Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Pietenpol-List: Plywood
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Original Posted By: "Matt Naiva"
Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: "mr-fix-all"
Mine are the same as Jim's and I would have to agree that a little more width wouldbe nice. I went with the 1.85 because I was concerned about finding a tirefor a 21-inch rim that is wider then the common 1.85 rim. You might want todrop down to a 19-inch rim like Mike Cuy and Don Emch. I think there are moretire choices for that size.Chris, I'm so sick and tired of metal fittings, Tracy--------Chris TracySacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Mine are the same as Jim's and I would have to agree that a little more width wouldbe nice. I went with the 1.85 because I was concerned about finding a tirefor a 21-inch rim that is wider then the common 1.85 rim. You might want todrop down to a 19-inch rim like Mike Cuy and Don Emch. I think there are moretire choices for that size.Chris, I'm so sick and tired of metal fittings, Tracy--------Chris TracySacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: "Skip Gadd"
Question, is the 1/16 90 deg birch plywood that aircraft spruce the same 1/1690 deg birch plywood that hobby stores sell.I received my riblett plans from Roman today and I need to order plywood.--------"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, andthose that matter don't mind" Dr. SeussRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Question, is the 1/16 90 deg birch plywood that aircraft spruce the same 1/1690 deg birch plywood that hobby stores sell.I received my riblett plans from Roman today and I need to order plywood.--------"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, andthose that matter don't mind" Dr. SeussRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: rim width
Original Posted By:> Douwe Blumberg
Douwe,Mine are 2.25", tires are 26" OD. Got three rims from motorcycle graveyard,all the same but had different hubs.Skip> [Original Message]
Douwe,Mine are 2.25", tires are 26" OD. Got three rims from motorcycle graveyard,all the same but had different hubs.Skip> [Original Message]
Pietenpol-List: Autogas vs.Avgas
Original Posted By:
>Of course, all Pietenpol owners drain their fuel system for the winter.What is "winter"? Down here, we fly our airplanes year 'round ;o)PS, I fly avgas in 41CC exclusively. It's an airplane, not a car ;o) Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
>Of course, all Pietenpol owners drain their fuel system for the winter.What is "winter"? Down here, we fly our airplanes year 'round ;o)PS, I fly avgas in 41CC exclusively. It's an airplane, not a car ;o) Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: "mr-fix-all"
It's what I used on my ribs. Lately I have found a lower quality plywood being sold in my local hobby shop so be careful. I boiled and soaked the good stuff in water just to check it first and it was just fine.Chris TracySacramento, CaWebsite at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com----- Original Message -----
It's what I used on my ribs. Lately I have found a lower quality plywood being sold in my local hobby shop so be careful. I boiled and soaked the good stuff in water just to check it first and it was just fine.Chris TracySacramento, CaWebsite at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett's Info
Original Posted By: jeremy bramall
Tim , as per usual, you are on track, Riblitt's better design even over the 612is the 613.5, As you know it is easy to see the difference . But you can alsocarry a larger fuel tank in the 613.5.LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
Tim , as per usual, you are on track, Riblitt's better design even over the 612is the 613.5, As you know it is easy to see the difference . But you can alsocarry a larger fuel tank in the 613.5.LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
> Pietenpol-List: Riblett's Info
Original Posted By: shad bell
Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Better print up a bunch of 'em. :-)Nice work.- Pat--------PatrickXL/650/CorvairN63PZ (reserved)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Better print up a bunch of 'em. :-)Nice work.- Pat--------PatrickXL/650/CorvairN63PZ (reserved)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Pieters, a question on plywood.Would anyone mind providing some idea on how much plywood is necessary? I knowit kind of depends on fuselage type, wing construction, length, width, etc. I've looked over the plans and believe that I've figured it properly, but sinceI am hoping to get all the big stuff on my next order I would like to know howmuch ply others have required. I'm planning to build the long fuse, and ifanything I may widen it a couple of inches. Not sure that is necessary at thispoint. I've read some discussion recently on a longer wing, but I think I'llprobably just stick to the plans. The way I figure it, I'm going to need...1 sheet 1/16" x 4' x 8' mahogany for LE sheeting (should have some extra here)2 sheets 1/8" x 4' x 8' mahogany for sides, wing center, turtle deck, gussets,seats2 sheets 1/4" x 4' x 4' birch for the floorI think this ought to be close. I may perhaps need a bit more 1/8" ply, but Ithink I can pull it off if I utilize the proper dimensions. Maybe I'm way off?Looking for confirmation... comments or suggestions.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Pieters, a question on plywood.Would anyone mind providing some idea on how much plywood is necessary? I knowit kind of depends on fuselage type, wing construction, length, width, etc. I've looked over the plans and believe that I've figured it properly, but sinceI am hoping to get all the big stuff on my next order I would like to know howmuch ply others have required. I'm planning to build the long fuse, and ifanything I may widen it a couple of inches. Not sure that is necessary at thispoint. I've read some discussion recently on a longer wing, but I think I'llprobably just stick to the plans. The way I figure it, I'm going to need...1 sheet 1/16" x 4' x 8' mahogany for LE sheeting (should have some extra here)2 sheets 1/8" x 4' x 8' mahogany for sides, wing center, turtle deck, gussets,seats2 sheets 1/4" x 4' x 4' birch for the floorI think this ought to be close. I may perhaps need a bit more 1/8" ply, but Ithink I can pull it off if I utilize the proper dimensions. Maybe I'm way off?Looking for confirmation... comments or suggestions.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Mark,Sounds about right. But I think you're going to need another 4' x 4' sheet of 1/16"ply for your wing rib gussets.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Mark,Sounds about right. But I think you're going to need another 4' x 4' sheet of 1/16"ply for your wing rib gussets.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Right Bill, I forgot to mention that I've already built my wing ribs. Thanks for the reply.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Right Bill, I forgot to mention that I've already built my wing ribs. Thanks for the reply.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: a day at the hangar
