Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Jeff, I have about 11 hours in my buddies rag wing. In fact I did the first flightson it. His rag wing liked three point takeoffs and landings. Wheel landingsand takeoffs were difficult and a waste of time since it would be air born:n half the distance it would take to get the tail off the ground. That said.Once in the air, they fly very much alike and bleed off airspeed very quicklyduring the flare. I would think that if you understand the rag wing you willnot have any problems with the Piet. Go fly it and have fun. Great looking planeHappy Landings,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between contactpatches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't rememberit right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension between airplanes,as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground handling.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between contactpatches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't rememberit right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension between airplanes,as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground handling.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
RE: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Measured it tonight when we got her home...52". But I did not measure thegear height (that should be important, too).Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Measured it tonight when we got her home...52". But I did not measure thegear height (that should be important, too).Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Great job John--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Great job John--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "The real bike Mike"
Hey guys,If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden gear hada 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear... Either way,it sounds too narrow.But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would with theJenny style original gear (wooden)... Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider to beginwith, over and above what the plans call for...I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.Thanks!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey guys,If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden gear hada 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear... Either way,it sounds too narrow.But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would with theJenny style original gear (wooden)... Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider to beginwith, over and above what the plans call for...I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.Thanks!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
56" tread, center to center, steel gear, individually sprung (bungeed).-----Original Message-----
56" tread, center to center, steel gear, individually sprung (bungeed).-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
The only landing gear plans I have are of the split axel gear with Cub type wheels (which I am going to use). The dimensions given show the gear is 56 inches wide from the centers of the wheels and the height as 48.5 inches from the top longeron to the ground. OOPS -- I did find a dimension of 51 inches from the top longeron to the ground for the Large Wheel version. It doesn't give a tread width. In the Pietenpol book, there is a drawing of the original wooden landing gear with the large wheels. The dimension between the wooden landing gear struts is 42-1/2 inches measured from the inside of the bottom white ash blocks. The height from the bottom of the fuselage at the forward landing gear fitting to the bottom of the white ash block is 17 inches. Does this help? Chuck----- Original Message -----
The only landing gear plans I have are of the split axel gear with Cub type wheels (which I am going to use). The dimensions given show the gear is 56 inches wide from the centers of the wheels and the height as 48.5 inches from the top longeron to the ground. OOPS -- I did find a dimension of 51 inches from the top longeron to the ground for the Large Wheel version. It doesn't give a tread width. In the Pietenpol book, there is a drawing of the original wooden landing gear with the large wheels. The dimension between the wooden landing gear struts is 42-1/2 inches measured from the inside of the bottom white ash blocks. The height from the bottom of the fuselage at the forward landing gear fitting to the bottom of the white ash block is 17 inches. Does this help? Chuck----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Original Posted By:> rdewenter
What he said!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 5, 2013, at 6:08 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:> Congratulations John!!> > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL> -----Original Message-----
What he said!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 5, 2013, at 6:08 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:> Congratulations John!!> > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL> -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
