Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word". So that'swhat I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within travelingdistance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more detailed directions orinfo, please contact me.> June 15th Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope and BrianKenney for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt aircraft. 10 am todusk lunch provided. Farm located at 374 Concession 7E in East Flamborough.Camping spots for Friday or Saturday are available. RAA chapter barbeque on thefield Friday evening. Runway is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the southend of the field. Circuits for 32 are right hand.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Inexpensive, but won't hold up to solvents.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Inexpensive, but won't hold up to solvents.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Of all the luck...On the other hand, you could still drive. Google maps says it would only be a37 hour drive (each way) for you, Gary.To put things in perspective for others, it's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Buffalo,NY, and about 3 hours drive from Detroit, MI.> Gary wrote:> DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that! > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Of all the luck...On the other hand, you could still drive. Google maps says it would only be a37 hour drive (each way) for you, Gary.To put things in perspective for others, it's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Buffalo,NY, and about 3 hours drive from Detroit, MI.> Gary wrote:> DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that! > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yes! We were loaded and having chicken fried steak by noon!Gary BootheNX308MB
Yes! We were loaded and having chicken fried steak by noon!Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I plan to be there! What I'm hoping for is a chance for 10-15 min of stick time in a somebody's Piet....----- Original Message -----
I plan to be there! What I'm hoping for is a chance for 10-15 min of stick time in a somebody's Piet....----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
VERY nice!! Thanks for sharing that!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
VERY nice!! Thanks for sharing that!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Okay, Bill, I am completely embarrassed by my maintained knowledge of geography.I am from Minnesota and duck hunt every year in Ontario. I thought it'd bedoable to drive a couple hours to see some Piets in 'Southern Ontario'. GuessI forgot the Providence stretched all the way to New York. Guess I will spendthat weekend studying an atlas as a refresher. Wish I could make it as I haveto work over Brodhead this year. . .TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Okay, Bill, I am completely embarrassed by my maintained knowledge of geography.I am from Minnesota and duck hunt every year in Ontario. I thought it'd bedoable to drive a couple hours to see some Piets in 'Southern Ontario'. GuessI forgot the Providence stretched all the way to New York. Guess I will spendthat weekend studying an atlas as a refresher. Wish I could make it as I haveto work over Brodhead this year. . .TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
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Original Posted By: "tdudley57(at)gmail.com"
Chris; I understand the concept of overturning moment ;o) I'll be at the hangarthis weekend and will level up the airplane and measure from the top of thetop longeron to the ground. I know I've done it before, but I don't rememberwhere I wrote it down.And not to contradict what Ken said, just getting back to the design article anda technical point, it may be that the CG is vertically positioned somewherenear the top longeron. Look at the head-on diagram in the article and the CGis shown roughly on the nose of the airplane, which (unless you have a Ford A-poweredPiet), is close to the level of the top longeron. Not exactly, but close.The overturning moment is created in part by the mass at the CG acting on a momentarm equal to its height above the ground. The higher the CG is, the 'tippier'the airplane will be in roll, strictly talking about gravity here (no aerodynamicforces). Resisting this tippiness are the main gear, with a wider stancepresenting more resistance to the rolling tendency or 'tippiness'.So, while measuring to the top of the wing as Ken suggests might be useful if therewere significant mass up there, we already know that a pair of wings andstruts is only going to amount to about 1/4 the total weight of the plane... theother 3/4 is down around where the heavier parts are. I think it would beworthwhile to gather some numbers such as width of track and height to top ofthe top longeron and then put them on a graph of some sort. If several well-establishedairplanes and pilots can then provide qualitative reports on 'tippiness'of their airplanes and those reports can be compared to where the data pointsfor those airplanes fall on the graph, we may see a pattern emerge. Someof it is intuitive, of course... a ship with extended cabanes, tall wheels,narrow gear, and a Ford A engine and radiator might be expected to be tippierthan a split-gear, wide-stance, fat tired, flat-4 engined ship would be.All of this is stuff that we should only be doing when it's rainy, windy, and coldout though. Right now we should be flying ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Chris; I understand the concept of overturning moment ;o) I'll be at the hangarthis weekend and will level up the airplane and measure from the top of thetop longeron to the ground. I know I've done it before, but I don't rememberwhere I wrote it down.And not to contradict what Ken said, just getting back to the design article anda technical point, it may be that the CG is vertically positioned somewherenear the top longeron. Look at the head-on diagram in the article and the CGis shown roughly on the nose of the airplane, which (unless you have a Ford A-poweredPiet), is close to the level of the top longeron. Not exactly, but close.The overturning moment is created in part by the mass at the CG acting on a momentarm equal to its height above the ground. The higher the CG is, the 'tippier'the airplane will be in roll, strictly talking about gravity here (no aerodynamicforces). Resisting this tippiness are the main gear, with a wider stancepresenting more resistance to the rolling tendency or 'tippiness'.So, while measuring to the top of the wing as Ken suggests might be useful if therewere significant mass up there, we already know that a pair of wings andstruts is only going to amount to about 1/4 the total weight of the plane... theother 3/4 is down around where the heavier parts are. I think it would beworthwhile to gather some numbers such as width of track and height to top ofthe top longeron and then put them on a graph of some sort. If several well-establishedairplanes and pilots can then provide qualitative reports on 'tippiness'of their airplanes and those reports can be compared to where the data pointsfor those airplanes fall on the graph, we may see a pattern emerge. Someof it is intuitive, of course... a ship with extended cabanes, tall wheels,narrow gear, and a Ford A engine and radiator might be expected to be tippierthan a split-gear, wide-stance, fat tired, flat-4 engined ship would be.All of this is stuff that we should only be doing when it's rainy, windy, and coldout though. Right now we should be flying ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Great timing...I am about to flip my fuselage over and build the gear!Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Great timing...I am about to flip my fuselage over and build the gear!Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I've been biting my tongue.The whole of Rhode Island isn't even that big - let alone one city.
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I've been biting my tongue.The whole of Rhode Island isn't even that big - let alone one city.
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Ken,Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for-"On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point of wheelcontact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees."That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear widththat have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be published, andthis article gives it. My question pertained to the usefulness of the information,and this article does put it to use. Thanks for bringing that out.I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class in collegewhen they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Ken,Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for-"On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point of wheelcontact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees."That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear widththat have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be published, andthis article gives it. My question pertained to the usefulness of the information,and this article does put it to use. Thanks for bringing that out.I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class in collegewhen they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum strutsseem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strengthof the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by whatfactor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed bythe struts?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum strutsseem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strengthof the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by whatfactor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed bythe struts?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of a crosswind.Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a selection ofother interesting aircraft showed up. Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't arriveuntil almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I knew, most ofthe aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to share. However, Idid take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped at the end of the day.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... __________
Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of a crosswind.Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a selection ofother interesting aircraft showed up. Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't arriveuntil almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I knew, most ofthe aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to share. However, Idid take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped at the end of the day.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dang horseless contraptions!!-----Original Message-----
Dang horseless contraptions!!-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
It was great. I got to comb a pietenpol over and I got my first ride in Brian's Piet C-FAUK... Was a great experience and a great motivator.....----- Original Message -----
It was great. I got to comb a pietenpol over and I got my first ride in Brian's Piet C-FAUK... Was a great experience and a great motivator.....----- Original Message -----