Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:43 am

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
If you're thinking about using a Corvair then you should strongly consider attendinga college.CC26 will be in Mexico, MO 18-20 Sep 13.CC27 will be in Barnwell, SC 8-10 Nov 13.CC28 will be in San Marcos, TX 28 Feb-2 Mar 14.Shelley has made Facebook pages for each event. We're hosting the TX event soCC28's page will be updated frequently. She'll update the other two events asshe gets information. You can also contact Zenith Aircraft for information onCC26 & PF Beck for CC27.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
KevinI also heard there is another onr coming to Oshkosh in October. I am planning on going to that one it it happens.Dick N.----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:06 am

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Looks good Gary. Brodhead '14?Dan HelsperPuryear, TNNon-bona-fide tailwheel-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:36 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I plan on goingbut not in my Piet.Gary BootheNX308MB

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:13 am

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Gary, I'm interested to know why you are abandoning the A-frame tail wheel and going to a "bonafide tailwheel," which I presume would extend beyond the end of the fuselage.I was thinking of doing just the opposite. Last Thursday, I managed to do a groundloop while doing a high speed taxi on a hard surface taxiway. My "bonafide tailwheel," turned out to be a 14 inch lever that broke the tailpost when it went off the taxiway. My first thought was to replace it with an A-frame, then I saw your posting????Other thoughts on my groundloop:1. The rudder is less effective than I would have thought at low speeds.2. A Pietenpol really likes grass.Do you want to sell your A-frame? Larry----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:22 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Larry, I agree with you. I had a "Bonafide" tailwheel on a leaf spring.When I had my forced landing which culminated in a broken axle andgroundloop, the tailwheel acted as a 14" lever and cracked my lower rightlongeron. I went to the A-Frame design after that. I first made it to thePietenpol plans for the tailskid and just added the mount for a tailwheel.I found that the A-Frame with no reinforcing was too flexible and thetailwheel could twist the frame, rather than turn the airplane. I modifiedit by going to thicker walled tubing and adding a cross piece between thetwo arms, and it has been fine for the last 8 years.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:58 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ha! The Quest for the Perfect Tailwheel! You may as well ask what's better?Republican or Democrat? Catholic or Protestant? Cake or pie? It's Bernouli's Principle of Tailwheels: "The number of opinions you getvaries directly with the number of people you talk to." I would let Kevin chime in for himself, but he replaced his A-frame with aspring after about 25 hrs. Looking thru www.Westcoastpiet.com, you will alsosee a wide variation. In my case, part of the problem is how I designed mywhole rudder pedal set up and linkage to the rudder and tailwheel. Movingthe tailwheel back will allow me to connect to the rudder with a rudderhorn, eliminating one problem. My only concern is the added stress to therudder hinges. Obviously, careful thought needs to go into attaching thesprings without adding too much weight.I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune, Larry, and hope the repair goessmoothly. My A-frame is certainly NOT for sale, but, if you send me ashipping address, you find it on your doorstep one day soon!Gary BootheNX308MB

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:29 am

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Good stuff. Will do. This is what home building and experimenting is all about.Scott Sent from my iPhoneOn 2013-07-15, at 12:25 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > Scott; thanks a million! I'll post this reply to the list and not just to youindividually since the same general comment will apply no matter what the technicaltopic: by all means, assemble any information you can get on the LubitzEscort conversion! Write the piece, get photos, do the interview... and sendit along! No matter whether the "special" Piet issue becomes reality or not,this type of story is always of interest, and it sparks creative thinking. Run with it!> > I'm also thinking that Greg Bacon/John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" would be aprime candidate for write-up as well. I don't know of any other turbochargedSubaru Air Campers out there!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 715#404715> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:40:37 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:47 pm

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
ClassifiedHi RickI actually have #3, a Sky Scout in my barn out in the back yard. It was going to get a Harley Davidson engine but that plan isnt working out .So here is the announcement, I am going to build a set of floats at Sun n Fun next year and Dave Aldrich is going to build the same thing. I am going to put the floats on my Sky Scout and on the plane during the winter months I will put skiis on.Thats my story and I;m sticking to it.Dick NClassified ----- Original Message ----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:39 am

