Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Hello=2C low 'n' slow fliers-I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I have a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 down from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stockton and Tracy=2C I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I should cut over at Los Banos=2C roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reservoir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there=2C so I thought I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Frazier Lake when coming south?It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar,You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West,turn South and hug the east hills of San Jose.but I chose to go South to LosBanos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152. If youcan make the summit at Weed, it'll all be downhill.Los Banos is a good fuel stop for me.maybe we could meet there?Gary BootheNX308MB
Oscar,You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West,turn South and hug the east hills of San Jose.but I chose to go South to LosBanos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152. If youcan make the summit at Weed, it'll all be downhill.Los Banos is a good fuel stop for me.maybe we could meet there?Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
John;I think it's impossible to make a blanket statement about substituting 3/32" plyfor 1/8" since there are so many different places where it might be used onthe airplane. Obviously, where it's used for its thickness, you couldn't substituteor you'd end up with a gap. In other locations, you'll just have to judgethe suitability yourself. Most builders tend to go just a bit heavier ratherthan lighter, but there are places on the Air Camper that are plenty stoutand could stand some minor downsizing. I don't think you'll hear anybody advisingyou to go ahead and change all 1/8" plywood to 3/32"... it's just too broada statement.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
John;I think it's impossible to make a blanket statement about substituting 3/32" plyfor 1/8" since there are so many different places where it might be used onthe airplane. Obviously, where it's used for its thickness, you couldn't substituteor you'd end up with a gap. In other locations, you'll just have to judgethe suitability yourself. Most builders tend to go just a bit heavier ratherthan lighter, but there are places on the Air Camper that are plenty stoutand could stand some minor downsizing. I don't think you'll hear anybody advisingyou to go ahead and change all 1/8" plywood to 3/32"... it's just too broada statement.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Gary;I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stops mightbe. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch my breathand look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but afterthat it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tellme that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my home field.However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translates toat least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick up toobadly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all theway to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. Theinteresting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hours ofdaylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirely possiblefor me to make it all in one day.So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect.Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after havingbeen soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutelyno hope of keeping up with you.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Gary;I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stops mightbe. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch my breathand look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but afterthat it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tellme that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my home field.However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translates toat least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick up toobadly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all theway to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. Theinteresting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hours ofdaylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirely possiblefor me to make it all in one day.So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect.Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after havingbeen soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutelyno hope of keeping up with you.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Oscar,I come up from the south (I live near Pat Panzera) and as Gary said I chose to cross as you described. It seems like the shortest and most safe way across for me. Scott Liefeld and I also came across there on our way back last year. It doesn't take too long to get across but I do feel some relief once I'm past the hills and into the valley on the other side. I'm looking forward to meeting you. Mike Groah414MVTulare CA> On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Oscar,> > You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West, turn South and hug the east hills of San Josebut I chose to go South to Los Banos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152. If you can make the summit at Weed, it=99ll all be downhill> > Los Banos is a good fuel stop for memaybe we could meet there?> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