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
So there were no more excuses left today. I finished installing the centersection flop with the new hinge=2C then installed the new pilot's windscreen=2C serviced the air filter- and there was nothing left to do. Dragged Scout from my hangar to the self-service pumps (which seemed like it must have been 20 miles=2C uphill)=2C put 10 gallons in the tank=2C and towed the airplane back to the hangar. The tailwheel dolly makes it about as easy as it can be=2C but it was a good workout anyway.Tailwheel tied down=2C stick tied back=2C sumped the gascolator- and there were just no more delay tactics left to try. Mags off=2C pulled it through 8 blades with the throttle cracked=2C then made the mags hot and took off my outer shirt since I expected to get a good workout. The engine surprised me by lighting off on the third pull! Oil pressure came right up and everything looked good=2C so I put on my jacket and settled into the cockpit to give the oil a good warmup so I could change it after a year and a half of sitting.The ground shook as the thunder of the mighty A75 let the whole world hear its mighty roaring echoes down the row of hangars. Got the engine good and warm (oil temp about 170-175F)=2C which took about 15 minutes at throttle settings from 1500 on up to full static RPM=2C and during that time I checked mag drops=2C carb heat=2C and just listened to the engine and felt it run. It's wanting me to keep carb heat on all the time and it actually gives an RPM increase=2C not decrease=2C and smoother running with it on. Mag drop was rough at lower RPM but cleared up as I kept inching the power up and up and letting the engine warm up. By the time I was ready to shut down=2C it still didn't like higher power settings without carb heat but it would run at 1500 as smooth as silk with the tach needle frozen in place and no carb heat. It also idled just fine=2C on down to about 800 RPM=2C no carb heat. I'll have to figure that out.Drained and changed the oil=2C noticed that my front main oil seal is still seeping enough to make me want to go ahead and change the seal=2C and then I put the airplane away. Next time out of the hangar=2C which could be tomorrow=2C we're going flying.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a day at the hangar
So there were no more excuses left today. I finished installing the centersection flop with the new hinge=2C then installed the new pilot's windscreen=2C serviced the air filter- and there was nothing left to do. Dragged Scout from my hangar to the self-service pumps (which seemed like it must have been 20 miles=2C uphill)=2C put 10 gallons in the tank=2C and towed the airplane back to the hangar. The tailwheel dolly makes it about as easy as it can be=2C but it was a good workout anyway.Tailwheel tied down=2C stick tied back=2C sumped the gascolator- and there were just no more delay tactics left to try. Mags off=2C pulled it through 8 blades with the throttle cracked=2C then made the mags hot and took off my outer shirt since I expected to get a good workout. The engine surprised me by lighting off on the third pull! Oil pressure came right up and everything looked good=2C so I put on my jacket and settled into the cockpit to give the oil a good warmup so I could change it after a year and a half of sitting.The ground shook as the thunder of the mighty A75 let the whole world hear its mighty roaring echoes down the row of hangars. Got the engine good and warm (oil temp about 170-175F)=2C which took about 15 minutes at throttle settings from 1500 on up to full static RPM=2C and during that time I checked mag drops=2C carb heat=2C and just listened to the engine and felt it run. It's wanting me to keep carb heat on all the time and it actually gives an RPM increase=2C not decrease=2C and smoother running with it on. Mag drop was rough at lower RPM but cleared up as I kept inching the power up and up and letting the engine warm up. By the time I was ready to shut down=2C it still didn't like higher power settings without carb heat but it would run at 1500 as smooth as silk with the tach needle frozen in place and no carb heat. It also idled just fine=2C on down to about 800 RPM=2C no carb heat. I'll have to figure that out.Drained and changed the oil=2C noticed that my front main oil seal is still seeping enough to make me want to go ahead and change the seal=2C and then I put the airplane away. Next time out of the hangar=2C which could be tomorrow=2C we're going flying.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a day at the hangar
Original Posted By: "mdsalern(at)yahoo.com"
Woo Hoo! Scout breaths again. Sounds like very little CPR and transfusion will bring mostall small Cont engines back to life. Enjoy your flight tomorrow. Pics (proof)please.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
Woo Hoo! Scout breaths again. Sounds like very little CPR and transfusion will bring mostall small Cont engines back to life. Enjoy your flight tomorrow. Pics (proof)please.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: jim hyde
RE: Pietenpol-List: a day at the hangar
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar,I had a similar issue with carb heat. Make sure it is fully closing. Enjoyyour flight!Gary BootheNX308MB
Oscar,I had a similar issue with carb heat. Make sure it is fully closing. Enjoyyour flight!Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
So at this point I guess I will proceed making the wide body version since I dowant this engine mount to work.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:19:08 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
So at this point I guess I will proceed making the wide body version since I dowant this engine mount to work.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:19:08 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: a day at the hangar
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
How do you balance a prop like that one? Funny how I phones do that.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
How do you balance a prop like that one? Funny how I phones do that.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: a day at the hangar
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My prop is very flexible, too...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
My prop is very flexible, too...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
With a fuselage measuring a full =BC=94 too wide, I wonder if it can even betermed a Pietenpol!!I suppose it could be parked in a back row somewhere with the other =93impure=94imposters!!!:-)Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
