Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I glued mine. If I hadnt I would have needed five hands to hold it all togetherto drill the metal fittings.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:59:03 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat cushons
Pietenpol-List: Seat cushons
Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Make it like Scott Liefield's! It's like sitting in an easy chair!GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhone> On Apr 30, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Gentlemen, and Oscar, I have the old seat worn out and ugly seat cushions and may use them for my first flights.> > However, I have enough Pleather to have a new set made. I would appreciate your thoughts on:> Design, Just enough to go under my seat and back with some wiggle room. Should It be wider?> Cushion padding materiel (I am thinking firmer memory foam)> Thickness. What I have is VERY thin and barely . But I don't want to get too thick and push myself toward the instruments.> Shape. I am probably going to copy what I have, but do y'all have any modifications you suggest.> Attachments, The old ones have push snaps on some pads none on others. How about Velcro or simply tucking tabs in? Or is it needed at all? I hold it in from the back seat. > > Thanks in advance for the guidance.> -- > Blue Skies,> Steve D> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:52:38 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat cushons
Make it like Scott Liefield's! It's like sitting in an easy chair!GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhone> On Apr 30, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Gentlemen, and Oscar, I have the old seat worn out and ugly seat cushions and may use them for my first flights.> > However, I have enough Pleather to have a new set made. I would appreciate your thoughts on:> Design, Just enough to go under my seat and back with some wiggle room. Should It be wider?> Cushion padding materiel (I am thinking firmer memory foam)> Thickness. What I have is VERY thin and barely . But I don't want to get too thick and push myself toward the instruments.> Shape. I am probably going to copy what I have, but do y'all have any modifications you suggest.> Attachments, The old ones have push snaps on some pads none on others. How about Velcro or simply tucking tabs in? Or is it needed at all? I hold it in from the back seat. > > Thanks in advance for the guidance.> -- > Blue Skies,> Steve D> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:52:38 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat cushons
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Steve,Attached is a side view of mine. I assume you guys are talking about the pilotsseat. The top of my seat back cross member is moved two inches to the rear.That makes it a little reclined. The cushions I have are actually Cessna 150seat cushions. It may be tricky to do if you fuse is already built. We didthis modification to mine back in the 1980's. Like Gary said, it is very comfortable.The front seat lower cushion is that expensive triple layered/density foam about3 inches thick and the seat back is just a one inch single density foam. Theonly down side to the lower cushion is that it is as hard as a rock when itis cold out. When cold out I put it in my truck with the heater blowing on itduring pre-flight to soften it up. So, there you go. Maybe this helps.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Steve,Attached is a side view of mine. I assume you guys are talking about the pilotsseat. The top of my seat back cross member is moved two inches to the rear.That makes it a little reclined. The cushions I have are actually Cessna 150seat cushions. It may be tricky to do if you fuse is already built. We didthis modification to mine back in the 1980's. Like Gary said, it is very comfortable.The front seat lower cushion is that expensive triple layered/density foam about3 inches thick and the seat back is just a one inch single density foam. Theonly down side to the lower cushion is that it is as hard as a rock when itis cold out. When cold out I put it in my truck with the heater blowing on itduring pre-flight to soften it up. So, there you go. Maybe this helps.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Good second picture but the first "seat" picture sure looks like a tailwheel...!!LOTS of wonderful information in that fuselage side view - thanks...!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Good second picture but the first "seat" picture sure looks like a tailwheel...!!LOTS of wonderful information in that fuselage side view - thanks...!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Funny you commented about the tailwheel pic. Both of those pics were scanned togetherand are now one attachment. Consider it to be a bonus Pic. BTW, I changedout that tailwheel assembly because it made the plane handle like a Pittswhen landing. The new assembly makes it a pussy-cat to land now.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 11:09:51 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Funny you commented about the tailwheel pic. Both of those pics were scanned togetherand are now one attachment. Consider it to be a bonus Pic. BTW, I changedout that tailwheel assembly because it made the plane handle like a Pittswhen landing. The new assembly makes it a pussy-cat to land now.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 11:09:51 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Steve,Yes the cross wires are on the left side on my plane. We put a door in for thefront seat on the right side of the plane. The door is on the R/S to allow forno disruption of the throttle linkage on the L/S. Most Piets have the crosswires on the right hand side. There are also some Piets out there without anycross wires. My forward diagonal cabane supports are not very large in diameterand I feel better having the cross cables for the extra support in a suddenstop. If that makes any sense.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Steve,Yes the cross wires are on the left side on my plane. We put a door in for thefront seat on the right side of the plane. The door is on the R/S to allow forno disruption of the throttle linkage on the L/S. Most Piets have the crosswires on the right hand side. There are also some Piets out there without anycross wires. My forward diagonal cabane supports are not very large in diameterand I feel better having the cross cables for the extra support in a suddenstop. If that makes any sense.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Steve; the seat cushions and coverings in 41CC are minimalist; naugahyde over conventional"hobby store" foam (and not much of it), wrapped around the plywoodpieces and stapled on the back. I doubt if any of the foam was more than aninch thick when it was new. The seat back really doesn't matter, because I findmyself leaning forward in flight anyway, to get out of the slipstream. Theback does need padding, but I don't recline and I don't notice the seat backmuch anyway, so getting fancy wouldn't make a difference. The front seat issimilar.The main mission of this airplane can be captured and summarized by the in-flightvignettes on Mike Cuy's video. You preflight, launch, go enjoy the countrysideand the air and the view, then you let the airplane teach you some stickand rudder lessons as you get back in the pattern and shoot some landings. Afteryou put the airplane away and look back on your flight, comfort isn't oneof the main factors upon which you rate the experience you've just had.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Steve; the seat cushions and coverings in 41CC are minimalist; naugahyde over conventional"hobby store" foam (and not much of it), wrapped around the plywoodpieces and stapled on the back. I doubt if any of the foam was more than aninch thick when it was new. The seat back really doesn't matter, because I findmyself leaning forward in flight anyway, to get out of the slipstream. Theback does need padding, but I don't recline and I don't notice the seat backmuch anyway, so getting fancy wouldn't make a difference. The front seat issimilar.The main mission of this airplane can be captured and summarized by the in-flightvignettes on Mike Cuy's video. You preflight, launch, go enjoy the countrysideand the air and the view, then you let the airplane teach you some stickand rudder lessons as you get back in the pattern and shoot some landings. Afteryou put the airplane away and look back on your flight, comfort isn't oneof the main factors upon which you rate the experience you've just had.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