Oscar,I come up from the south (I live near Pat Panzera) and as Gary said I chose to cross as you described. It seems like the shortest and most safe way across for me. Scott Liefeld and I also came across there on our way back last year. It doesn't take too long to get across but I do feel some relief once I'm past the hills and into the valley on the other side. I'm looking forward to meeting you. Mike Groah414MVTulare CA> On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Oscar,> > You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West, turn South and hug the east hills of San Josebut I chose to go South to Los Banos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152. If you can make the summit at Weed, it=99ll all be downhill> > Los Banos is a good fuel stop for memaybe we could meet there?> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Steve-I hinged my aluminum belly access panel but like Jack said, no need to. I reinforced thatarea around the opening that I framed in with strips of spruce (advice for new builders) so that itgave a place for the belly fabric to wrap around and be glued and 2) so that when I heat taughtenedthe fabric it didn't pull the opening out of a rectangular shape. Fabric so SO strong when you get tothe final taughtening temperature. Not uncommon to hear the wood structure creak and groanlike most of us do when we get out of be in the mornings:)Mike C.[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CF11D2.7CD5E270]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Steve-I hinged my aluminum belly access panel but like Jack said, no need to. I reinforced thatarea around the opening that I framed in with strips of spruce (advice for new builders) so that itgave a place for the belly fabric to wrap around and be glued and 2) so that when I heat taughtenedthe fabric it didn't pull the opening out of a rectangular shape. Fabric so SO strong when you get tothe final taughtening temperature. Not uncommon to hear the wood structure creak and groanlike most of us do when we get out of be in the mornings:)Mike C.[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CF11D2.7CD5E270]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Oscar, happy you got my mailing all in one piece.You may put o08 in your flight plan, it is certainly on the way. If you need aplace to over night, we have plenty of room at our home. It might be a long hopefrom Montague to Colusa for your Piet. Maybe Montague, Red Bluff then Colusa?Let me know when you decide.Thanks again,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:39 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Gary;> > I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stopsmight be. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch mybreath and look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but afterthat it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tellme that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my homefield. However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translatesto at least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick uptoo badly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all theway to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. The interesting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hoursof daylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirelypossible for me to make it all in one day.> > So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect.Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after havingbeen soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutelyno hope of keeping up with you.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 922#416922> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:57:02 -0800 (PST)
Oscar, happy you got my mailing all in one piece.You may put o08 in your flight plan, it is certainly on the way. If you need aplace to over night, we have plenty of room at our home. It might be a long hopefrom Montague to Colusa for your Piet. Maybe Montague, Red Bluff then Colusa?Let me know when you decide.Thanks again,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:39 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Gary;> > I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stopsmight be. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch mybreath and look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but afterthat it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tellme that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my homefield. However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translatesto at least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick uptoo badly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all theway to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. The interesting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hoursof daylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirelypossible for me to make it all in one day.> > So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect.Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after havingbeen soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutelyno hope of keeping up with you.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 922#416922> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:57:02 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Ray: I was using the AOPA online flight planner to do a what-if, and Colusa cameup directly along my route of flight. It must be a sign ;o) As I get my plansfirmed up, I'll check with a few folks along the way to see about possibleovernight stops. I will have a handheld so I can get into a few towered fieldsalong the way (and get out of my own home field, which has a tower)- and Imay break down and fly my Garmin GPSMap 196 as well as bring along the flappingfolded sectionals with yellow highlighter and pencil notes on them. I'm notsmart enough to put them on a roll of toilet paper like Mike Cuy does, and advancethe roll as the flight progresses. Once he arrives at the destination hegets to toss the roll out the cockpit and try to slice the paper with a wingbefore the roll hits the ground. Wish I were a stunt pilot like Mikee ;o)Jorge: nos veremos con el favor de Dios. A ver si no tienes miedo de subirte ami Pietenpol y te doy la vuelta.