With a fuselage measuring a full =BC=94 too wide, I wonder if it can even betermed a Pietenpol!!I suppose it could be parked in a back row somewhere with the other =93impure=94imposters!!!:-)Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
Builders,Six months ago I was sent a very nice hat from EAA HQ, one of the new ones withthe traditional logo. It was something of an olive branch, as I had worked asa staff writer for many years, but later became an outsider during the 'corporateshift'. When I saw the hat's tag said "Made in China." I sent it back witha note that I would not wear it, and they should not send things like thisto EAA members like Pietenpol builder Roger White.There are some good photos of Brodhead and Oshkosh 201o at this link:http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.htmlAbout half way down you can see Roger's picture, and he is wearing a hat with aCombat infantryman's Badge. Something he earned at great cost, fighting Chinesein Korea. In my note to HQ I explained that Roger may be subjected to Chinaproducts at Walmart, because it is a corporation, but the EAA is allegedly amembership association, not driven by profit, and we can have US made hats formen like Roger.If you would like to know how to go from being on the EAA publications mastheadfor four years to being persona non grata, easy: All you have to do is writea stream of stories like this one, which points out how much of the US light aviationindustry is already owned by the Chinese:http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/23/commun ... hkosh/When the message is "These are our new friends," Writing stories about the EAA'spresident getting caught by 60 minutes with a fake engineering degree, makesone a pariah. I wrote the story below after the C-162 failed, pointing out thatthe EAA president Jack Pelton, Mr. fake degree, was the guy who plotted exportingthe project to China. The story was widely circulated, and yes, I evenheard from the EAA's person who runs the 'China Pavilion' at Oshkosh, explaininghow much better things would be I just saw it their way. Sadly, they are notreally worried about me starting a revolt, as they know only 10-15% of the membershipcares about "Made in USA."http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/23/cessna ... ---Michael, I assume that your gas price was a typo, because gas was $1.56 in 1999,it has not been $.56 since well before you were born. I am 51 years old, andI have a strong feeling about keeping aviation affordable to working Americanslike you. At it's very root, this was the driving force behind BHP life's work.He started this in the depression, when it was a lot harder, and I don'tintend to drop the ball on my watch. We are not a country of spectators. >From the story above:"So, who will make Americas light planes? You will, the working American, just as you have always done. In 1946 Cessna went from war production to making 30 C-120s and C-140s a day, without any issue atall. The greedy corporate scum like Pelton had 6 years to tool up and they couldnt hardly make 30 aircraft per year in China. The only important difference is that the Cessna ownership in 1946 respected their workforce of Americans, and 60 years later Pelton had all his faith in the best $2/hr Chineseworkers he could buy. Moving forward, it is clear that Cessna has now abandonedthe affordable aircraft market. This makes no difference to any homebuilder. In 1946, Cessna was something of a partner to American labor in producing thatgeneration of affordable American aircraft. Today, they have proven to be a worthless element. Each of us, developing our own craftsmanship, will work in our own one plane factory and produce our own aircraft. This is how American labor will build this generation of affordable aircraft. We dont need cheap labor in China, we dont need greedy CEOs and we dont need any membership organization that is headed by a person who fails to understand this.-ww.--------------------------------------------Michael, when I was 32, I had just spent 5 years and my $70K life savings Embry-Riddle,had a 3.85 GPA, and he highest paying job in aviation I could find was$10/hr. My personal wealth was limited to my Piet project, 1,500 pounds of booksand tools, a rusty 1967 Corvair, what I knew, and a handful of friends. From there I made progress, but I also made a series of foolish decisions thatslowed my rate of climb, and one on 7/14/01 that came pretty close to costingmy life. It is a safe assumption you are smarter than me, and trust me, no matterhow bad things seem economically, you can build your plane. You loose onlywhen you quit. Find other people who motivate you and focus of their positiveperspective. You can see in the photos below that we live on a little airport, but we live prettyfrugally. I have long known that I am happy when I am dreaming of and workingon a project. Material goods beyond tools don't keep me happy. every decisionI made to put my craft first, to invest in myself instead of consumer goods,was a step toward building, flying and happiness.If you read anything I write this year, make it the last 5 paragraphs of the storybelow:http://flycorvair.net/2013/09/09/sunday ... rport/Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Builders,Six months ago I was sent a very nice hat from EAA HQ, one of the new ones withthe traditional logo. It was something of an olive branch, as I had worked asa staff writer for many years, but later became an outsider during the 'corporateshift'. When I saw the hat's tag said "Made in China." I sent it back witha note that I would not wear it, and they should not send things like thisto EAA members like Pietenpol builder Roger White.There are some good photos of Brodhead and Oshkosh 201o at this link:http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.htmlAbout half way down you can see Roger's picture, and he is wearing a hat with aCombat infantryman's Badge. Something he earned at great cost, fighting Chinesein Korea. In my note to HQ I explained that Roger may be subjected to Chinaproducts at Walmart, because it is a corporation, but the EAA is allegedly amembership association, not driven by profit, and we can have US made hats formen like Roger.If you would like to know how to go from being on the EAA publications mastheadfor four years to being persona non grata, easy: All you have to do is writea stream of stories like this one, which points out how much of the US light aviationindustry is already owned by the Chinese:http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/23/commun ... hkosh/When the message is "These are our new friends," Writing stories about the EAA'spresident getting caught by 60 minutes with a fake engineering degree, makesone a pariah. I wrote the story below after the C-162 failed, pointing out thatthe EAA president Jack Pelton, Mr. fake degree, was the guy who plotted exportingthe project to China. The story was widely circulated, and yes, I