Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard of themedium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look.ThanksJohn--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber
Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Yes, John, I have a homemade DVD that I copied from the video tape. I guess I got the tape back in the '80s when I was using the Poly-Fibre to redo an old Tripacer that I converted into a PA-20 Pacer (tail-dragger). I can also lend you a Poly-Fibre manual. Give me the information and I will send them to you. Don't have any dacron fabric to donate. I'm not at that stage yet. Chuck cncampbell(at)windstream.net----- Original Message -----
Yes, John, I have a homemade DVD that I copied from the video tape. I guess I got the tape back in the '80s when I was using the Poly-Fibre to redo an old Tripacer that I converted into a PA-20 Pacer (tail-dragger). I can also lend you a Poly-Fibre manual. Give me the information and I will send them to you. Don't have any dacron fabric to donate. I'm not at that stage yet. Chuck cncampbell(at)windstream.net----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
#2. I can also send a copy of Practical Guide to Aircraft Fabric from Denison Aviation. Suggest also you get a copy of Stewart Systems DVDs. They only cost $20 and, as far as I'm concerned, it is the ONLY way to go when covering an airplane. From experience, the Polytac glue is very difficult to use. You need to put glue on about a foot long and IMMEDIATELY work the fabric into it. The glue dries very quickly. With the Stewart glue, you apply the glue to the surfaces and let it dry before applying the fabric. You can see the basic method on Youtube videos. If you still want the Polytac stuff, let me know. Chuck----- Original Message -----
#2. I can also send a copy of Practical Guide to Aircraft Fabric from Denison Aviation. Suggest also you get a copy of Stewart Systems DVDs. They only cost $20 and, as far as I'm concerned, it is the ONLY way to go when covering an airplane. From experience, the Polytac glue is very difficult to use. You need to put glue on about a foot long and IMMEDIATELY work the fabric into it. The glue dries very quickly. With the Stewart glue, you apply the glue to the surfaces and let it dry before applying the fabric. You can see the basic method on Youtube videos. If you still want the Polytac stuff, let me know. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I knowit is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "oldschool" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system becauseit is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will lookinto it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:55:24 +0000 (UTC)
Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I knowit is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "oldschool" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system becauseit is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will lookinto it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:55:24 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Not an incident, not an accident... what we're talking about here is what is referredto as "deferred maintenance". Meaning, I've known about this stuff, someof it came up on the last annual, but I've just been putting things off. Timeto take care of all of it. Truth be told, I enjoy working on the airplanea lot, too.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:08:30 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber
Not an incident, not an accident... what we're talking about here is what is referredto as "deferred maintenance". Meaning, I've known about this stuff, someof it came up on the last annual, but I've just been putting things off. Timeto take care of all of it. Truth be told, I enjoy working on the airplanea lot, too.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:08:30 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how am I goingto get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue joint asit appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the glue on thespar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, cut theaileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspa ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:05:36 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar
As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how am I goingto get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue joint asit appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the glue on thespar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, cut theaileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspa ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:05:36 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar
Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-FiberGo to youtube, there are lots of videos, its more than enoughMario Giacummo2013/7/5 Marcus Zechini > I wanted the DVD but didnt wanna pay. I bought the book and a starter kit> from A/C Spruce. havent strecthed, yet.> On Jul 5, 2013 7:19 AM, "John Francis" wrote:>>>>> Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard>> of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look.>>>> Thanks>> John>>>> -------->> John Francis>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 971#403971>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> le, List Admin.>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========>>>>>>>> *>> *>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poly-FiberGo to youtube, there are lots of videos, its more than enoughMario Giacummo2013/7/5 Marcus Zechini > I wanted the DVD but didnt wanna pay. I bought the book and a starter kit> from A/C Spruce. havent strecthed, yet.> On Jul 5, 2013 7:19 AM, "John Francis" wrote:>>>>> Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard>> of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look.>>>> Thanks>> John>>>> -------->> John Francis>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 971#403971>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> le, List Admin.>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========>>>>>>>> *>> *>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Guys,I did my first Piet in Poly-Fiber, looks like number 2 is going to be in theStewarts System.PeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://repiet.cpc-world.com-----Original Message-----
Hi Guys,I did my first Piet in Poly-Fiber, looks like number 2 is going to be in theStewarts System.PeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://repiet.cpc-world.com-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Yeah, John. I did my aileron spars about the same as Ken did and the procedure works fine. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Yeah, John. I did my aileron spars about the same as Ken did and the procedure works fine. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: John Francis