Original Posted By: woodflier(at)aol.com

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:30 am

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Hello,I'm trying to decide whether to fly the Chief up from N Central Texas toBrodhead. Anybody else have plans to fly from this area? Thx!JMG________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:02:23 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:02 am

Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Hey,Does anyone have a contact at the Dayton/Wright Patterson Air Force Museum?Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:20 am

Original Posted By: Steve Emo
Kevin is 100% correct. I would just like to encourage ANYONE building a Piet toattend a Corvair College. No matter which engine you are planning on you willlearn a TON about flight engines, meet a lot of nice folks, and perhaps scorea ride in a Piet.I attended #19, #20 and #21 as a builder #24 as a helper and will do so again for#27 in Barnwell. I'm thinking about attending #28 in Texas.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Force Museum

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:18 pm

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) itshould be ready to run. I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forwardto the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problemscontacting William Wynne. I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.In the box was a letter with my contact information. I heard nothing.I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.He accepted my money vial paypal in early May (I thought maybe this was theproblem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head. Today I called again and left anothermessage. I also sent another email. We'll see what happens.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:17 pm

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:29 pm

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Helsper has his Corvair mounted funny in there... one of the heads and valve coveris sticking up out of the top of the cowling, and he has his crankcase breathervents going to some sort of a cooler.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
He thinks outside the box...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:04 pm

Original Posted By: Bill Church
Yea, and the grass isn't alive.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:33 pm

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, early on Iconsidered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look for engines.After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's not theonly reason but I will stop there...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> > John,> > This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's> just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their> time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For> example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair> College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at> http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road> trip to OSH).> > You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts> may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run> your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,> do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get> your parts. Cheers,> > Ryan> > On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:>> >> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014)it should be ready to run. I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forwardto the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problemscontacting William Wynne. I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. forrebuild. In the box was a letter with my contact information. I heard nothing.I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.He accepted my money vial paypal in early May (I thought maybe this wasthe problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still noresponse. >> >> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head. Today I called again and leftanother message. I also sent another email. We'll see what happens.>> >> John>> >> -------->> John Francis>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 794#406794> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:41 pm

Original Posted By: Jack
Hold me back, Ryan!!GarySent from my iPhoneOn Aug 15, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jack wrote:> > No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, early onI considered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look for engines.After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's notthe only reason but I will stop there...> > Sent from my iPad> Jack Textor> > On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> >> >> John,>> >> This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's>> just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their>> time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For>> example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair>> College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at>> http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road>> trip to OSH).>> >> You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts>> may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run>> your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,>> do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get>> your parts. Cheers,>> >> Ryan>> >> On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:>>> >>> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014)it should be ready to run. I've enjoyed every part of building it and lookforward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problemscontacting William Wynne. I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. forrebuild. In the box was a letter with my contact information. I heard nothing.I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.He accepted my money vial paypal in early May (I thought maybe this wasthe problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but stillno response. >>> >>> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head. Today I called again and leftanother message. I also sent another email. We'll see what happens.>>> >>> John>>> >>> -------->>> John Francis>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here:>>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 794#406794> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:31 pm

Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
The loss was all mine, Jack! Next year is looking much better...GarySent from my iPhoneOn Aug 15, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Jack wrote:> > Let it out Gary! Missed you at the Brat Fest this year.> I will behave now...> > Sent from my iPad> Jack Textor> > On Aug 15, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> >> >> Hold me back, Ryan!!>> >> Gary>> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >> On Aug 15, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jack wrote:>> >>> >>> No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, earlyon I considered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look forengines. After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's notthe only reason but I will stop there...>>> >>> Sent from my iPad>>> Jack Textor>>> >>> On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:>>> >>>> >>>> John,>>>> >>>> This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's>>>> just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their>>>> time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For>>>> example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair>>>> College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at>>>> http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road>>>> trip to OSH).>>>> >>>> You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts>>>> may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run>>>> your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,>>>> do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get>>>> your parts. Cheers,>>>> >>>> Ryan>>>> >>>> On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:>>>>> >>>>> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014)it should be ready to run. I've enjoyed every part of building it and lookforward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still haveproblems contacting William Wynne. I sent my distributor to him in early Feb.for rebuild. In the box was a letter with my contact information. I heard nothing.I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.He accepted my money vial paypal in early May (I thought maybe thiswas the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but stillno response. >>>>> >>>>> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head. Today I called again and leftanother message. I also sent another email. We'll see what happens.>>>>> >>>>> John>>>>> >>>>> -------->>>>> John Francis>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 794#406794> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:25 pm

