Original Posted By: Michael Perez
But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder authoritysometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty, gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the Pietenpolto be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is thateven when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a stronggust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grassagain sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary. Mike C.(I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airlinepilots) ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:54:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
The guy....along with his lovely wife Dee, who produce our BPAN newsletter. 88 years old and going strong.Thank you Doc.Mike C.https://www.facebook.com/WisAviationHal ... ion=stream[cid:image001.png(at)01CEA3E8.10EC12D0]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: excuse the intrusion...
The guy....along with his lovely wife Dee, who produce our BPAN newsletter. 88 years old and going strong.Thank you Doc.Mike C.https://www.facebook.com/WisAviationHal ... ion=stream[cid:image001.png(at)01CEA3E8.10EC12D0]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: excuse the intrusion...
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Mikee: I resemble that remark, and I'm the one who said that I have run out ofrudder before. In light of your "intrusion" (and my second thoughts on the remarkthat I made), I will rephrase my statement as follows: "less-experiencedPiet pilots may run out of rudder if they don't properly anticipate the correctionthat will be needed".It is obvious that better and more experienced pilots like yourself "just dealwith it" and are never caught yelling "Yikes!!" when the airplane starts to driftdespite putting all of your foot into it when you're somewhere between stillflying, touching down, and the deep blue sea ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mikee: I resemble that remark, and I'm the one who said that I have run out ofrudder before. In light of your "intrusion" (and my second thoughts on the remarkthat I made), I will rephrase my statement as follows: "less-experiencedPiet pilots may run out of rudder if they don't properly anticipate the correctionthat will be needed".It is obvious that better and more experienced pilots like yourself "just dealwith it" and are never caught yelling "Yikes!!" when the airplane starts to driftdespite putting all of your foot into it when you're somewhere between stillflying, touching down, and the deep blue sea ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually landingdiagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take outthe crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikesa few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually landingdiagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take outthe crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikesa few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.8:00PM and still 32deg C out.Gotta love it!!!--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: excuse the intrusion...
Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.8:00PM and still 32deg C out.Gotta love it!!!--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: excuse the intrusion...
Original Posted By: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
That crosswind was fairly nasty this year at Brodhead. I didn't (and have never experienced) running out of rudder authority. After a few flights that day, I elected to call it quits because of over-all conditions, but not specifically because of that (rudder) factor.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
That crosswind was fairly nasty this year at Brodhead. I didn't (and have never experienced) running out of rudder authority. After a few flights that day, I elected to call it quits because of over-all conditions, but not specifically because of that (rudder) factor.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
I'm a big fan of just turning the runway into the wind... just sayin...Insofar as the Piet, most of the fields I fly out of down in GA are essentiallysurrounded by TALL trees on all four sides. On windy days, the transition downinto them at about tree top level gets AWFUL sporty. I've been stop to stopon the ailerons quite a bit (with piano hinges making them responsive in thePiet world). Once you're down past that it generally calms down quite a bitand I've never seen a steady crosswind in the flare and touchdown phase.It'll also toss you quite a bit in the yaw axis and I've never felt I didn't haveenough rudder there. Like Mike, after few windy days like that, I just quit flying when it's that bad.I have found if the wind picks up a wing, you don't have enough rudder tofix it without getting the wing back down. Which is what you should be doinganyway, so I don't consider it a limiting thing. On the plus side, the tail draggerconfigured Glastar I fly has a HUGE vert stab. Big enough allow the thingto wind vane while taxiing that can't be fixed with the rudder alone, youhave to get into the brakes just a little. The Piet's vert stab seems to be proportionateto the rudder and doesn't have that problem.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I'm a big fan of just turning the runway into the wind... just sayin...Insofar as the Piet, most of the fields I fly out of down in GA are essentiallysurrounded by TALL trees on all four sides. On windy days, the transition downinto them at about tree top level gets AWFUL sporty. I've been stop to stopon the ailerons quite a bit (with piano hinges making them responsive in thePiet world). Once you're down past that it generally calms down quite a bitand I've never seen a steady crosswind in the flare and touchdown phase.It'll also toss you quite a bit in the yaw axis and I've never felt I didn't haveenough rudder there. Like Mike, after few windy days like that, I just quit flying when it's that bad.I have found if the wind picks up a wing, you don't have enough rudder tofix it without getting the wing back down. Which is what you should be doinganyway, so I don't consider it a limiting thing. On the plus side, the tail draggerconfigured Glastar I fly has a HUGE vert stab. Big enough allow the thingto wind vane while taxiing that can't be fixed with the rudder alone, youhave to get into the brakes just a little. The Piet's vert stab seems to be proportionateto the rudder and doesn't have that problem.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away forthree days? :-)Clif> Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.> 8:00PM and still 32deg C out.> > Gotta love it!!!> > --------> Adrian M> Winnipeg, MB> Canada________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: excuse the intrusion...
Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away forthree days? :-)Clif> Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.> 8:00PM and still 32deg C out.> > Gotta love it!!!> > --------> Adrian M> Winnipeg, MB> Canada________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: excuse the intrusion...
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Awesome Rick! I'm so happy for you after these years of toiling and building that you're getting THIS close toflying!What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good approaches? That Corvair should get youout of just about anywhere.Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to hearing updates and how you like flying her.She'll be a fun, fun airplane!
Awesome Rick! I'm so happy for you after these years of toiling and building that you're getting THIS close toflying!What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good approaches? That Corvair should get youout of just about anywhere.Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to hearing updates and how you like flying her.She'll be a fun, fun airplane!
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Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Great pictures, Mikee. There is an optical illusion in one of them (the 2nd one),where it appears that your rudder horn is canted. There is a later picturethat shows the real geometry (perfectly square). I also note from one of yourpictures that you have grommets in the top cowling where the aileron controlcables and X-braces go through it. I guess I'll have to get some grommets formy airplane. Dang "Lindy" trophy winners... always making the rest of us looklike chopped liver.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Great pictures, Mikee. There is an optical illusion in one of them (the 2nd one),where it appears that your rudder horn is canted. There is a later picturethat shows the real geometry (perfectly square). I also note from one of yourpictures that you have grommets in the top cowling where the aileron controlcables and X-braces go through it. I guess I'll have to get some grommets formy airplane. Dang "Lindy" trophy winners... always making the rest of us looklike chopped liver.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Ahaha.....Thanks Oscar. I overheard one of the judges saying "....those grommets sold me...."
I think that distortion was probably from the el-cheapo camera lens I have on my cellphone. The other photos were taken with a decent camera.As I looked thru a few of my other photos I was reminded of how beautiful the Lake Erie shoreline and islands can be.Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image002.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image003.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image004.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image005.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image006.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image007.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400]________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:44:39 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running
Ahaha.....Thanks Oscar. I overheard one of the judges saying "....those grommets sold me...."
I think that distortion was probably from the el-cheapo camera lens I have on my cellphone. The other photos were taken with a decent camera.As I looked thru a few of my other photos I was reminded of how beautiful the Lake Erie shoreline and islands can be.Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image002.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image003.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image004.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image005.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image006.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400][cid:image007.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400]________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:44:39 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years runningRe: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running
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Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
With a few hours flying Pietenpols there comes a time in my life that the stickand rudders was not responsive regardless where you put them to the max, 30 feetforward and 100 feet sliding to the starboard while at taxi speed, is veryexciting, on hard surface. That is cross-wind.!Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: excuse the intrusion...
With a few hours flying Pietenpols there comes a time in my life that the stickand rudders was not responsive regardless where you put them to the max, 30 feetforward and 100 feet sliding to the starboard while at taxi speed, is veryexciting, on hard surface. That is cross-wind.!Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: excuse the intrusion...
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Original Posted By: airlion2(at)gmail.com
With a few hours flying Pietenpols there comes a time in my life that the stickand rudders was not responsive regardless where you put them to the max, 30 feetforward and 100 feet sliding to the starboard while at taxi speed, is veryexciting, on hard surface. That is cross-wind.!Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just right--- 85 years running
With a few hours flying Pietenpols there comes a time in my life that the stickand rudders was not responsive regardless where you put them to the max, 30 feetforward and 100 feet sliding to the starboard while at taxi speed, is veryexciting, on hard surface. That is cross-wind.!Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just right--- 85 years running
Original Posted By: Mario Giacummo
Sent from my iPadOn Aug 29, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > Great pictures, Mikee. There is an optical illusion in one of them (the 2ndone), where it appears that your rudder horn is canted. There is a later picturethat shows the real geometry (perfectly square). I also note from one ofyour pictures that you have grommets in the top cowling where the aileron controlcables and X-braces go through it. I guess I'll have to get some grommetsfor my airplane. Dang "Lindy" trophy winners... always making the rest of uslook like chopped liver.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 728#407728> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Sent from my iPadOn Aug 29, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > Great pictures, Mikee. There is an optical illusion in one of them (the 2ndone), where it appears that your rudder horn is canted. There is a later picturethat shows the real geometry (perfectly square). I also note from one ofyour pictures that you have grommets in the top cowling where the aileron controlcables and X-braces go through it. I guess I'll have to get some grommetsfor my airplane. Dang "Lindy" trophy winners... always making the rest of uslook like chopped liver.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 728#407728> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________