Pietenpol-List: Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Original Posted By: "VanDy"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hangar floor color I say paint it in latex to match your house and your fabric:) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hangar floor color I say paint it in latex to match your house and your fabric:) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Joe;I would take my measuring tape and erase every other mark on it if it's markedin 1/16", and twice that many if it's marked in 1/32". You won't need those whenyou build a 1929 aircraft out of wood and fabric, especially if you buildit on the floor of your barn like Mr. Pietenpol did. The point on the stub ofa yellow No. 2 pencil draws a line thicker than 1/16" ;o)Seriously, I think just tautening the fabric on these surfaces could change your"right on the money" uncovered surface by 1/16", so don't sweat it. Also, likeMike and others have pointed out, you can play with the tail surface anglesand warp by using the tail brace wires, if yours are adjustable. The puristswho use twisted hard wire ferrules with no turnbuckles don't have as much luxurythat way, but they do save weight and cost by not installing turnbuckleswith clevises back there.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Joe;I would take my measuring tape and erase every other mark on it if it's markedin 1/16", and twice that many if it's marked in 1/32". You won't need those whenyou build a 1929 aircraft out of wood and fabric, especially if you buildit on the floor of your barn like Mr. Pietenpol did. The point on the stub ofa yellow No. 2 pencil draws a line thicker than 1/16" ;o)Seriously, I think just tautening the fabric on these surfaces could change your"right on the money" uncovered surface by 1/16", so don't sweat it. Also, likeMike and others have pointed out, you can play with the tail surface anglesand warp by using the tail brace wires, if yours are adjustable. The puristswho use twisted hard wire ferrules with no turnbuckles don't have as much luxurythat way, but they do save weight and cost by not installing turnbuckleswith clevises back there.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Thanks Chuck.I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memorylast night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had is Iam a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making the gearas stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher thanthe plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best,rather than my guesswork
Thanks again for the feedback!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:10:13 +0000 (UTC)
Thanks Chuck.I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memorylast night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had is Iam a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making the gearas stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher thanthe plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best,rather than my guesswork
Thanks again for the feedback!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:10:13 +0000 (UTC)Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear UNCLASSIFIEDThe Piper Cub gear on my plane is 70 inches from center to center of the tires.Blue Skies,Steve DOn 06/05/13, Mark Roberts wrote:> > Thanks Chuck.> > I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memorylast night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had isI am a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making thegear as stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher thanthe plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best,rather than my guesswork > > Thanks again for the feedback!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 079#402079> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear UNCLASSIFIEDThe Piper Cub gear on my plane is 70 inches from center to center of the tires.Blue Skies,Steve DOn 06/05/13, Mark Roberts wrote:> > Thanks Chuck.> > I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memorylast night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had isI am a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making thegear as stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher thanthe plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best,rather than my guesswork
> > Thanks again for the feedback!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 079#402079> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee tips--long To make life easier in wrapping bungees don't order your by-the-foot bungee from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. They bothlist it as 1/2" but it is actually 5/8" diameter which is magnitudes more difficult to wrap and secure.I will check where I purchased my last batch when I go to the hangar but it was some marine supply place in New Englandand it is a true 1/2" and good quality. Avoid buying bungee/ shock cord from flea markets and places like Harbor Freight.This is one area where you want good stuff and it really isn't that expensive, even for the good shock cord.>From the get-go 15 years ago I went with 6' x =BD" diameter for each axel end. Works fine. One year I ordered "1/2 inch" fromWicks or ACS and it was way thicker- more like 5/8" and without even trying it I returned it. I admire you guys who can actuallywrap and secure that stuff. I think Steve Irwin had an easier time wrestling alligators than he would have had wrapping 5/8" bungee.I lift up my Jenny gear by putting a bottle jack under each ash member. My 1/8" safety loop cable will catch the axel before it bashesup into the lower longeron should the gear slip off the jack.I use a figure-eight kind of wrap and start it with one loop and several (like 4 or 5) use high quality tye-wraps with a tye-wrap gun tosecure the first loop. Snip and file clean those sharp ends of the cut excess. Wrap tighter than you think you'll need and the securethe other end with about 5-6 closely spaced tye-wraps, snip the ends and file them smooth. All tye-wraps are not created equal.I only use the Ty-Rap brand. (photo below) After about 4 years the UV and smoke oil tire out the bungee rubber and wraps (especiallythe smoke oil side.) but by then they are usually dirty enough where a makeover looks nice anyway. More below.