Hi John,There are many reasons to use the Stewart system. But there is one overwhelming factor for me. Ask yourself: Realistically, how many times during the whole process will you stop and have to clean up/out your spray gun or brushes/containers skin etc. with nasty solvents? If you are using the Stewart system you simply walk over to the utility sink and turn on the unlimited supply of hot water. It seemed like countless times to me. No way I would EVER use Polyfiber again.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Hi John,There are many reasons to use the Stewart system. But there is one overwhelming factor for me. Ask yourself: Realistically, how many times during the whole process will you stop and have to clean up/out your spray gun or brushes/containers skin etc. with nasty solvents? If you are using the Stewart system you simply walk over to the utility sink and turn on the unlimited supply of hot water. It seemed like countless times to me. No way I would EVER use Polyfiber again.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: dgaldrich
I put on a 3" tape, and after about a 1/2 hour's drying time was not satisfied with its placement. Wow, VERY difficult to remove. I was afraid I was going to damage the underlying fabric.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
I put on a 3" tape, and after about a 1/2 hour's drying time was not satisfied with its placement. Wow, VERY difficult to remove. I was afraid I was going to damage the underlying fabric.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I'm leaning towards Stewarts (and did use them for repairs) so that I don't haveto buy the super expensive epoxy varnish to seal my woodwork. As a woodworker,I already have tons of perfectly suitable varnish, for anything but underPolyfiber chemicals.And, it's like Dan says, how many times do you start and stop? ANY ounce of epoxyvarnish you mix HAS to be used, or you're throwing it away. So not only expensive(the varnish), but seems not very efficient.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
I'm leaning towards Stewarts (and did use them for repairs) so that I don't haveto buy the super expensive epoxy varnish to seal my woodwork. As a woodworker,I already have tons of perfectly suitable varnish, for anything but underPolyfiber chemicals.And, it's like Dan says, how many times do you start and stop? ANY ounce of epoxyvarnish you mix HAS to be used, or you're throwing it away. So not only expensive(the varnish), but seems not very efficient.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "tools"
Chuck;The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to the nextstep after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the succeeding "layers"(Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help re-soften the Poly-Takso that the cement gets a complete and even bond. Not to say that you shouldn'twork in short sections and adhere the fabric promptly like you said,but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that the next layer will re-wet theadhesive and help it get an even bond if it dried a little too quickly beforeyou got the fabric down, or if it didn't quite smooth out on the area to becemented.Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. Every timeI open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering supplies together,it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I don't inhale that much!)...I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! And at noon, and in the evening,too. It just smells like airplanes and reminds me of building them. Atmy age, any brain cells that I still have left have followed the "survival ofthe fittest" plan, and are well able to hold their own against chemical attack;o) Just kidding; I don't intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Chuck;The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to the nextstep after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the succeeding "layers"(Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help re-soften the Poly-Takso that the cement gets a complete and even bond. Not to say that you shouldn'twork in short sections and adhere the fabric promptly like you said,but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that the next layer will re-wet theadhesive and help it get an even bond if it dried a little too quickly beforeyou got the fabric down, or if it didn't quite smooth out on the area to becemented.Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. Every timeI open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering supplies together,it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I don't inhale that much!)...I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! And at noon, and in the evening,too. It just smells like airplanes and reminds me of building them. Atmy age, any brain cells that I still have left have followed the "survival ofthe fittest" plan, and are well able to hold their own against chemical attack;o) Just kidding; I don't intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Oscar, There IS that, and I agree! LOVE that smell... Not often mentioned, but covering with dope is still an option. Lightweight, comparedto much of this, inexpensive. And smells JUST right!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oscar, There IS that, and I agree! LOVE that smell... Not often mentioned, but covering with dope is still an option. Lightweight, comparedto much of this, inexpensive. And smells JUST right!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oscar, it has been quite a while since I used the Poly- system -- something like 25 years. But I do seem to remember that you had to work a lot faster with the Poly-Tak glue and once you start there's no quitting until the project is finished. I have never used the Stewart System -- yet -- but from looking at the videos it seems so much easier. One mention was that it was not a "proven" system. Well, you don't get an STC unless the Feds are satisfied that the fabric won't come off and down comes a skeleton of an airplane. I might change my mind after using the Stewart System but I don't think so. Incidentally, I used to be pretty good friends with Doug and Rava. My wife and I were on a trip around the country in an RV and we stopped in Doug and Rava's home town in Washington and visited a couple of days. Doug took us up in his PA22/20 that I copied a lot of when I did mine. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Oscar, it has been quite a while since I used the Poly- system -- something like 25 years. But I do seem to remember that you had to work a lot faster with the Poly-Tak glue and once you start there's no quitting until the project is finished. I have never used the Stewart System -- yet -- but from looking at the videos it seems so much easier. One mention was that it was not a "proven" system. Well, you don't get an STC unless the Feds are satisfied that the fabric won't come off and down comes a skeleton of an airplane. I might change my mind after using the Stewart System but I don't think so. Incidentally, I used to be pretty good friends with Doug and Rava. My wife and I were on a trip around the country in an RV and we stopped in Doug and Rava's home town in Washington and visited a couple of days. Doug took us up in his PA22/20 that I copied a lot of when I did mine. Chuck----- Original Message -----