evenheard from the EAA's person who runs the 'China Pavilion' at Oshkosh, explaininghow much better things would be I just saw it their way. Sadly, they are notreally worried about me starting a revolt, as they know only 10-15% of the membershipcares about "Made in USA."http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/23/cessna ... ---Michael, I assume that your gas price was a typo, because gas was $1.56 in 1999,it has not been $.56 since well before you were born. I am 51 years old, andI have a strong feeling about keeping aviation affordable to working Americanslike you. At it's very root, this was the driving force behind BHP life's work.He started this in the depression, when it was a lot harder, and I don'tintend to drop the ball on my watch. We are not a country of spectators. >From the story above:"So, who will make Americas light planes? You will, the working American, just as you have always done. In 1946 Cessna went from war production to making 30 C-120s and C-140s a day, without any issue atall. The greedy corporate scum like Pelton had 6 years to tool up and they couldnt hardly make 30 aircraft per year in China. The only important difference is that the Cessna ownership in 1946 respected their workforce of Americans, and 60 years later Pelton had all his faith in the best $2/hr Chineseworkers he could buy. Moving forward, it is clear that Cessna has now abandonedthe affordable aircraft market. This makes no difference to any homebuilder. In 1946, Cessna was something of a partner to American labor in producing thatgeneration of affordable American aircraft. Today, they have proven to be a worthless element. Each of us, developing our own craftsmanship, will work in our own one plane factory and produce our own aircraft. This is how American labor will build this generation of affordable aircraft. We dont need cheap labor in China, we dont need greedy CEOs and we dont need any membership organization that is headed by a person who fails to understand this.-ww.--------------------------------------------Michael, when I was 32, I had just spent 5 years and my $70K life savings Embry-Riddle,had a 3.85 GPA, and he highest paying job in aviation I could find was$10/hr. My personal wealth was limited to my Piet project, 1,500 pounds of booksand tools, a rusty 1967 Corvair, what I knew, and a handful of friends. From there I made progress, but I also made a series of foolish decisions thatslowed my rate of climb, and one on 7/14/01 that came pretty close to costingmy life. It is a safe assumption you are smarter than me, and trust me, no matterhow bad things seem economically, you can build your plane. You loose onlywhen you quit. Find other people who motivate you and focus of their positiveperspective. You can see in the photos below that we live on a little airport, but we live prettyfrugally. I have long known that I am happy when I am dreaming of and workingon a project. Material goods beyond tools don't keep me happy. every decisionI made to put my craft first, to invest in myself instead of consumer goods,was a step toward building, flying and happiness.If you read anything I write this year, make it the last 5 paragraphs of the storybelow:http://flycorvair.net/2013/09/09/sunday ... rport/Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By:> WilliamTCA(at)aol.com
WW=2C I started looking through your reference articles (http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.html) . The third photo shows a plane up on the scales. Notwithstanding the possible Chinese source=2C I have thought about ordering a set of digital scales off Ebay for the weighing process. Maybe something in the 350lb range so that the load on each finds a weight near the mid-range. I've got your W&B articles on order=2C but not received yet.Thoughts?Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
WW=2C I started looking through your reference articles (http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.html) . The third photo shows a plane up on the scales. Notwithstanding the possible Chinese source=2C I have thought about ordering a set of digital scales off Ebay for the weighing process. Maybe something in the 350lb range so that the load on each finds a weight near the mid-range. I've got your W&B articles on order=2C but not received yet.Thoughts?Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Douwe,A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient land basedstuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to be battleship heavyand barn door aerodynamic.My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the link below.It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320 fuselage I had in therafters. He graphed them together in my hangar. In Florida the trike is considereda motorcycle, and is exempt from any kind of inspection or insurance. Thetrike actually has a small steel tube structure in it attaching the unit bodydriveline end to the composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000miles in the last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.'He brings it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You cangoogle his name for more internet pictures.http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... trike/Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Douwe,A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient land basedstuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to be battleship heavyand barn door aerodynamic.My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the link below.It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320 fuselage I had in therafters. He graphed them together in my hangar. In Florida the trike is considereda motorcycle, and is exempt from any kind of inspection or insurance. Thetrike actually has a small steel tube structure in it attaching the unit bodydriveline end to the composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000miles in the last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.'He brings it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You cangoogle his name for more internet pictures.http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... trike/Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: "TriScout"