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390][cid:image003.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390]I wrap and secure both sides and if the axel is off the ash blocks at all, the bungees are too loose. With a passenger and full fuel the axel will be up2, 3" off the blocks and that isn't what you want. Time to re-wrap. Once you have it go out to your wing struts and rock the plane on the gear I canlift each wheel off the ground when I do my test but there should be about an inch or inch and a half movement of the axel off the block before you canlift it off the ground. You also can go side-to-side and see if one bungee is significantly tighter than the other. There have been times when I had tore-wrap 2, 3 times to get it right. They don't have to be perfectly even but you'll know---especially when you go out for a taxi test. Watch that bumpingand how far each axle comes off the ash blocks and you'll see clearly what you have. I generally have about zero to =BD" of axel-to-ash clearance whenI'm taxiing out with a full tank of fuel. With a passenger I usually have about an inch of axel off the ash blocks depending how much they weigh.Hope this helps all of you Infidels:).Mike C.PS-did I mention that my Uncle Tony talks about bungee cords? He mostly covers the loop-style for the other type gear legs if you're not using the springs.[cid:image005.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee tips--long To make life easier in wrapping bungees don't order your by-the-foot bungee from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. They bothlist it as 1/2" but it is actually 5/8" diameter which is magnitudes more difficult to wrap and secure.I will check where I purchased my last batch when I go to the hangar but it was some marine supply place in New Englandand it is a true 1/2" and good quality. Avoid buying bungee/ shock cord from flea markets and places like Harbor Freight.This is one area where you want good stuff and it really isn't that expensive, even for the good shock cord.>From the get-go 15 years ago I went with 6' x =BD" diameter for each axel end. Works fine. One year I ordered "1/2 inch" fromWicks or ACS and it was way thicker- more like 5/8" and without even trying it I returned it. I admire you guys who can actuallywrap and secure that stuff. I think Steve Irwin had an easier time wrestling alligators than he would have had wrapping 5/8" bungee.I lift up my Jenny gear by putting a bottle jack under each ash member. My 1/8" safety loop cable will catch the axel before it bashesup into the lower longeron should the gear slip off the jack.I use a figure-eight kind of wrap and start it with one loop and several (like 4 or 5) use high quality tye-wraps with a tye-wrap gun tosecure the first loop. Snip and file clean those sharp ends of the cut excess. Wrap tighter than you think you'll need and the securethe other end with about 5-6 closely spaced tye-wraps, snip the ends and file them smooth. All tye-wraps are not created equal.I only use the Ty-Rap brand. (photo below) After about 4 years the UV and smoke oil tire out the bungee rubber and wraps (especiallythe smoke oil side.) but by then they are usually dirty enough where a makeover looks nice anyway. More below.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390][cid:image003.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390]I wrap and secure both sides and if the axel is off the ash blocks at all, the bungees are too loose. With a passenger and full fuel the axel will be up2, 3" off the blocks and that isn't what you want. Time to re-wrap. Once you have it go out to your wing struts and rock the plane on the gear I canlift each wheel off the ground when I do my test but there should be about an inch or inch and a half movement of the axel off the block before you canlift it off the ground. You also can go side-to-side and see if one bungee is significantly tighter than the other. There have been times when I had tore-wrap 2, 3 times to get it right. They don't have to be perfectly even but you'll know---especially when you go out for a taxi test. Watch that bumpingand how far each axle comes off the ash blocks and you'll see clearly what you have. I generally have about zero to =BD" of axel-to-ash clearance whenI'm taxiing out with a full tank of fuel. With a passenger I usually have about an inch of axel off the ash blocks depending how much they weigh.Hope this helps all of you Infidels:).Mike C.PS-did I mention that my Uncle Tony talks about bungee cords? He mostly covers the loop-style for the other type gear legs if you're not using the springs.[cid:image005.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: V Groah
70" just sounds better to me ;-)I don't know if there are major draw backs to a wider gear, or if there is a magicformula for width of gear to fuse length that needs to be considered, butwhat would be wrong with a wider gear like 70" ... I know, its wrong because the original design wasn't 70" and its been flying for80+ years.... :-)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
70" just sounds better to me ;-)I don't know if there are major draw backs to a wider gear, or if there is a magicformula for width of gear to fuse length that needs to be considered, butwhat would be wrong with a wider gear like 70" ... I know, its wrong because the original design wasn't 70" and its been flying for80+ years.... :-)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My gear has a tread of 69", and has handled numerous gusty crosswinds. Tome it doesn't look too terribly wide, but see what you think:Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