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
William is nothing if not controversial. Despite his idiosyncrasies, this is whatI know:1) When I need a part to get the motor running he's on top of it,2) When I need help diagnosing a problem he's on top of it,3) He's one of the smartest people I've ever met, no exaggeration,4) If you want to discuss basic, practical, no-kidding small airplane design he'sa wealth of knowledge,5) I've been doing aviation and industrial safety professionally since 1989. I'vegot credentials and everything. William has helped me clarify and refinemy philosophy on aviation safety. This despite the fact that I've got a butt-loadmore flight time than he has,6) If you want to really know how your motor works, he'll help you learn,7) I am one of the most active Piet builders/flyers in the community and I am confidentin my choice to rebuild FBG with a Corvair engine.Corvair Colleges are educational and entertaining, even if you don't plan to usea Corvair. They're worth going to just to see what he's going to come up withnext.WW's a heckuvalot better source of information than many of the internet geniusesyou'll find dispensing sage advice. You know who I'm talking about: the guyswho didn't build their airplane and barely fly it but tell you all about howto do both.See you at CC28.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:52 pm

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I didn't build my airplane, I barely fly it, and I tell you about how to do both.

With that out of the way, I'll say a couple of things: (1) my airplanehas a Continental engine on it; (2) I have been working on my Corvair conversionfor 14 years now, and it is still just a short block and two big boxes of preppedparts. Oh, and I still need to take the short block back apart so I canget a nitrided crank into it and prep the cases for a 5th bearing; (3) I considerWilliam to be a close personal friend and one of the best and most down-to-earthengine and aircraft technicians and mechanics I have ever met. He isalso extremely clever and practical, has a great sense of humor, and can talkso long that he should rent himself out as a professional filibuster speakeron Capitol Hill.Sometimes you get things back from William & Grace practically overnight, but othertimes it takes weeks or months. I got an engine mount from him the sameweek I spoke to him on the phone about it, before I sent him a penny in payment,and we are on opposite coasts of the U.S. The one thing William & Grace are*not*, are swindlers, charlatans, or cheats. I will stand behind that statementunconditionally.Off soapbox now; disclaimer: this has been a biased commentary and personal observationand is not intended to create heated discussion.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:50 am

Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Seems like some posts are getting to some people, but not others.I assume that the messages went through to those getting the "real time" emails,but they're missing on the Forum.For example:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=98974There are several responses to messages that don't appear in the thread (yet, themissing messages are quoted in the responses).BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:31 am

Original Posted By: Jack
Thanks Mario!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Aug 16, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Mario Giacummo wrote:> If you have any doubt another "little help" http://bcove.me/axgovbmt> > > > > Mario Giacummo> > > > 2013/8/15 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] >> That is another great way to balance a prop Scott and I've used that method. I made up a gidgee (technical term for prop hub fitting) whereby>> I hung my Corby Starlet prop assembly from a cable and simply drilled a hole and put a bolt, lockwasher, and nut on the spinner back plate at a>> position which brought the cable into the center of my gidgee and balanced the whole deal very nicely. >> >> >> Mike C.>> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:58 am

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedback fromthose of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft.My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most time consumingtask, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively) quicklywhen starting out. Suggestions?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:03 am

Original Posted By: Mario Giacummo
It's Friday...You can't provoke me!GarySent from my iPhoneOn Aug 16, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Jack wrote:> > I think William...> > Sent from my iPad> Jack Textor> > On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" wrote:> >> >> The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened. I just received an email from WW thatmy distributor was being mailed today. Not which one of you is God?>> >> John>> >> -------->> John Francis>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 847#406847> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:09 am