I built my entire airplane using advice from the Tony Bingelis Sportplane builder series of books and they are incredible resourcesand as you all know I'm an avid supporter of using these books which, though are older now, are still a very sound way to build a homebuiltand what I love about Tony's perspective is that he gives you many ways to go about a certain task---then you chose.One thing I see on Pietenpols are static lines/tubes by the airspeed indicator that are unnecessary. I read in Tony's books that with an open cockpit planeyou can simply eliminate the static tubing lines and plug the static ports on the airspeed and altimeter with poly plugs and then drill a tinyhole in them which will read ambient/static pressure just fine.Back when I built my plane in the early 90's I got all kinds of lousy advice from people at the airport or people who had supposed knowledge of homebuildingand many things I heard were simply either not airworthy or sound or outdated and full of wives tales and that is why I always deferred to the Bingelis adviceand that gave me an FAA inspection with only 1 item to correct and 15 years of trouble-free flying. I'll stick with my Uncle Tony's advice for homebuilding anyday!Mike C.Ohiohttp://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/6Installing%20a%20Pitot-Static%20System.html[cid:image001.png(at)01CF4291.CA242010][cid:image002.png(at)01CF4291.CA242010][cid:image003.png(at)01CF4291.CA242010]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
I built my entire airplane using advice from the Tony Bingelis Sportplane builder series of books and they are incredible resourcesand as you all know I'm an avid supporter of using these books which, though are older now, are still a very sound way to build a homebuiltand what I love about Tony's perspective is that he gives you many ways to go about a certain task---then you chose.One thing I see on Pietenpols are static lines/tubes by the airspeed indicator that are unnecessary. I read in Tony's books that with an open cockpit planeyou can simply eliminate the static tubing lines and plug the static ports on the airspeed and altimeter with poly plugs and then drill a tinyhole in them which will read ambient/static pressure just fine.Back when I built my plane in the early 90's I got all kinds of lousy advice from people at the airport or people who had supposed knowledge of homebuildingand many things I heard were simply either not airworthy or sound or outdated and full of wives tales and that is why I always deferred to the Bingelis adviceand that gave me an FAA inspection with only 1 item to correct and 15 years of trouble-free flying. I'll stick with my Uncle Tony's advice for homebuilding anyday!Mike C.Ohiohttp://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/instruments/6Installing%20a%20Pitot-Static%20System.html[cid:image001.png(at)01CF4291.CA242010][cid:image002.png(at)01CF4291.CA242010][cid:image003.png(at)01CF4291.CA242010]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
That's what is neat about the GN-1. I use AN hardware on everything...down to thetiny washers. As far as I can determine, there is nothing made in china onit.--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
That's what is neat about the GN-1. I use AN hardware on everything...down to thetiny washers. As far as I can determine, there is nothing made in china onit.--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Pietenpol-List: Re: See you at Brodhead
Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
A simple wiring diagram from "Sportplane Construction Techniques" is attached.It's a Word.doc--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mag_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: See you at Brodhead
A simple wiring diagram from "Sportplane Construction Techniques" is attached.It's a Word.doc--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mag_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: See you at Brodhead
Pietenpol-List: Re: you don't need a static port or static line on a Pietenpol
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Yep, Doc and Dee's talk on the Zen of the Pietenpol did it!William, I have to say the people, Doc, Dee, yourself and all the people I've Met in the Pietenpol community were a big part in my going aheadWith this project.Not being able to get the time of day from builders groups of otherdesigns I had looked at, I was really surprised to find how open andwelcoming the Pietenpol group was to a new builder.I feel very lucky to have stumbled into such a great group of peoplebuilding a great plane with such a great history.Now I know why people say that the first time you go to Brodhead it'sfor the planes- after that it's for the people!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: you don't need a static port or static line on a Pietenpol
Yep, Doc and Dee's talk on the Zen of the Pietenpol did it!William, I have to say the people, Doc, Dee, yourself and all the people I've Met in the Pietenpol community were a big part in my going aheadWith this project.Not being able to get the time of day from builders groups of otherdesigns I had looked at, I was really surprised to find how open andwelcoming the Pietenpol group was to a new builder.I feel very lucky to have stumbled into such a great group of peoplebuilding a great plane with such a great history.Now I know why people say that the first time you go to Brodhead it'sfor the planes- after that it's for the people!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: you don't need a static port or static line on a Pietenpol
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Mike,Perhaps the reason why Tony Bingelis gets high marks in your book is because whatyou were looking for just happened to be his strength, namely information onsimple plans built plane with a Continental engine. Some people see this astraditional EAA, all the way back to the modern mechanics Baby ace that startedthe EAA in 1953.However, some of us think of the EAA as a place to innovate and develop expandedideas. Not necessarily complex ones, I myself are more interested in ones thatgive working people more access to flight, getting the out of the spectatorseats and into the workshop.Right in front of me is Bingelis's 1988 book firewall forward. A great resourceif you happen to be building a plane like yours. However, I can make a prettygood claim that the book is otherwise dated, and he barely disguises his antiinnovation bias, often with hints that it is dangerous or foolhardy. Look in the first few pages and see that Bingelis is anti-liquid cooling, predictingthey will not be a significant number of non-type certified engines ever.Explain how that accounts for Rotax 912s? His Comments on other non traditionalengines are equally off the mark. I am not a VW guy, But there is almost nothingin his comments on them that is still valid. Bingelis's book includes thecomment that car engine "Invariably require a radiator", in the photo is BHPpersonal Corvair powered Aircamper, no radiator.Tony was not big on testing things, and his data reflects that he often blindlyrepeated things from other sources that he felt were credible. An easy exampleis that his engine weight data in the book is incorrect. He wrote that an O-200weighs 188 pounds, without really noting that this is the base weight, itactually is about 50 pounds heavier. Anyone with a scale could tell this, butTony didn't test stuff like that. If anyone used 188 in a W&B calculation to makea motor mount, they had a rude surprise awaiting them at the scales.Tony also is not shy about making comments