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ray: I was using the AOPA online flight planner to do a what-if, and Colusa cameup directly along my route of flight. It must be a sign ;o) As I get my plansfirmed up, I'll check with a few folks along the way to see about possibleovernight stops. I will have a handheld so I can get into a few towered fieldsalong the way (and get out of my own home field, which has a tower)- and Imay break down and fly my Garmin GPSMap 196 as well as bring along the flappingfolded sectionals with yellow highlighter and pencil notes on them. I'm notsmart enough to put them on a roll of toilet paper like Mike Cuy does, and advancethe roll as the flight progresses. Once he arrives at the destination hegets to toss the roll out the cockpit and try to slice the paper with a wingbefore the roll hits the ground. Wish I were a stunt pilot like Mikee ;o)Jorge: nos veremos con el favor de Dios. A ver si no tienes miedo de subirte ami Pietenpol y te doy la vuelta.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Like others, I just screwed my aluminum belly access panel on. Per somesuggestions from this group, wherever I screwed sheet metal into thestructure, I impregnated the screw holes with crazy glue.One probably only removes the belly panel once a year? So that's onlytwenty times over twenty years. It's behind the CG, so whatever you do,keep it light and don't make it fancier or more complex than it really needsto be.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Like others, I just screwed my aluminum belly access panel on. Per somesuggestions from this group, wherever I screwed sheet metal into thestructure, I impregnated the screw holes with crazy glue.One probably only removes the belly panel once a year? So that's onlytwenty times over twenty years. It's behind the CG, so whatever you do,keep it light and don't make it fancier or more complex than it really needsto be.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "Pilot78"
Oscar,I am looking forward to meeting you. I have flown the route you have been askingabout in my Piet. The mountains you cross between your place and Redding CAare the big ones. The ones around the Frazeur Lake area are just hills in comparison.Not a big deal especially with a Cont bolted to the front of your plane.Just sit back and enjoy the ride,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Oscar,I am looking forward to meeting you. I have flown the route you have been askingabout in my Piet. The mountains you cross between your place and Redding CAare the big ones. The ones around the Frazeur Lake area are just hills in comparison.Not a big deal especially with a Cont bolted to the front of your plane.Just sit back and enjoy the ride,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
What are the dates this year for the West Cost Piet fly-in?BrianSLC-UTRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
What are the dates this year for the West Cost Piet fly-in?BrianSLC-UTRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "curtdm(at)gmail.com"
Saturday June 7th 2014 Frazier Lake 1C9 (I'll get this year's info sheet togetherand posted soon). Last year I believe a couple people come in on Friday afternoon/evening and quitea few of us camped out Saturday night and left Sunday morning. Mike Groah> On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:27 AM, "Pilot78" wrote:> > > What are the dates this year for the West Cost Piet fly-in?> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 009#417009> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Saturday June 7th 2014 Frazier Lake 1C9 (I'll get this year's info sheet togetherand posted soon). Last year I believe a couple people come in on Friday afternoon/evening and quitea few of us camped out Saturday night and left Sunday morning. Mike Groah> On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:27 AM, "Pilot78" wrote:> > > What are the dates this year for the West Cost Piet fly-in?> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 009#417009> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet.I love it!--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet.I love it!--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Mike,Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on the wayup.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Mike,Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on the wayup.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
This is a 3/8 inch copper pipe, 1/8 inch cable, and a penny. Quick copy of thebalancer as describe in Contact Magazine. It is very accurate and also demonstratesthe lateral balance of the prop. It will allow you to determine the exactlocation and amount of weight necessary to balance the prop. This one needs55 grams.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
This is a 3/8 inch copper pipe, 1/8 inch cable, and a penny. Quick copy of thebalancer as describe in Contact Magazine. It is very accurate and also demonstratesthe lateral balance of the prop. It will allow you to determine the exactlocation and amount of weight necessary to balance the prop. This one needs55 grams.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
