes some fittinggeometry, strut length, attach points, linkage lengths, etc, etc, etc. Once done however, I've not heard of anyone crashing and burning, or wishingthey hadn't done it. But maybe it's just me.In my humble opinion though. Built to the plans, and lightly, a Ford piet isjust fine as it is. Has been for almost ninty years. Raise the wing if youlike as it adds almost no weight. IF I was a big guy and I was building aFord Piet, I'd consider a bit longer wing, BUT I would go into it carefully.Mathematically, I suppose it would HAVE to slow you down a bit, but with itwould be negligible, like from 70 down to 67 but it would lift a littlebetter. If you're not a huge guy, just leave her as designed and enjoy.My main suggestion though is this. Keep it as close to the plans as you canand just build it. Sure, make it your own creation in the little things,but keep her basically stock. Don't overthink everything or try to reinventthe plane. It is a fun, safe, solid little plane. You can knock yourselfout changing things and end up with something that performs identically tothe original, or usually worse. Just build and don't get sidetracked so youcan enjoy flying.$.02Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator
Welcome aboard Bill!Obviously, making mods on Pietenpol "excites the masses" as well it shouldin many cases.As mentioned, there are small "mods" and there are big ones.The two main ones you mention though, raising the wing a couple inches andlengthening the wing have both been done successfully.There are numerous piets out there with wings raised one to two inches tomake ingress/egress easier.Bill Rewey lengthened his wings and has happily flown hundreds of passengersover the last decade or two, on days when others weren't comfortable doingso.That being said, lengthening the wings DOES introduce a cascade affect whichyou need to watch out for. I think Bill lengthened his center section, Andeach wing (but I could certainly be wrong) All of this changes some fittinggeometry, strut length, attach points, linkage lengths, etc, etc, etc. Once done however, I've not heard of anyone crashing and burning, or wishingthey hadn't done it. But maybe it's just me.In my humble opinion though. Built to the plans, and lightly, a Ford piet isjust fine as it is. Has been for almost ninty years. Raise the wing if youlike as it adds almost no weight. IF I was a big guy and I was building aFord Piet, I'd consider a bit longer wing, BUT I would go into it carefully.Mathematically, I suppose it would HAVE to slow you down a bit, but with itwould be negligible, like from 70 down to 67 but it would lift a littlebetter. If you're not a huge guy, just leave her as designed and enjoy.My main suggestion though is this. Keep it as close to the plans as you canand just build it. Sure, make it your own creation in the little things,but keep her basically stock. Don't overthink everything or try to reinventthe plane. It is a fun, safe, solid little plane. You can knock yourselfout changing things and end up with something that performs identically tothe original, or usually worse. Just build and don't get sidetracked so youcan enjoy flying.$.02Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: gcardinal
AWESOME, I finally get to use my removable tailwheel idea. I would love to join you. That makes it easy, and I don't have to worry about doing my first ever hard-surface landing.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
AWESOME, I finally get to use my removable tailwheel idea. I would love to join you. That makes it easy, and I don't have to worry about doing my first ever hard-surface landing.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I dont want to get you overly excited, but I got an e mail from OSH about the radial engine get together. Anyway they were talking about possibly working on a new runway for taildraggers. I have been meaning to contact them but havent gotten to it yet. I just got home from SNF and am quite tired, great show though.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
I dont want to get you overly excited, but I got an e mail from OSH about the radial engine get together. Anyway they were talking about possibly working on a new runway for taildraggers. I have been meaning to contact them but havent gotten to it yet. I just got home from SNF and am quite tired, great show though.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Original Posted By: shad bell