about props that revealed he never testedthem. Warp Drive has made more than 50,000 props, yet the book says Groundadjustable props for light planes are not common. His comments on prop efficiencyare old wives tales he is repeating as facts, even though Rutan and Wittmanhad long proved higher rpm works, 10 years before Tony wrote the book as'fact.' Comments like "Keep your prop as long as possible as long as possible"don't actually teach anyone anything. Tony's math on tip speed works, only ifyou are sitting still. If you would like to see the real formula for Tip speed,it is in many less celebrated books, including my manual. Tony didn't knowwhat vector addition is, but that didn't stop him from dolling out advice onprops.His comments on batteries are no longer valid today. Odyssey and interstate dominatethe market now, people don't put Gills in home builts anymore. I just watcheda 2.1 pound Li battery that cost $122 start a 180Hp Lycoming the other day.That is 19.9 pounds lighter than the Gill that Tony recommends. In the bookhe states that NiCad batteries and Gell Cells don't work. He knows nothing ofAGM batteries. He is stuck in the 1970s, and every new thing to him was ominous.Tony has drawings of fuel systems that endlessly show aluminum had lines in thecockpit rigidly plumbed, even though it is now accepted that this is a seriousdesign mistake in many installations and the root cause of many fatal post crashfires. They have stuff in auto fuel these days that will harm many of theitems he recommends in fuel systems.Flat out, no one should but Tony's work ahead of the current manufactures recommendationson a product, but they do all the time. I have seen people ignore thefactory design on a Zenith 650 for canopy attachment and use an inappropriatedesign from Tony's books, because it was "Better." Keep in mind that a CH-650'shave had fatal accidents from loss of control after people opened the canopy.Sound like a good plane to do canopy innovation on?Tony's details on items like control cables are very good, and 50% of the stuffin the books is still valid. Problem is if you are a new guy, which half is it?I could dissect the book page by page, but perhaps it is just more usefulto tell people not to blindly follow 26 year old advice from a dead guy who neverworked on the airframe engine combination you are building. Mike, no one has written more than me about stupid people offering poor advice on the net and in person. Get a look at: http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/08/a-visi ... ne-asylum/ for specific advice on how to avoid these people. My point is Tony's work was dated when he wrote it, and he went past what he understood and cast negative opinions on things that he was unwilling to test nor even read about the tests of others. That isn't what Experimentals are about. They are about being willing to learn. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mike,Perhaps the reason why Tony Bingelis gets high marks in your book is because whatyou were looking for just happened to be his strength, namely information onsimple plans built plane with a Continental engine. Some people see this astraditional EAA, all the way back to the modern mechanics Baby ace that startedthe EAA in 1953.However, some of us think of the EAA as a place to innovate and develop expandedideas. Not necessarily complex ones, I myself are more interested in ones thatgive working people more access to flight, getting the out of the spectatorseats and into the workshop.Right in front of me is Bingelis's 1988 book firewall forward. A great resourceif you happen to be building a plane like yours. However, I can make a prettygood claim that the book is otherwise dated, and he barely disguises his antiinnovation bias, often with hints that it is dangerous or foolhardy. Look in the first few pages and see that Bingelis is anti-liquid cooling, predictingthey will not be a significant number of non-type certified engines ever.Explain how that accounts for Rotax 912s? His Comments on other non traditionalengines are equally off the mark. I am not a VW guy, But there is almost nothingin his comments on them that is still valid. Bingelis's book includes thecomment that car engine "Invariably require a radiator", in the photo is BHPpersonal Corvair powered Aircamper, no radiator.Tony was not big on testing things, and his data reflects that he often blindlyrepeated things from other sources that he felt were credible. An easy exampleis that his engine weight data in the book is incorrect. He wrote that an O-200weighs 188 pounds, without really noting that this is the base weight, itactually is about 50 pounds heavier. Anyone with a scale could tell this, butTony didn't test stuff like that. If anyone used 188 in a W&B calculation to makea motor mount, they had a rude surprise awaiting them at the scales.Tony also is not shy about making comments about props that revealed he never testedthem. Warp Drive has made more than 50,000 props, yet the book says Groundadjustable props for light planes are not common. His comments on prop efficiencyare old wives tales he is repeating as facts, even though Rutan and Wittmanhad long proved higher rpm works, 10 years before Tony wrote the book as'fact.' Comments like "Keep your prop as long as possible as long as possible"don't actually teach anyone anything. Tony's math on tip speed works, only ifyou are sitting still. If you would like to see the real formula for Tip speed,it is in many less celebrated books, including my manual. Tony didn't knowwhat vector addition is, but that didn't stop him from dolling out advice onprops.His comments on batteries are no longer valid today. Odyssey and interstate dominatethe market now, people don't put Gills in home builts anymore. I just watcheda 2.1 pound Li battery that cost $122 start a 180Hp Lycoming the other day.That is 19.9 pounds lighter than the Gill that Tony recommends. In the bookhe states that NiCad batteries and Gell Cells don't work. He knows nothing ofAGM batteries. He is stuck in the 1970s, and every new thing to him was ominous.Tony has drawings of fuel systems that endlessly show aluminum had lines in thecockpit rigidly plumbed, even though it is now accepted that this is a seriousdesign mistake in many installations and the root cause of many fatal post crashfires. They have stuff in auto fuel these days that will harm many of theitems he recommends in fuel systems.Flat out, no one should but Tony's work ahead of the current manufactures recommendationson a product, but they do all the time. I have seen people ignore thefactory design on a Zenith 650 for canopy attachment and use an inappropriatedesign from Tony's books, because it was "Better." Keep in mind that a CH-650'shave had fatal accidents from loss of control after people opened the canopy.Sound like a good plane to do canopy innovation on?Tony's details on items like control cables are very good, and 50% of the stuffin the books is still valid. Problem is if you are a new guy, which half is it?I could dissect the book page by page, but perhaps it is just more usefulto tell people not to blindly follow 26 year old advice from a dead guy who neverworked on the airframe engine combination you are building. Mike, no one has written more than me about stupid people offering poor advice on the net and in person. Get a look at: http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/08/a-visi ... ne-asylum/ for specific advice on how to avoid these people. My point is Tony's work was dated when he wrote it, and he went past what he understood and cast negative opinions on things that he was unwilling to test nor even read about the tests of others. That isn't what Experimentals are about. They are about being willing to learn. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood>>> Let us know how the shipping works out.>> I bought some .040 3003 aluminum locally to use for my leading edge wrap.(Its heavier than I wanted, but was 50 a sheet for 12'x4ft..). I bought asheet of 8x4ft for 40 just to have it for other stuff, like maybe mycowling bumps, the mounting brackets for the windshield, that sort of thing.>> Think wood probably would work better. Only reason for going aluminum wasthat my top wing was already wrapped with it and didn't want to pay a lotof shipping.>> Jim>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood>>> Let us know how the shipping works out.>> I bought some .040 3003 aluminum locally to use for my leading edge wrap.(Its heavier than I wanted, but was 50 a sheet for 12'x4ft..). I bought asheet of 8x4ft for 40 just to have it for other stuff, like maybe mycowling bumps, the mounting brackets for the windshield, that sort of thing.>> Think wood probably would work better. Only reason for going aluminum wasthat my top wing was already wrapped with it and didn't want to pay a lotof shipping.>> Jim>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: rim width
Original Posted By: "G. Robert Stetson"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: rim width>>> Hey,>> Building my third set of wheels for this bugger, and Buchannans wants to> know what width rim I want to use. I am going with 21" modern alloy> motorcycle rims, and sounds like there are a few options. Does anyone> remember the width of theirs?>> Douwe>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:21:03 -0400
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: rim width>>> Hey,>> Building my third set of wheels for this bugger, and Buchannans wants to> know what width rim I want to use. I am going with 21" modern alloy> motorcycle rims, and sounds like there are a few options. Does anyone> remember the width of theirs?>> Douwe>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:21:03 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: 4130 tubing laying around
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > Builders=2C> > Six months ago I was sent a very nice hat from EAA HQ=2C one of the new ones with the traditional logo. It was something of an olive branch=2C as I had worked as a staff writer for many years=2C but later became an outsider during the 'corporate shift'. When I saw the hat's tag said "Made in China." I sent it back with a note that I would not wear it=2C and they should not send things like this to EAA members like Pietenpol builder Roger White.> > There are some good photos of Brodhead and Oshkosh 201o at this link:> > http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.html> > About half way down you can see Roger's picture=2C and he is wearing a hat with a Combat infantryman's Badge. Something he earned at great cost=2C fighting Chinese in Korea. In my note to HQ I explained that Roger may be subjected to China products at Walmart=2C because it is a corporation=2C but the EAA is allegedly a membership association=2C not driven by profit=2C and we can have US made hats for men like Roger.> > If you would like to know how to go from being on the EAA publications masthead for four years to being persona non grata=2C easy: All you have to do is write a stream of stories like this one=2C which points out how much of the US light aviation industry is already owned by the Chinese:> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/23/commun ... t-oshkosh/> > When the message is "These are our new friends=2C" Writing stories about the EAA's president getting caught by 60 minutes with a fake engineering degree=2C makes one a pariah. I wrote the story below after the C-162 failed=2C pointing out that the EAA president Jack Pelton=2C Mr. fake degree=2C was the guy who plotted exporting the project to China. The story was widely circulated=2C and yes=2C I even heard from the EAA's person who runs the 'China Pavilion' at Oshkosh=2C explaining how much better things would be I just saw it their way. Sadly=2C they are not really worried about me starting a revolt=2C as they know only 10-15% of the membership cares about "Made in USA."> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/23/cessna ... a-failure/> > -----------------------------------------> > Michael=2C I assume that your gas price was a typo=2C because gas was $1.56 in 1999=2C it has not been $.56 since well before you were born. I am 51 years old=2C and I have a strong feeling about keeping aviation affordable to working Americans like you. At it's very root=2C this was the driving force behind BHP life's work. He started this in the depression=2C when it was a lot harder=2C and I don't intend to drop the ball on my watch. We are not a country of spectators. > > >From the story above:> > "So=2C who will make America=99s light planes? You will=2C the > working American=2C just as you have always done. In 1946 Cessna went > from war production to making 30 C-120=B2s and C-140=B2s a day=2C without any issue at > all. The greedy corporate scum like Pelton had 6 years to tool up and they > couldn=99t hardly make 30 aircraft per year in China. The only important > difference is that the Cessna ownership in 1946 respected their workforce of > Americans=2C and 60 years later Pelton had all his faith in the best $2/hr Chinese > workers he could buy. Moving forward=2C it is clear that Cessna has now abandoned > the =9Caffordable=9D aircraft market. This makes no difference to any homebuilder. > In 1946=2C Cessna was something of a partner to American labor in producing that > generation of affordable American aircraft. Today=2C they have proven to be a > worthless element. Each of us=2C developing our own craftsmanship=2C will work in > our own one plane factory and produce our own aircraft. This is how American > labor will build this generation of affordable aircraft. We don=99t need cheap > labor in China=2C we don=99t need greedy CEO=99s and we don=99t need any membership > organization that is headed by a person who fails to understand this.-ww.