I have to work that day (it's the last day of our school year but at least I won'thave to rush back on Sunday for work Monday morning like I usually have too).I think I'll just fly up Saturday morning. Thank you though!Sent from my iPad> On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Mike,> > Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on theway up.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 022#417022> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
I have to work that day (it's the last day of our school year but at least I won'thave to rush back on Sunday for work Monday morning like I usually have too).I think I'll just fly up Saturday morning. Thank you though!Sent from my iPad> On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Mike,> > Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on theway up.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 022#417022> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
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Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Curt wrote->Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feetYou laugh! The Siskiyou Summit (highest point on Interstate 5) is 4,310 ft. andif I slide through the pass with maybe 500 ft. of clearance, I'm almost at 5,000MSL. Never been that high in Scout! I start to get worried that I mightescape the gravitational pull of Earth and slingshot out where I could get intoClass Alpha airspace. And Scout being 'negative xpdr'...!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Curt wrote->Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feetYou laugh! The Siskiyou Summit (highest point on Interstate 5) is 4,310 ft. andif I slide through the pass with maybe 500 ft. of clearance, I'm almost at 5,000MSL. Never been that high in Scout! I start to get worried that I mightescape the gravitational pull of Earth and slingshot out where I could get intoClass Alpha airspace. And Scout being 'negative xpdr'...!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Oscar, Don't forget to take oxygen with you and tissue to shove in your nose for the bleeding.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oscar, Don't forget to take oxygen with you and tissue to shove in your nose for the bleeding.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Oscar,Better give thyself more than 500'! It's bumpy up thar!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:00 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Curt wrote-> >> Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet> > You laugh! The Siskiyou Summit (highest point on Interstate 5) is 4,310 ft.and if I slide through the pass with maybe 500 ft. of clearance, I'm almost at5,000 MSL. Never been that high in Scout! I start to get worried that I mightescape the gravitational pull of Earth and slingshot out where I could getinto Class Alpha airspace. And Scout being 'negative xpdr'...!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 157#417157> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Oscar,Better give thyself more than 500'! It's bumpy up thar!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:00 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Curt wrote-> >> Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet> > You laugh! The Siskiyou Summit (highest point on Interstate 5) is 4,310 ft.and if I slide through the pass with maybe 500 ft. of clearance, I'm almost at5,000 MSL. Never been that high in Scout! I start to get worried that I mightescape the gravitational pull of Earth and slingshot out where I could getinto Class Alpha airspace. And Scout being 'negative xpdr'...!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 157#417157> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ray,Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing you andthat beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind you as youleft...tried to get your attention...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Ray,Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing you andthat beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind you as youleft...tried to get your attention...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
Original Posted By: "GNflyer"
Really? Shows right up on my puter... hmmm...Lets try this!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a4_a ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
Really? Shows right up on my puter... hmmm...Lets try this!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a4_a ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
that front pit cover must be a big help- how is it attached? thanks for the videoRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:21:41 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
that front pit cover must be a big help- how is it attached? thanks for the videoRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:21:41 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Awesome picture! I am sure your dad loved it.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Awesome picture! I am sure your dad loved it.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
The cover only looks rigid or with stiffeners because it is painted withlatex paint (thanks to the suggestion by Shelley, which she did on KevinPurtee's FBG!). It not only make the canvas match the plane, but alsosomewhat water repellent and much stiffer! I have four toggles snaps, 1 in each corner. At 65F yesterday, I probablydidn't need the front cover, but, Yes, it keeps almost all the wind off ofmy legs!!Gary BootheNX308MB