My gear has a tread of 69", and has handled numerous gusty crosswinds. Tome it doesn't look too terribly wide, but see what you think:Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Tom,Ontario IS big. To put it in perspective, it's about 1.5 times the size of Texas.Your couple of hours drive would put you in Southern Northwestern Ontario.:)I have family up there (just north of Minnesota), and to visit involves an 18 -20 hour drive - and I don't even leave the province. We once had a visitor fromGermany that we took on one of those journeys. She couldn't believe how longthe drive was. In Europe, such a long trip would have encompassed half adozen countries, whereas in Canada, we didn't even leave the province.Too bad you will miss Brodhead this year.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Tom,Ontario IS big. To put it in perspective, it's about 1.5 times the size of Texas.Your couple of hours drive would put you in Southern Northwestern Ontario.:)I have family up there (just north of Minnesota), and to visit involves an 18 -20 hour drive - and I don't even leave the province. We once had a visitor fromGermany that we took on one of those journeys. She couldn't believe how longthe drive was. In Europe, such a long trip would have encompassed half adozen countries, whereas in Canada, we didn't even leave the province.Too bad you will miss Brodhead this year.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Mark,Just for the sake of perspective. Mine is 52" (per gary's measurement) just likeGary's. Although my gear is not as tall as his. Mine works very well.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mark,Just for the sake of perspective. Mine is 52" (per gary's measurement) just likeGary's. Although my gear is not as tall as his. Mine works very well.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broken Bungee & How I repaired itLooks like a very nice solution to your fraying bungee issues Jerry. The bungeewrap nearly covers yourentire leather wrap. Looks really good to me and you should get much longer lifeout of your bungee shock cords.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broken Bungee & How I repaired itLooks like a very nice solution to your fraying bungee issues Jerry. The bungeewrap nearly covers yourentire leather wrap. Looks really good to me and you should get much longer lifeout of your bungee shock cords.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I see your point Scott, BUT, you're a better pilot than I am Kinda like training wheels for me :oRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
I see your point Scott, BUT, you're a better pilot than I am
Kinda like training wheels for me :oRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gearOriginal Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to holda wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to holda wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
>From Round-Up host=2C Pat Panzera:LAST CALL!Join us at the Alternative Engine Roundup this weekend!!!Saturday=2C June 8th=2C 2013 is the date.If you=92ve already registered but have not received your placard for getting in for free=2C PLEASE email me and let me know!If you=92d like to present a forum=2C we can still accommodate you!If you=92ve not yet registered=2C now=92s the time!-----------------------------------------------------------------------CONTACT! Magazine has been sponsoring a free fly-in for the past 10 years. This year it will continue to be held in conjunction with the Golden West Fly-in (as it was for the past two years) located in Marysville (Olivehurst)=2C California (KMYV) and will be held on Saturday=2C June 8th=2C 2013. The Golden West Fly-in on the other hand will be all three days=2C June 7th ' 9th and they permit camping if you are so inclined.And as usual=2C it's FREE for those who elect to exhibit their plane=2C project=2C or engine with us.http://www.ContactMagazine.com/roundup.htmlThe catch? In order for it to be free=2C you must fly in (or trailer in) with an experimental aircraft that has an "alternative engine" and be willing to put it on display with the others. This will entitle you and the occupants who flew in with you to attend the fly-in for free- but you must preregister.And for those of you who have an experimental (data plate removed) hot-rod Lycoming=2C Continental=2C or any number of non-certified=2C non-auto conversion engines (UL=2C Jabiru=2C Hirth=2C Deltahawk=2C etc.) we consider those an "alternative engine" too.Please visit http://www.ContactMagazine.com/roundup.html for preregistration information.If you are flying-in with an aircraft powered by a Subaru=2C Corvair=2C Rotary=2C Honda=2C Geo/Suzuki=2C Ford=2C Chevrolet=2C or any other auto conversion and would like to present a forum (or even if you are currently building one and can't bring it- or CAN bring it on a trailer)=2C please contact me. Editor(at)ContactMagazine.comWe'd love to include you in the fun!And so that those who are unable to make it to the show this year won't feel left out=2C here's some free stuff: http://www.contactmagazine.com/FreeLunch.html--If you receive more than one of these notices=2C please accept my humble apology. It most likely means that we are on more than one of the same email lists. And PLEASE help us spread the word by forwarding this note to anyone you think might benefit from this information.--Thanks!Patrick PanzeraEditor(at)ContactMagazine.comwww.ContactMagazine.comThe next issue of CONTACT! Magazine is seriously delinquent but we hope to have it in hand in time for this event. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