> > --------------------------------------------> > Michael=2C when I was 32=2C I had just spent 5 years and my $70K life savings Embry-Riddle=2C had a 3.85 GPA=2C and he highest paying job in aviation I could find was $10/hr. My personal wealth was limited to my Piet project=2C 1=2C500 pounds of books and tools=2C a rusty 1967 Corvair=2C what I knew=2C and a handful of friends. From there I made progress=2C but I also made a series of foolish decisions that slowed my rate of climb=2C and one on 7/14/01 that came pretty close to costing my life. It is a safe assumption you are smarter than me=2C and trust me=2C no matter how bad things seem economically=2C you can build your plane. You loose only when you quit. Find other people who motivate you and focus of their positive perspective. > > You can see in the photos below that we live on a little airport=2C but we live pretty frugally. I have long known that I am happy when I am dreaming of and working on a project. Material goods beyond tools don't keep me happy. every decision I made to put my craft first=2C to invest in myself instead of consumer goods=2C was a step toward building=2C flying and happiness.> > If you read anything I write this year=2C make it the last 5 paragraphs of the story below:> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/09/09/sunday ... e-airport/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 461#420461> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 4130 tubing laying around
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > Builders=2C> > Six months ago I was sent a very nice hat from EAA HQ=2C one of the new ones with the traditional logo. It was something of an olive branch=2C as I had worked as a staff writer for many years=2C but later became an outsider during the 'corporate shift'. When I saw the hat's tag said "Made in China." I sent it back with a note that I would not wear it=2C and they should not send things like this to EAA members like Pietenpol builder Roger White.> > There are some good photos of Brodhead and Oshkosh 201o at this link:> > http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.html> > About half way down you can see Roger's picture=2C and he is wearing a hat with a Combat infantryman's Badge. Something he earned at great cost=2C fighting Chinese in Korea. In my note to HQ I explained that Roger may be subjected to China products at Walmart=2C because it is a corporation=2C but the EAA is allegedly a membership association=2C not driven by profit=2C and we can have US made hats for men like Roger.> > If you would like to know how to go from being on the EAA publications masthead for four years to being persona non grata=2C easy: All you have to do is write a stream of stories like this one=2C which points out how much of the US light aviation industry is already owned by the Chinese:> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/23/commun ... t-oshkosh/> > When the message is "These are our new friends=2C" Writing stories about the EAA's president getting caught by 60 minutes with a fake engineering degree=2C makes one a pariah. I wrote the story below after the C-162 failed=2C pointing out that the EAA president Jack Pelton=2C Mr. fake degree=2C was the guy who plotted exporting the project to China. The story was widely circulated=2C and yes=2C I even heard from the EAA's person who runs the 'China Pavilion' at Oshkosh=2C explaining how much better things would be I just saw it their way. Sadly=2C they are not really worried about me starting a revolt=2C as they know only 10-15% of the membership cares about "Made in USA."> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/23/cessna ... a-failure/> > -----------------------------------------> > Michael=2C I assume that your gas price was a typo=2C because gas was $1.56 in 1999=2C it has not been $.56 since well before you were born. I am 51 years old=2C and I have a strong feeling about keeping aviation affordable to working Americans like you. At it's very root=2C this was the driving force behind BHP life's work. He started this in the depression=2C when it was a lot harder=2C and I don't intend to drop the ball on my watch. We are not a country of spectators. > > >From the story above:> > "So=2C who will make America=99s light planes? You will=2C the > working American=2C just as you have always done. In 1946 Cessna went > from war production to making 30 C-120=B2s and C-140=B2s a day=2C without any issue at > all. The greedy corporate scum like Pelton had 6 years to tool up and they > couldn=99t hardly make 30 aircraft per year in China. The only important > difference is that the Cessna ownership in 1946 respected their workforce of > Americans=2C and 60 years later Pelton had all his faith in the best $2/hr Chinese > workers he could buy. Moving forward=2C it is clear that Cessna has now abandoned > the =9Caffordable=9D aircraft market. This makes no difference to any homebuilder. > In 1946=2C Cessna was something of a partner to American labor in producing that > generation of affordable American aircraft. Today=2C they have proven to be a > worthless element. Each of us=2C developing our own craftsmanship=2C will work in > our own one plane factory and produce our own aircraft. This is how American > labor will build this generation of affordable aircraft. We don=99t need cheap > labor in China=2C we don=99t need greedy CEO=99s and we don=99t need any membership > organization that is headed by a person who fails to understand this.-ww.> > --------------------------------------------> > Michael=2C when I was 32=2C I had just spent 5 years and my $70K life savings Embry-Riddle=2C had a 3.85 GPA=2C and he highest paying job in aviation I could find was $10/hr. My personal wealth was limited to my Piet project=2C 1=2C500 pounds of books and tools=2C a rusty 1967 Corvair=2C what I knew=2C and a handful of friends. From there I made progress=2C but I also made a series of foolish decisions that slowed my rate of climb=2C and one on 7/14/01 that came pretty close to costing my life. It is a safe assumption you are smarter than me=2C and trust me=2C no matter how bad things seem economically=2C you can build your plane. You loose only when you quit. Find other people who motivate you and focus of their positive perspective. > > You can see in the photos below that we live on a little airport=2C but we live pretty frugally. I have long known that I am happy when I am dreaming of and working on a project. Material goods beyond tools don't keep me happy. every decision I made to put my craft first=2C to invest in myself instead of consumer goods=2C was a step toward building=2C flying and happiness.> > If you read anything I write this year=2C make it the last 5 paragraphs of the story below:> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/09/09/sunday ... e-airport/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 461#420461> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 4130 tubing laying around