The cover only looks rigid or with stiffeners because it is painted withlatex paint (thanks to the suggestion by Shelley, which she did on KevinPurtee's FBG!). It not only make the canvas match the plane, but alsosomewhat water repellent and much stiffer! I have four toggles snaps, 1 in each corner. At 65F yesterday, I probablydidn't need the front cover, but, Yes, it keeps almost all the wind off ofmy legs!!Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
OK, so this evening I put pencil lines on the sectionals and planned my route offlight and fuel stops. First leg will be over the Siskiyou Summit to SiskiyouCounty airport, 48 statute, I'm planning a 7AM launch on Friday, June 6 soI should arrive at Siskiyou County ("check for oil leaks; check for loose hardware;check pilot for weak knees and heart palpitations") at about 8AM. Nextstop will be Red Bluff, 116 statute, about 2 hours. Fuel up and keep going.Next stop will be at Yolo County west of Sacramento, I should arrive at about 1PMand will fuel up, have lunch, and seek a remedy for saddle soreness.Next stop (if I can keep awake after lunch!) will be at Los Banos, 118 statutemiles distant, where I should arrive before 5PM. I will probably stay the nightat a motel there and plan on grouping up with anybody who will be heading outto Frazier Lake from the Los Banos side in the morning. I will have roughly7 flight hours and 393 statute miles from Medford to Los Banos.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
OK, so this evening I put pencil lines on the sectionals and planned my route offlight and fuel stops. First leg will be over the Siskiyou Summit to SiskiyouCounty airport, 48 statute, I'm planning a 7AM launch on Friday, June 6 soI should arrive at Siskiyou County ("check for oil leaks; check for loose hardware;check pilot for weak knees and heart palpitations") at about 8AM. Nextstop will be Red Bluff, 116 statute, about 2 hours. Fuel up and keep going.Next stop will be at Yolo County west of Sacramento, I should arrive at about 1PMand will fuel up, have lunch, and seek a remedy for saddle soreness.Next stop (if I can keep awake after lunch!) will be at Los Banos, 118 statutemiles distant, where I should arrive before 5PM. I will probably stay the nightat a motel there and plan on grouping up with anybody who will be heading outto Frazier Lake from the Los Banos side in the morning. I will have roughly7 flight hours and 393 statute miles from Medford to Los Banos.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Suggestion: When you leave Yolo County, go for altitude! It's a bumpy rideover the delta area, especially in the afternoon. There's a reason why thelandscape is peppered with windmill farms...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Suggestion: When you leave Yolo County, go for altitude! It's a bumpy rideover the delta area, especially in the afternoon. There's a reason why thelandscape is peppered with windmill farms...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Glen,Here are the explanations for the correct installation and caster for a tailwheelset up. I concur with all the folks who have written these. My plane is setup exactly as described here. Here is the link. Please red this so none of us end up wrecking a perfectly goodairplane.http://eaa.org/news/2014/releases/2014- ... s.pdfHappy Landings,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Glen,Here are the explanations for the correct installation and caster for a tailwheelset up. I concur with all the folks who have written these. My plane is setup exactly as described here. Here is the link. Please red this so none of us end up wrecking a perfectly goodairplane.http://eaa.org/news/2014/releases/2014- ... s.pdfHappy Landings,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Oscar,Sounds like you have a handle on it. Enjoy your flight and see you there. Scoutwill be Soooo Happy.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:53:46 -0800 (PST)
Oscar,Sounds like you have a handle on it. Enjoy your flight and see you there. Scoutwill be Soooo Happy.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:53:46 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
So... is there an info page=2C or a "host"=2C or a common point of contact for the Frazier Lake event=2C or is this list the meeting place? I'm starting to get a little more excited about the event since it has really started to be spring around here. We're supposed to be into the 70s for highs this weekend and the days this week have been just beautiful. The pireps from you Pieters who have already ventured out of the hangar have also gotten my blood stirring.Just two things left to do before I fill the tank and pull the prop on Scout=2C and those should happen this weekend. I've got my engine oil all ready for the oil change once I warm up the engine=2C and I dug out the headset and tangle of cords that goes with it. I'm on a controlled field=2C so for the past year or so I've had my little Icom IC-A23 on tower frequency anytime I'm in the hangar so I can pick up the chatter and figure out what's what. Today I checked with the A&P who's going to do the condition inspection on the airplane and he's ready when Scout is. This will not be his first condition inspection on an Air Camper=2C but we'll see what he thinks when he peeks up Scout's skirt. I can already smell that engine exhaust as I run up the engine and taxi test to see how it handles with the Matco tailwheel.So it's about 12 weeks till the fly-in. I'll need at least two more weeks to get odds and ends wrapped up=2C then another week for the inspection and another week to clear up squawks=2C so that leaves 8 weeks to get in the air and get comfortable before I run the Siskiyou Summit headed south. I've been reading up on how to fly a good test card to determine Vx and Vy and I want to do that during that time=2C too. I need to scale it back to Piet proportions though... most test cards out there are for planes that can climb thousands of feet in a reasonable amount of time=2C and they don't even start their test programs till they get to about 3000'. I would burn an afternoon and a tank of fuel trying to do that! They also recommend using a stopwatch for the timed climbs. I'm going to use an hourglass =3Bo)I also need to make a 'For Sale' sign to hang on the plane at Frazier Lake. That's the plan=2C anyway.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power=2C Tennessee Props 72x36 prop ________________________________________________________________________________
