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Original Posted By: "regreen1954"
Cliff,Nice information. Seems as though someone with the lathe and mill could have a business!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Dec 6, 2013, at 11:28 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:> > Solid wire ferrules. Notice that they are> squished oval.> > > http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/repli ... ts-10.html> > Clif> Old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm> every time.> Someone> > I don't remember the gauge of the wire I would have to look through my old notes to find out or mic one. I made a Jig per Gary Price's article in a way back issue of the BPA newsletter. it was fun to construct and had that old time look. No solder. They turned out great. > > Craig> > > Beautiful! What was the hard wire? What thickness, piano? Ferrules swigged, wrapped, soldered?> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder and Elevator Hinges
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Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months

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Original Posted By: "John Francis"
I talked to Vi as well and he no longer makes the cast aluminum hinges for therudder and elevator. Would anyone have spare set? If not is there another sourceor better alternative. Best regards, Rich--------Rich Green, CFIRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Thought I would tag on to Bobs post with my completed wing. This one is readyto go on the wall until next Spring when I will varnish it. Sure am looking forwardto starting on the fuselage.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
Solid sitka spruce and a/c plywood.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Original Posted By: "John Francis"
THANKS... HOW DID YOU FORM IT AND HOW THICK IS THE FLAT SIDE?? MY WINGS ARE MADEAND I WANTED TO USE A SPLIT CLOSET ROD BT ALL I CAN FIND IS RODS 1 3/8 DIAMETERTHANKS FOR THE INFORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
Just a stock piece of spruce from A/C Spruce and the plywood is bent into a groovecut in the leading edge.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Helmets

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Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
The shame of it all. I guess I should cancel my order for the glass panel ;0) Ihear what your saying. Too much Mooney time.JackOn Dec 7, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote:> > Headsets! Com'on Jack! It's a Pietenpol with a Model A not a Mooney... See andavoid...maps, no gps either.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 049#415049> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges

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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I have one of the last sets of hinges that Vi made!!They are all yours for $4500.00 and they come with a mostly complete PietenpolSky Scout project that includes a converted model "A" and a Forrest Lovely brassradiator.--------L.V.WilliamsXCG, XCMR,EPPUSHPA, EAA, AMARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Pietenpol-List: Re: John's wing

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Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Nice wing John! Another few seasons and you'll be flying!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: John's wing
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Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months

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Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Thanks Douwe. I just completed my flight training with Emerson Stewart in Waynesville.I know that is where you kept your Piet for a while. They had one oftheir Cubs damaged in a wind storm this year and only had one available fortraining. We even took the Champ up one time. That really slowed me down andI found myself flying only twice a month. Now I am talking with Martha Lunkentrying to schedule the check flight around all this snow and crappy weather.I hope we get it in before the month is out.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Original Posted By: "regreen1954"
The size really depends on the ribs you built. Here is a better shot of what Idid. Just measure what you need and buy the board. I rough shaped it on a tablesaw and then used a hand plane to round it.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/geta ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges
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Larry,The price is a little steeper that I thought! :) If I was building a Scout I wouldjump at the chance. Thanks for responding.--------Rich Green, CFIRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges
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Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great deal oftime going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to make and sellhinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he still made them buthe said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one could make. I haveincluded a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughing at my artwork,Douwe.Your thoughts?--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... __________
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Original Posted By:> jarheadpilot82
I have a set of hinges similar to Don's alternative design. Mine are .0634130 and 1/2", otherwise the same, made by my friend Gary Barger. I thinkwe got the plan from a guru at Brodhead years ago. I got a set of Don'saluminum hinges so I don't need these. They are already in primer.$25. post paid to cont US. Write me off list.Skip> [Original Message]
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They are sold.Skip> [Original Message]
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces

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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
I might be able to check the archives if I knew the proper name for these longitudinalrib supports. Some have them and some dont. I dont see them in the plansand was wondering if they are necessary?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
John,I think they are typically referred to as, simply, verticals.But I did not check the archives either. [Wink]--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Stringers, I bellieve is the correct term, although, someone please chime in ifI am incorrect.The attached screenshot is from page 1-13 of the Handbook linked below-http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies ... ----Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scre ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshield thickness
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I've been working on various squawks and "upgrades" (?) to my airplane. One thingthat was bugging me was a slight fuel leak at one of the fittings on the tank,which is inside the front cockpit, and it is a royal pain to work down underthere by climbing into the cockpit inverted and in the shape of a pretzel.So, I bit the bullet and pulled off the top cowling so I could pull the fueltank to rework the shutoff valve and tank fittings.While I had the top cowling off, I figured I might as well make a new front windscreensince it's got a bit of crazing and scratches that make it nearly impossibleto see through when flying into the sun. And flying into the sun is whereI'm most vulnerable to the raking fire from the Hun's machine guns ;o) Thereare also some cracks starting to spread out from the holes where the mountingbolts (AN3) are, along the base. The windscreens on my airplane are .125"Plexiglas and are quite stiff.Based on the discussion here on the list last month, I decided to try .080" thickplexi this time, since the 1/8" stuff is very hard to bend into the requiredarc, and it seems like the forced bend has contributed to the cracks at themounting holes. I bought a 2'x2' piece of .080" plexi from Aircraft Spruce for$11.85 and laid out the old windscreen on it as a template. Turns out I canget two windscreens out of this piece of plexi, so I think I'm going to justgo ahead and replace both front and back and get it over with. Today I cut outthe first one with my Dremel, using the small abrasive cutoff wheels that youcan get for them. Piece of cake. Once I get them installed and flying, I'llreport back on any differences in stiffness or deflection in flight, but I don'tthink there will be any. Not bad... 6 bucks apiece for new windscreens.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges
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Does anyone have a photo of the hinges that Vi used to sell? Just the hinges,not installed in place yet?Thanks.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
The slick way seems to be to use stair handrail stock for the leading edge. Ibelieve this is what Mike Cuy and others have done. The majority of the shapingis already done, and besides some minor smoothing, it only requires one angledcut through the table saw to get it ready to attach to the rib noses. Now,I have no idea if handrail material weighs more than just spruce stock (probably),but the effort to shape it is reduced.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces
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Original Posted By: "Jack"
Here's a photo from West Coast Piet.--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
John beautiful work on the wings! Also like the design on the benches. Is that1" material that faces the front? Would you have a sketch?Take Care,JackJack TextorWest Des Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
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I agree, Dan. I had the same experience, walking down the leading edge ofmy wing with a block plane, shaving off spruce. The whole process tookmaybe 15 minutes, and spruce is MUCH lighter than a pine stair handrail.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
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Original Posted By: "John Francis"
The "U-channel" hinges mentioned by Terry and Skip are much easier to fabricatethan the plans version. There's no welding required, and they're easier to install,since they're not so tiny and fiddly (that's a technical term). WhenI made mine, I had borrowed the idea from Jim Markle, who had borrowed it fromthe Fly Baby design. The original Fly Baby design is quite a bit larger, andresults in a noticeable gap. I made mine smaller, and tried to minimize thegap. Mine are 1/2" wide, and a little under 2" long (1 15/16" to be precise)-designed to utilize a MS20392-2C-65 clevis pin (3/16" diameter, 2 1/32" effectivelength). I fabricated mine from 16ga (.06") stainless steel, which I hadon hand, but 4130 would work just as well. They could even be made from thinnermaterial (18ga). Attached are a few images.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_h ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beauty shot at 25 months
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jack(at)textors.com wrote:> John beautiful work on the wings! Also like the design on the benches. Is that1" material that faces the front? Would you have a sketch?> Take Care,> Jack> > Jack Textor> West Des Moines, IA> > > --Jack, These are the EAA standardized work benches. Here is a link to the plans and a sketch.http://www.eaa.org/chapters/resources/a ... ------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:43:16 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Support Pieces
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Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges>>> When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a greatdeal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used tomake and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if he stillmade them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. >> He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one couldmake. I have included a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughingat my artwork, Douwe.>> Your thoughts?>> --------> Semper Fi,>> Terry Hand> Athens, GA>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 131#415131>>> Attachments: >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... __________
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Original Posted By:> > jarheadpilot82
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges>>> I have a set of hinges similar to Don's alternative design. Mine are .063> 4130 and 1/2", otherwise the same, made by my friend Gary Barger. I think> we got the plan from a guru at Brodhead years ago. I got a set of Don's> aluminum hinges so I don't need these. They are already in primer.> $25. post paid to cont US. Write me off list.> Skip>>> > [Original Message]
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> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder and Elevator Hinges> >> > >> > When I was at Corvair College in Barnwell SC last month I spent a great> deal of time going over P.F. Beck and Don Harper's Pietenpols. Don used to> make and sell hinges similar to Vi Kapler's design. I asked him if hestill> made them but he said no as he no longer had access to a machine shop. > >> > He did, however, suggest an alternative that just about any one could> make. I have included a very rough drawing I made of his idea. No laughing> at my artwork, Douwe.> >> > Your thoughts?> >> > --------> > Semper Fi,> >> > Terry Hand> > Athens, GA> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 131#415131> >> >> >> >> > Attachments: > >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_798.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Support Pieces
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