>From Round-Up host=2C Pat Panzera:LAST CALL!Join us at the Alternative Engine Roundup this weekend!!!Saturday=2C June 8th=2C 2013 is the date.If you=92ve already registered but have not received your placard for getting in for free=2C PLEASE email me and let me know!If you=92d like to present a forum=2C we can still accommodate you!If you=92ve not yet registered=2C now=92s the time!-----------------------------------------------------------------------CONTACT! Magazine has been sponsoring a free fly-in for the past 10 years. This year it will continue to be held in conjunction with the Golden West Fly-in (as it was for the past two years) located in Marysville (Olivehurst)=2C California (KMYV) and will be held on Saturday=2C June 8th=2C 2013. The Golden West Fly-in on the other hand will be all three days=2C June 7th ' 9th and they permit camping if you are so inclined.And as usual=2C it's FREE for those who elect to exhibit their plane=2C project=2C or engine with us.http://www.ContactMagazine.com/roundup.htmlThe catch? In order for it to be free=2C you must fly in (or trailer in) with an experimental aircraft that has an "alternative engine" and be willing to put it on display with the others. This will entitle you and the occupants who flew in with you to attend the fly-in for free- but you must preregister.And for those of you who have an experimental (data plate removed) hot-rod Lycoming=2C Continental=2C or any number of non-certified=2C non-auto conversion engines (UL=2C Jabiru=2C Hirth=2C Deltahawk=2C etc.) we consider those an "alternative engine" too.Please visit http://www.ContactMagazine.com/roundup.html for preregistration information.If you are flying-in with an aircraft powered by a Subaru=2C Corvair=2C Rotary=2C Honda=2C Geo/Suzuki=2C Ford=2C Chevrolet=2C or any other auto conversion and would like to present a forum (or even if you are currently building one and can't bring it- or CAN bring it on a trailer)=2C please contact me. Editor(at)ContactMagazine.comWe'd love to include you in the fun!And so that those who are unable to make it to the show this year won't feel left out=2C here's some free stuff: http://www.contactmagazine.com/FreeLunch.html--If you receive more than one of these notices=2C please accept my humble apology. It most likely means that we are on more than one of the same email lists. And PLEASE help us spread the word by forwarding this note to anyone you think might benefit from this information.--Thanks!Patrick PanzeraEditor(at)ContactMagazine.comwww.ContactMagazine.comThe next issue of CONTACT! Magazine is seriously delinquent but we hope to have it in hand in time for this event. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
That's a great point that I hadn't thought of: the crosswind factor. Since theailerons are not known to be overly effective, I too wonder how wide is too wide.The cub gear is 70", and it is close to the Piet in size (6 feet more wing,but still in the ball park).Any aero-scholars out there have any ideas?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:14:18 -0700 (PDT)
That's a great point that I hadn't thought of: the crosswind factor. Since theailerons are not known to be overly effective, I too wonder how wide is too wide.The cub gear is 70", and it is close to the Piet in size (6 feet more wing,but still in the ball park).Any aero-scholars out there have any ideas?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:14:18 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Rick
Hopefully I don't get in trouble for posting this but here is an article aboutlanding gear design. The biggest problem is we don't know where the true centerof gravity (center of mass is probably a better term) on a Pietenpol is locatedwhich makes all this information difficult to apply on our plane. Note: thetrue center of gravity is not along the wing cord like all the drawings ofa planes weight and balance seem to show.--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/land ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Hopefully I don't get in trouble for posting this but here is an article aboutlanding gear design. The biggest problem is we don't know where the true centerof gravity (center of mass is probably a better term) on a Pietenpol is locatedwhich makes all this information difficult to apply on our plane. Note: thetrue center of gravity is not along the wing cord like all the drawings ofa planes weight and balance seem to show.--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/land ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
It's 77" on a Taylorcraft L2Rick SchreiberSent from my iPadOn Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? > > Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to holda wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 124#402124> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
It's 77" on a Taylorcraft L2Rick SchreiberSent from my iPadOn Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? > > Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to holda wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 124#402124> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Thanks Chris,I will have a look at that when I get home. Looks interesting.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Thanks Chris,I will have a look at that when I get home. Looks interesting.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