So... is there an info page=2C or a "host"=2C or a common point of contact for the Frazier Lake event=2C or is this list the meeting place? I'm starting to get a little more excited about the event since it has really started to be spring around here. We're supposed to be into the 70s for highs this weekend and the days this week have been just beautiful. The pireps from you Pieters who have already ventured out of the hangar have also gotten my blood stirring.Just two things left to do before I fill the tank and pull the prop on Scout=2C and those should happen this weekend. I've got my engine oil all ready for the oil change once I warm up the engine=2C and I dug out the headset and tangle of cords that goes with it. I'm on a controlled field=2C so for the past year or so I've had my little Icom IC-A23 on tower frequency anytime I'm in the hangar so I can pick up the chatter and figure out what's what. Today I checked with the A&P who's going to do the condition inspection on the airplane and he's ready when Scout is. This will not be his first condition inspection on an Air Camper=2C but we'll see what he thinks when he peeks up Scout's skirt. I can already smell that engine exhaust as I run up the engine and taxi test to see how it handles with the Matco tailwheel.So it's about 12 weeks till the fly-in. I'll need at least two more weeks to get odds and ends wrapped up=2C then another week for the inspection and another week to clear up squawks=2C so that leaves 8 weeks to get in the air and get comfortable before I run the Siskiyou Summit headed south. I've been reading up on how to fly a good test card to determine Vx and Vy and I want to do that during that time=2C too. I need to scale it back to Piet proportions though... most test cards out there are for planes that can climb thousands of feet in a reasonable amount of time=2C and they don't even start their test programs till they get to about 3000'. I would burn an afternoon and a tank of fuel trying to do that! They also recommend using a stopwatch for the timed climbs. I'm going to use an hourglass =3Bo)I also need to make a 'For Sale' sign to hang on the plane at Frazier Lake. That's the plan=2C anyway.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power=2C Tennessee Props 72x36 prop ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
OscarMike Groah is the point man for the fly-in. I heard from him the other dayand he is working on this year's flyer. I'm sure info will be out soon.But really all you need to know is the date and where. That's about allthere is to the details. Is a very low key affair.Chris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com
OscarMike Groah is the point man for the fly-in. I heard from him the other dayand he is working on this year's flyer. I'm sure info will be out soon.But really all you need to know is the date and where. That's about allthere is to the details. Is a very low key affair.Chris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com
Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Oscar,I also heard from Mike G last night. He was confirming the final details for theflyer. PIREP from Lancaster CA. I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend. On SaturdayI took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an houror so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friendsand such. It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew forabout 0.8 hours. Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he was so heavy.He admitted to 244lbs. He filled the whole front cockpit. He is the heaviestperson I have taken for a ride. It was about 70 degrees out and my airfieldis at 2347 MSL. The poor plane needed about 99% power to remain aloft.I think the next flight will just be me so I can remember what a joy it is tofly as a single seat plane. Gotta do that every now and then. Oscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling. Don't be surprisedif you do. Cheers everyone and go flying,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oscar,I also heard from Mike G last night. He was confirming the final details for theflyer. PIREP from Lancaster CA. I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend. On SaturdayI took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an houror so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friendsand such. It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew forabout 0.8 hours. Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he was so heavy.He admitted to 244lbs. He filled the whole front cockpit. He is the heaviestperson I have taken for a ride. It was about 70 degrees out and my airfieldis at 2347 MSL. The poor plane needed about 99% power to remain aloft.I think the next flight will just be me so I can remember what a joy it is tofly as a single seat plane. Gotta do that every now and then. Oscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling. Don't be surprisedif you do. Cheers everyone and go flying,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Dick; probably everything you still need to figure out can be deduced by studyingthe attached photo. You'll get close enough, anyway. Water taxiing is allabout where the step in the floats is placed relative to the CG, and the restis pretty much figuring out the geometry of the mounting hardware.