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you startbuilding?Anywhere, even in the kitchen; belive it or not ;o)Mario Giacummo2013/8/16 Toddster > >>> I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February.> I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some> feedback from those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of> their aircraft.>> My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most> time consuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done> (relatively) quickly when starting out.>> Suggestions?>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:13:09 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you startbuilding?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:18 am

Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:20 am

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Start where you like. We built the Fuse first. It gave us someplace to sit (insertairplane noises here) and decide how next to proceed. None of the componentstake up much space when completed. The ribs make for great winter worksince those can be built in the house where is is typically warmer than the garageor basement. What ever you start with have fun. The biggest pointer I cangive you is the do something each and every day no matter how small, soon youwill be flying. Happy building,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:42 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Toddster,You asked the question correctly..."... those of you who have completed orare nearing completion...". I have no idea of your background, but amassuming this is your first hand made A/C...maybe even your first personallyowned A/C. A good habit to start right now is to always filter the adviceyou get. Even from this fine group of builders and flyers, you will getadvice from someone who is eager to tell you how to do something that theyhave never done. When you get to the airport with your brand new Pietenpol,that input will be multiplied ten-fold! Ask questions, but be wary.On this subject, you will get opinions all over the board. There's no rightanswer. I can only say that I started with tail parts, then moved tofuselage, then wings. Next time I might put the wings ahead of fuselage, asthey are easy to store. The tail parts are fun and easy, and you can proudlycarry any one of them into the house, remove your wife's quilt from theliving room wall, and hang something interesting! :-0Have you looked at www.westcoastpiet.com? Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:08 pm

Original Posted By: DandD Boyd
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you startbuilding?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:20 pm

Original Posted By: Rick
Ryan, Oscar, and others have said as much, but I will add my 2 and 1/2 cents, andI will keep it short (Honest, Ryan. I promise. [Wink] )In my limited experience with William he is all that Kevin and others have saidand more. I have learned much from just speaking with him and reading his blog,and not just about Corvairs. Philosophy of building and maintaining, amongother things.But the one thing he is not is a Johnny-on-the-spot communicator for all of thereasons Ryan wrote. If that is what you must have to do business with him thenyou should probably move on. But you will miss out on your aviation educationby doing so.However, if you can be patient and accepting of William's way of doing things,it will be well worth it. And if you need a part ASAP, let him know and he willmake it happenSorry, Ryan. I went longer than I meant to, but it was for a mutual friend.

--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you startbuilding?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:34 pm

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
That's what worked for me. I made up my rib jig and did the ribs and then the tailfeathers.Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPadOn Aug 16, 2013, at 11:18 AM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote:> > Todd:> > I found it inspiring to do the tail feathers first. They are smaller to workwith but are composed of the same elements that you will be dealing with in allthe other parts of the aircraft. Pretty quickly you will have something tohang on the wall and look at proudly while you are working on other things. Second, do your rib jig and start fabricating wing ribs. This is a project thatwill take a long time to complete but you will be able to jig up and glue upa rib in an evening and then be able to work on other things while that ribis curing.> > To each his own but that worked out well for me.> Tom Stinemetze> McPherson, KS.> N328X (maybe 2-years out yet)> >>>> "Toddster" 8/16/2013 10:58 AM >>>> > I am preparing to start building a Pietenpol in February. > I deciding where to start I thought it might be helpful to get some feedbackfrom those of you who have completed or are nearing completion of their aircraft.> > My initial thought was to do the wings since it seems be the single most timeconsuming task, but it might also be nice to get something done (relatively)quickly when starting out. > > Suggestions?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 855#406855 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:51 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Todd,You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter whereyou start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection,then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into abunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think aboutbuilding a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mindin it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn intoa few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were workingon last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brotherwho has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he"took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now itlooks like an enormous project to him.One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the bigcompanies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive,so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and bigsheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shippingcosts. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wingcan be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersomeof the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters,that might be the deciding factor as to where to start.As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consumingtask, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less thanhalf the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point intheir project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens aboutthe point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating andinstalling all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical systemif so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as doescovering and painting.Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying -there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have,that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after yourPietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (RampVermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than buildingfrom scratch.Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first twoof the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder andSportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of yourquestions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual PietenpolFly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple ofdozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:38 pm

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