On the airlion my gear is 57 inches and have not had any trouble with it. gardiner.Sent from my iPadOn Jun 6, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Rick wrote:> > It's 77" on a Taylorcraft L2> Ith> Rick Schreiber> > Sent from my iPad> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> >> >> Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? >> >> Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be tohold a wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know.>> >> -------->> Scott Liefeld>> Flying N11MS since March 1972>> Steel Tube>> C-85-12>> Wire Wheels>> Brodhead in 1996>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 124#402124> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
On the airlion my gear is 57 inches and have not had any trouble with it. gardiner.Sent from my iPadOn Jun 6, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Rick wrote:> > It's 77" on a Taylorcraft L2> Ith> Rick Schreiber> > Sent from my iPad> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> >> >> Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? >> >> Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be tohold a wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know.>> >> -------->> Scott Liefeld>> Flying N11MS since March 1972>> Steel Tube>> C-85-12>> Wire Wheels>> Brodhead in 1996>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 124#402124> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style gear)is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane.Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a niftystatistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style gear)is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane.Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a niftystatistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yes, Oscar...you are! ;-)But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all thisdata would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve atippy problem. BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it'sUNCLASSIFIED....Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Yes, Oscar...you are! ;-)But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all thisdata would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve atippy problem. BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it'sUNCLASSIFIED....Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Hey! I'd like to read that chart Chris! All this is coming at a good time for myplanning... I want to make the gear next...Catdesigns wrote:> Oscar> > Gary is absolutely right, it is very dependent on the height to width. That> is exactly what the article tells us. You can have the same width with> taller gear and it gets tipsy, er I mean tippy. What we really need to make> all this data relevant is the height of the top longeron with the top> longeron level and the gear width. Then we can compare all the data. I> will volunteer to collect the data, make some pretty graphs and crunch the> data IF people will send the gear width AND height of the longeron in a the> level position as measured on their flying Pietenpol. A qualitative report> about you tippyness would also be appreciated. Will it tell us something?> Who knows but it would be fun to find out.> > Oscar you could be the first to send in your data? Or you can fly that plane> down here and I will measure it while you and Gary swap stories of broken> planes over a few beers.> > Chris> Sacramento, Ca> Westcoastpiet.com> > > --Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Hey! I'd like to read that chart Chris! All this is coming at a good time for myplanning... I want to make the gear next...Catdesigns wrote:> Oscar> > Gary is absolutely right, it is very dependent on the height to width. That> is exactly what the article tells us. You can have the same width with> taller gear and it gets tipsy, er I mean tippy. What we really need to make> all this data relevant is the height of the top longeron with the top> longeron level and the gear width. Then we can compare all the data. I> will volunteer to collect the data, make some pretty graphs and crunch the> data IF people will send the gear width AND height of the longeron in a the> level position as measured on their flying Pietenpol. A qualitative report> about you tippyness would also be appreciated. Will it tell us something?> Who knows but it would be fun to find out.> > Oscar you could be the first to send in your data? Or you can fly that plane> down here and I will measure it while you and Gary swap stories of broken> planes over a few beers.> > Chris> Sacramento, Ca> Westcoastpiet.com> > > --Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
It's been bugging me all day Bill--province, not Providence [Wink] .TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
It's been bugging me all day Bill--province, not Providence [Wink] .TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
I'm part Scottish and in CA. I'll visit with you if detour through this neck ofthe woods. Enjoy your trip. The wife says we are going there in three yearsfor our 25th. Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
I'm part Scottish and in CA. I'll visit with you if detour through this neck ofthe woods. Enjoy your trip. The wife says we are going there in three yearsfor our 25th. Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to the topof the upper longeron is 54.75 inches. I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easierto land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in. Mike Groah414MVSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Yes, Oscar...you are!
