Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
The idea of building a simple fuselage mockup is excellent. If you don't plan to start your actual build for several months and you have some basic tools=2C just go down and buy some inexpensive pine planks and plywood=2C plus some wood glue=2C and spend a couple of weekends building a fuselage mockup. It only needs to be from firewall to pilot's seat back and only needs to include enough of the framing to give you a sturdy mockup that you can sit in and get an idea of the fit. You could get fancier and assemble a simple rudder bar and walking beam with control sticks out of broomsticks or scrap tubing so you can feel the control geometry as well=2C but that's extra work.No need for precision=2C no need to take care with glue drips=2C and you could get it into shape pretty quickly if you have a staple gun. If you have a shop with a scrap bin=2C you could probably build it out of things that you already have in your scrap bin and lumber cutoff pile.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:42:27 -0400
Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By: John Kuhfahl
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
All this talk about building fake fuselages. My building time was so precious I couldn't stand the thought of spending time making something fake and unairworthy. Its not that complicated. Just look at the plans and start cutting the real stuff. That's why I say make the ribs first. That is where the learning curve is achieved. Sorry guys.(Designated Curmudgeon while Larry is gone)Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
All this talk about building fake fuselages. My building time was so precious I couldn't stand the thought of spending time making something fake and unairworthy. Its not that complicated. Just look at the plans and start cutting the real stuff. That's why I say make the ribs first. That is where the learning curve is achieved. Sorry guys.(Designated Curmudgeon while Larry is gone)Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By:> Rick Holland
I agree Dan. Also if you make the fuse wider like I did at 26 inches you won,t have to worry about getting in. Cheers, gardinerSent from my iPadOn Aug 18, 2013, at 7:44 AM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:> All this talk about building fake fuselages. My building time was so precious I couldn't stand the thought of spending time making something fake and unairworthy. Its not that complicated. Just look at the plans and start cutting the real stuff. That's why I say make the ribs first. That is where the learning curve is achieved. Sorry guys.> > (Designated Curmudgeon while Larry is gone)> > Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN> -----Original Message-----
I agree Dan. Also if you make the fuse wider like I did at 26 inches you won,t have to worry about getting in. Cheers, gardinerSent from my iPadOn Aug 18, 2013, at 7:44 AM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:> All this talk about building fake fuselages. My building time was so precious I couldn't stand the thought of spending time making something fake and unairworthy. Its not that complicated. Just look at the plans and start cutting the real stuff. That's why I say make the ribs first. That is where the learning curve is achieved. Sorry guys.> > (Designated Curmudgeon while Larry is gone)> > Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN> -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Great post Dan, I;m with you.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Great post Dan, I;m with you.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Pietenpol-List: Re: fuselage mockup
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I am getting ready to start making metal fittings. I have a question specificallyabout the fittings that connect the top of the lift strut to the spar.I have seen or read other people's discussions about these lift strut fittings,where people said the original design left little working room when trying towork at that fitting once the wing is covered. So my question is this- did youbuild your fittings to plans, and if not, how far do you recommend the fittingshould stick out below the lower capstrip of the ribs?Thanks!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuselage mockup
I am getting ready to start making metal fittings. I have a question specificallyabout the fittings that connect the top of the lift strut to the spar.I have seen or read other people's discussions about these lift strut fittings,where people said the original design left little working room when trying towork at that fitting once the wing is covered. So my question is this- did youbuild your fittings to plans, and if not, how far do you recommend the fittingshould stick out below the lower capstrip of the ribs?Thanks!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuselage mockup
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Question About Lift Strut Fittings
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Now, now... everyone play nice ;o) Not everyone gets to work in the shop frequently,and not everyone has ever built something like an airplane. My suggestionwas to a particular individual who stated that they won't be starting theconstruction of their actual Air Camper until next year (for whatever their reasons),so I suggested that in the meantime it might be a fun and low-stress projectof a weekend or two to put together a very simple and low-cost mockup.This would serve two purposes: (1) at a very minimal outlay of time and money,it would allow the prospective builder to get a feel for how the airplane isconstructed and how it fits, and (2) if it fires some enthusiasm based on howsimple and straightforward it is, it may advance their program to just get startednow rather than waiting until February. If this builder is like me, heis very unsure of his building skills and very concerned about doing somethinginaccurately or "wrong", so just playing with some Doug fir or pine studs andsome cheap plywood means that nothing happens if the fake longeron has some wowiesor blade burns in it when it gets ripped, and nothing happens if a crosscutgoes too far. It all goes together with Elmer's glue and staples (or evendrywall screws), and nobody is going to inspect it. If it doesn't work out,you spray paint it with camouflage paint for the kids, or you smash it into kindlingand enjoy the fire one evening.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Question About Lift Strut Fittings
Now, now... everyone play nice ;o) Not everyone gets to work in the shop frequently,and not everyone has ever built something like an airplane. My suggestionwas to a particular individual who stated that they won't be starting theconstruction of their actual Air Camper until next year (for whatever their reasons),so I suggested that in the meantime it might be a fun and low-stress projectof a weekend or two to put together a very simple and low-cost mockup.This would serve two purposes: (1) at a very minimal outlay of time and money,it would allow the prospective builder to get a feel for how the airplane isconstructed and how it fits, and (2) if it fires some enthusiasm based on howsimple and straightforward it is, it may advance their program to just get startednow rather than waiting until February. If this builder is like me, heis very unsure of his building skills and very concerned about doing somethinginaccurately or "wrong", so just playing with some Doug fir or pine studs andsome cheap plywood means that nothing happens if the fake longeron has some wowiesor blade burns in it when it gets ripped, and nothing happens if a crosscutgoes too far. It all goes together with Elmer's glue and staples (or evendrywall screws), and nobody is going to inspect it. If it doesn't work out,you spray paint it with camouflage paint for the kids, or you smash it into kindlingand enjoy the fire one evening.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Question About Lift Strut Fittings