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bush ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Dick; probably everything you still need to figure out can be deduced by studyingthe attached photo. You'll get close enough, anyway. Water taxiing is allabout where the step in the floats is placed relative to the CG, and the restis pretty much figuring out the geometry of the mounting hardware.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bush ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Thanks Jack for the kind words and the ride. Not sure I can live up to them! Toomuch pressure!!Here are a few updated pictures.ChuckRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Thanks Jack for the kind words and the ride. Not sure I can live up to them! Toomuch pressure!!Here are a few updated pictures.ChuckRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hopefully, that's a pic of two Piets climbing out...not maintaining alt!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Hopefully, that's a pic of two Piets climbing out...not maintaining alt!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: "Hooking them in"
Original Posted By: cjborsuk
Chuck,It's gonna be a sweet flyer. I can tell just by the looks of it!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Chuck,It's gonna be a sweet flyer. I can tell just by the looks of it!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: "Hooking them in"
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Looks really nice, Chuck. Looks like you're about at the 90% done, 90% togo stage.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Looks really nice, Chuck. Looks like you're about at the 90% done, 90% togo stage.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Nails and Bulkhead discoloration
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Yes Gary during climb out. You trying to start something???? Smart guy
--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Nails and Bulkhead discoloration
Yes Gary during climb out. You trying to start something???? Smart guy
--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Nails and Bulkhead discolorationOriginal Posted By: Ray Krause
Brian,The nails don't provided any structural strength. Some guys remove all the nailsfor a small weight savings. Some just leave them in. Since you live in a damparea I would go ahead and remove all that you can then sand the ugly off andreseal. I would hate to have a nail head rust off then Polk through the fabric.I'm not sure there is really a right answer to your question. Just personalpreference.My 3 cents. Good luck.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Brian,The nails don't provided any structural strength. Some guys remove all the nailsfor a small weight savings. Some just leave them in. Since you live in a damparea I would go ahead and remove all that you can then sand the ugly off andreseal. I would hate to have a nail head rust off then Polk through the fabric.I'm not sure there is really a right answer to your question. Just personalpreference.My 3 cents. Good luck.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gary,Are you going to Woodland tomorrow?RaySent from my iPad> On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > > Hopefully, that's a pic of two Piets climbing out...not maintaining alt!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Gary,Are you going to Woodland tomorrow?RaySent from my iPad> On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > > Hopefully, that's a pic of two Piets climbing out...not maintaining alt!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sorry, Ray. Cold and flu...I'm grounded.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Sorry, Ray. Cold and flu...I'm grounded.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Nails and Bulkhead discoloration
Original Posted By: "N219BR"
Hey,Anybody have some 4130 tubing laying around they wanna sell cheap? Round,square, rusty. doesn't much matter. It's for a high-mileage vehicle "funproject" and is just for prototyping.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Nails and Bulkhead discoloration
Hey,Anybody have some 4130 tubing laying around they wanna sell cheap? Round,square, rusty. doesn't much matter. It's for a high-mileage vehicle "funproject" and is just for prototyping.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Nails and Bulkhead discoloration
Pietenpol-List: Re: "Hooking them in"
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Thanks all. I was of the same mind--I didn't think it was a big deal; but, as alwaysits good to voice your questions with experience base.Thanks,Brian Durham--------Brian DurhamRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Hooking them in"
Thanks all. I was of the same mind--I didn't think it was a big deal; but, as alwaysits good to voice your questions with experience base.Thanks,Brian Durham--------Brian DurhamRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Hooking them in"
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Awesome Chuck, just awesome....!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Awesome Chuck, just awesome....!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sorry, too! Just get over it! You're too old for that stuff!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > > Sorry, Ray. Cold and flu...I'm grounded.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Sorry, too! Just get over it! You're too old for that stuff!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > > Sorry, Ray. Cold and flu...I'm grounded.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----