> > But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.> My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this> data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a> tippy problem. > > BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's> UNCLASSIFIED....> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > -----Original Message-----
Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to the topof the upper longeron is 54.75 inches. I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easierto land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in. Mike Groah414MVSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Yes, Oscar...you are!
> > But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.> My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this> data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a> tippy problem. > > BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's> UNCLASSIFIED....> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > -----Original Message-----Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
I agree totally with Vic's post!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
I agree totally with Vic's post!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Good stuff guys. Keep it comin'...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Good stuff guys. Keep it comin'...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying show UNCLASSIFIEDMonday night James May from Top gear will be in a show called Flight Club. it isabout planes and model planes.I personally love Flying Wild Alaska. While it is very scripted, I hope that itattracts students to flying. Blue Skies,Steven D.UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying show UNCLASSIFIEDMonday night James May from Top gear will be in a show called Flight Club. it isabout planes and model planes.I personally love Flying Wild Alaska. While it is very scripted, I hope that itattracts students to flying. Blue Skies,Steven D.UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By:>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My wheels are 52" to center. Upper longeron is 54 1/2". Additionally, thanks to note from Jerry Dotson, I see that my tail wheel swivelsat a greater rate than the rudder. A longer tail wheel control arm will correctthat. Seems that the wheel should either match the rudder or be slightly less.GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 7, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Michael Groah wrote:> > Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to thetop of the upper longeron is 54.75 inches. > > I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easierto land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in. > > > Mike Groah> 414MV> > Sent from my iPhone> > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> >> Yes, Oscar...you are!>> >> But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.>> My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this>> data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a>> tippy problem. >> >> BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's>> UNCLASSIFIED....>> >> Gary Boothe>> NX308MB>> >> -----Original Message-----
My wheels are 52" to center. Upper longeron is 54 1/2". Additionally, thanks to note from Jerry Dotson, I see that my tail wheel swivelsat a greater rate than the rudder. A longer tail wheel control arm will correctthat. Seems that the wheel should either match the rudder or be slightly less.GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 7, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Michael Groah wrote:> > Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to thetop of the upper longeron is 54.75 inches. > > I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easierto land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in. > > > Mike Groah> 414MV> > Sent from my iPhone> > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> >> Yes, Oscar...you are!