That begs the question: What does your current tailwheel assembly thatallows for pussy-cat landings? Photos please!--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 5/1/14, 10:39 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:>>>Funny you commented about the tailwheel pic. Both of those pics were>scanned together and are now one attachment. Consider it to be a bonus>Pic. BTW, I changed out that tailwheel assembly because it made the>plane handle like a Pitts when landing. The new assembly makes it a>pussy-cat to land now.>>-------->Scott Liefeld>Flying N11MS since March 1972>Steel Tube>C-85-12>Wire Wheels>Brodhead in 1996>>>Read this topic online here:>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
That begs the question: What does your current tailwheel assembly thatallows for pussy-cat landings? Photos please!--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 5/1/14, 10:39 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:>>>Funny you commented about the tailwheel pic. Both of those pics were>scanned together and are now one attachment. Consider it to be a bonus>Pic. BTW, I changed out that tailwheel assembly because it made the>plane handle like a Pitts when landing. The new assembly makes it a>pussy-cat to land now.>>-------->Scott Liefeld>Flying N11MS since March 1972>Steel Tube>C-85-12>Wire Wheels>Brodhead in 1996>>>Read this topic online here:>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Hi Jeff,The best place to find Pics will be on the westcoastpiet.com sight. Chris hasposted some pics on there. I ended up using a tail wheel fork from a vans RV-6.It was a gift and it doesn't swivel. The head of it is the same one in thepost above. the wheel is just a $25.00 home builders special. I don't haveany brakes on my plane so good steering is a must for me. You will notice thatI have a very large amount of slack in my steering cables. It goes againstmost all conventional thinking but works for me. I can actually turn the planearound under its own power between my hanger rows. It will pivot around onthe inside wheel.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Hi Jeff,The best place to find Pics will be on the westcoastpiet.com sight. Chris hasposted some pics on there. I ended up using a tail wheel fork from a vans RV-6.It was a gift and it doesn't swivel. The head of it is the same one in thepost above. the wheel is just a $25.00 home builders special. I don't haveany brakes on my plane so good steering is a must for me. You will notice thatI have a very large amount of slack in my steering cables. It goes againstmost all conventional thinking but works for me. I can actually turn the planearound under its own power between my hanger rows. It will pivot around onthe inside wheel.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Scott's Tail wheelhttp://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Li ... efeld.htmA few more pictures but no tail wheel shots. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_ ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Scott's Tail wheelhttp://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Li ... efeld.htmA few more pictures but no tail wheel shots. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_ ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Thanks Scott and Chris!--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 5/1/14, 4:03 PM, "Catdesigns" wrote:>>Scott's Tail wheel>>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Sco ... eld.htm>>A few more pictures but no tail wheel shots.>>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_ ... Sacramento, CA>WestCoastPiet.com>>>Read this topic online here:>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 21:03:23 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Thanks Scott and Chris!--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 5/1/14, 4:03 PM, "Catdesigns" wrote:>>Scott's Tail wheel>>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Sco ... eld.htm>>A few more pictures but no tail wheel shots.>>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_ ... Sacramento, CA>WestCoastPiet.com>>>Read this topic online here:>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 21:03:23 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Guess I wasted my time posting all those pictures of my windscreen on westcoastpiet.GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhone> On May 1, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Spent 1-1.5 hours looking for photos of seats. I saw maybe 4 or 5 seats, about a million photos of cockpits from just forward of the seat. Lots of photos of control systems, Instrument panels, coaming, etc. > > Of course when I was looking for photos of windscreens I could not find any detail photos. > > Guess I will read Uncle Tony, and look at the Flybaby site!> > Blue Skies,> Steve D> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:39:51 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Guess I wasted my time posting all those pictures of my windscreen on westcoastpiet.GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhone> On May 1, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Spent 1-1.5 hours looking for photos of seats. I saw maybe 4 or 5 seats, about a million photos of cockpits from just forward of the seat. Lots of photos of control systems, Instrument panels, coaming, etc. > > Of course when I was looking for photos of windscreens I could not find any detail photos. > > Guess I will read Uncle Tony, and look at the Flybaby site!> > Blue Skies,> Steve D> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:39:51 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat cushons
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: and for the record
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Tony [toh-nee]You're welcome.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 13:30:59 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: and for the record
Tony [toh-nee]You're welcome.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 13:30:59 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: and for the record
Pietenpol-List: Re: and for the record
Original Posted By: "Dennis Engelkenjohn"
bing-ELLIS, or binGELLIS is how I heard it pronounced by my brother, who met Tonyand visited his shop.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
bing-ELLIS, or binGELLIS is how I heard it pronounced by my brother, who met Tonyand visited his shop.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________