>> >> But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy.>> My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this>> data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a>> tippy problem. >> >> BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's>> UNCLASSIFIED....>> >> Gary Boothe>> NX308MB>> >> -----Original Message-----Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
so,here is my little question.where is the angle of incidence on the 30-612 profilemeasured from? the chord line? the bottoms of the spars? the bottom of theairfoil? any ideas?________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
so,here is my little question.where is the angle of incidence on the 30-612 profilemeasured from? the chord line? the bottoms of the spars? the bottom of theairfoil? any ideas?________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Original Posted By: "tools"
Good Question. I thought I knew until I started to write a reply, and in my reply I began to questionmy own understanding of it, so help us here all you aerodynamically qualifiedpeople!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Good Question. I thought I knew until I started to write a reply, and in my reply I began to questionmy own understanding of it, so help us here all you aerodynamically qualifiedpeople!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
As I recall from all the aero classes I've taken, it's measured from the chordline.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
As I recall from all the aero classes I've taken, it's measured from the chordline.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Re: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
On NX18235 the track is 56" and the top longeron is at 50".Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
On NX18235 the track is 56" and the top longeron is at 50".Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Tom,he is asking about angle of incidence, not angle of attack.Wolfgang Langewiesche in his great book, Stick and Rudder, defined angle of incidenceas "the angle at which your wings are set with reference to the lengthwiseaxis of your airplane."Navy Flight School textbooks define it as "The acute angle between the chord lineof the airfoil and a selected reference plane, usually the longitudinal axisof the aircraft."So, I believe Tools' earlier post is the more correct definition. As to earlier posts of a few days ago, it doesn't matter as much if your ribs areset so the chord is perpendicular to the spars. What matters is how they eventuallyare set with reference to the longitudinal axis, most likely measuredfrom the upper longeron on the fuselage.My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Tom,he is asking about angle of incidence, not angle of attack.Wolfgang Langewiesche in his great book, Stick and Rudder, defined angle of incidenceas "the angle at which your wings are set with reference to the lengthwiseaxis of your airplane."Navy Flight School textbooks define it as "The acute angle between the chord lineof the airfoil and a selected reference plane, usually the longitudinal axisof the aircraft."So, I believe Tools' earlier post is the more correct definition. As to earlier posts of a few days ago, it doesn't matter as much if your ribs areset so the chord is perpendicular to the spars. What matters is how they eventuallyare set with reference to the longitudinal axis, most likely measuredfrom the upper longeron on the fuselage.My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
RE: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
On NX899JP, the tread is 69" and the top longeron is at 52"Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
On NX899JP, the tread is 69" and the top longeron is at 52"Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeronis 49.5" .--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeronis 49.5" .--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I'll be the first to admit that my problems may be as much pilot related as anything,but my re-work includes a spring and a bonafide Matco tailwheel like MikeGroah and Kevin's, placing the wheel further back. My plans-built set up hasalways been sloppy.Scott - Your width is the same as mine is now, but the longeron height is 3" less...FWIW...GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 24, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeronis 49.5" .> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 334#403334> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
I'll be the first to admit that my problems may be as much pilot related as anything,but my re-work includes a spring and a bonafide Matco tailwheel like MikeGroah and Kevin's, placing the wheel further back. My plans-built set up hasalways been sloppy.Scott - Your width is the same as mine is now, but the longeron height is 3" less...FWIW...GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 24, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeronis 49.5" .> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 334#403334> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Gary, I think the tail wheel mod will correct your problem also. What the heckis TWIW? My tail wheel fork is one from Vans. Non-swival. Works very well.An RV-6 builder gave me mine and I adapted it to my airplane. I can take picsnext time I am at the airport. Maybe Friday?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Gary, I think the tail wheel mod will correct your problem also. What the heckis TWIW? My tail wheel fork is one from Vans. Non-swival. Works very well.An RV-6 builder gave me mine and I adapted it to my airplane. I can take picsnext time I am at the airport. Maybe Friday?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
FWIW ???--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
FWIW ???--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Right...corrected by I-phone!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 24, 2013, at 1:14 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > FWIW ???> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 340#403340> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Right...corrected by I-phone!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 24, 2013, at 1:14 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > FWIW ???> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 340#403340> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
ScottNo need to take pictures. There ARE pictures of it on my website. Just say-en.......http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Sco ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
ScottNo need to take pictures. There ARE pictures of it on my website. Just say-en.......http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Sco ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
That sure looks like a swivelling tailwheel to me.But what do I know.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
That sure looks like a swivelling tailwheel to me.But what do I know.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear