Original Posted By: "fastj22"
Thanks. JohnOn Jun 9, 2014, at 2:51 PM, BYD wrote:> > In my application I utilized the GAV (Gas Adjusting Valve) on the Zenith carburetorfor a choke (as is done in the automobile). I added a spring to keep theflapper-valve open during normal operation and I have a bit of hose cut tothe correct length and split down the side that I place on the exposed shaft ofthe GAV to keep the choke on (while priming) and then remove the hose beforemaking the ignition hot and place it on the outer shell of the throttle cablefor storage during operation. My routine is flour blades choked, four bladesmore to suck the juice up into the manifold, make it hot and start.> > The enclosed picture was taken before the mixture was set and the GAV shaft safetiedso it could not turn (or rotate).> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 557#424557> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/choke_spring_127.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
I am planning on being at Brodhead again this year airplane finished or not. I do wish the date wouldn't have moved earlier in july, but I will make allowances....I truly hope to fly but who knows.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I am planning on being at Brodhead again this year airplane finished or not. I do wish the date wouldn't have moved earlier in july, but I will make allowances....I truly hope to fly but who knows.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Bruce,Just curiousAre those the two questions that are keeping you from leaping in? If sowhy? BTW, the answer is =98Yes=99 & =98Yes=99.Gary BootheNX308MB
Bruce,Just curiousAre those the two questions that are keeping you from leaping in? If sowhy? BTW, the answer is =98Yes=99 & =98Yes=99.Gary BootheNX308MB
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
=9CThe Biplane=99s as dead as the dodo!=9DJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
=9CThe Biplane=99s as dead as the dodo!=9DJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
You're gonna have to do some research on other than solid routed spars. Aren'tplans for them for sale or available as a supplement per se. English Piet builders use a built up spar. I think they have to, so that's onegood place to start. A bunch of guys, myself included have used the small struts from Carlson with greatsuccess. A full set will run you under three fifty so they're a good deal.I built a set in a couple days, not really complicated. Quite a few herecan supply pics and details.Google Carlson aluminum aircraft struts for their site.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:42:31 +0000 (UTC)
You're gonna have to do some research on other than solid routed spars. Aren'tplans for them for sale or available as a supplement per se. English Piet builders use a built up spar. I think they have to, so that's onegood place to start. A bunch of guys, myself included have used the small struts from Carlson with greatsuccess. A full set will run you under three fifty so they're a good deal.I built a set in a couple days, not really complicated. Quite a few herecan supply pics and details.Google Carlson aluminum aircraft struts for their site.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:42:31 +0000 (UTC)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Original Posted By: goffelectric(at)comcast.net
A number of people have used built up spars, including Mike Cuy. And asTools said, a number of people are currently building with the Carlsonaluminum spars. But as cheap as they are, it can be even cheaper to use oldPiper lift struts. I found two sets of J-3 lift struts that had beenremoved due to rust in the lower ends. Since Pietenpol struts are about 2feet shorter than J-3 struts, you can cut off the lower end and get intoclean, rust free steel. Since those struts were considered un-airworthy forthe Cub, they were given to me. Can't beat that for low price.Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpeople. If possible,plan to come to Brodhead this summer to see as many different examples ofthe type as possible.Where are you located?Good luck,Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 03:03:06 +0000 (UTC)
A number of people have used built up spars, including Mike Cuy. And asTools said, a number of people are currently building with the Carlsonaluminum spars. But as cheap as they are, it can be even cheaper to use oldPiper lift struts. I found two sets of J-3 lift struts that had beenremoved due to rust in the lower ends. Since Pietenpol struts are about 2feet shorter than J-3 struts, you can cut off the lower end and get intoclean, rust free steel. Since those struts were considered un-airworthy forthe Cub, they were given to me. Can't beat that for low price.Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpeople. If possible,plan to come to Brodhead this summer to see as many different examples ofthe type as possible.Where are you located?Good luck,Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 03:03:06 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Original Posted By: Jack
Some thought on having a different aviation experience this year:.I have read almost all of the message traffic on the questions of the health andpopularity of the list, the newsletter and Brodhead. For my 2 cents, they areall cyclic and also in the eye of the beholder. All discussion groups have periodsof activity and inactivity, people contributing and others fading. I havefollowed 5 different newsletter editors, ones I like others didn't and viceversa, people want different things out of newsletters. 2014 was the first BrodheadI missed in 13 years. All of them were good, but the years that were astand out to me were often not special to others. What makes it treasured to peopleis different..Perception is personal reality, but not always reality. I travel extensively andspend a lot of time immersed in grass roots aviation. The sky isn't falling,I can make a case for the reverse. The worst editor in chief the EAA has everhad is out the door shortly; Kit sales are strong; fuel is very cheap. Yet ifyou listen to negative people all day, or spend time with them at the airport,you will likely come to share their negativity..If you want 2015 to be different, you only need to make it so by doing things differently for you. This is the subject of this story: http://flycorvair.net/2015/01/02/2015-y ... -aviation/ . What to do? If you don't like negative posts, don't read them. I used to watch 2 hours of TV news a day, and incredibly, my world view has gotten a lot more optimistic having not turned on a TV in years. Internet works the same way. Upset over the lack of newsletters? Easy, call Doc and Dee and buy some back issues you missed way back and read them while John gets the train back on track. Either he will or wont, but the news letter will be back in some form again. No matter what anyone says, quality printed material is popular in flying circles. Take the word of a guy who had 442,000 page reads on his site in 2014 but still earns a living selling paper books to aviators..Here is the big one: If Brodhead has a little less call than before, take a yearoff; instead decide that you are going to make and keep 3 new personal friendsin Piet building this year instead of nurturing a field of acquaintances andpeople you know only as a name on the net. Plan 3 trips to other builders shopsand offer to spend a weekend assisting them. Head to a College and meet otherPiet builders, and specifically get to know them. I personally get a lot moreout of time spent with a few people in person rater than people I know ofat a "Face Book" level. If you don't like your 2014, then don't wait to see if2015 will be different, make it different. Spend time with positive people, learnor make things with them, and make more progress on your plane and buildingand flying skills. Don't be a spectator in your own life-year..>From my perspective, Pietenpols had a very good year in 2014, but I don't yardstickit off the most negative post on the net from "braniff66" nor the newsletter,of reports of the social fun at Brodhead. My measure of activity was this:At the four Colleges in 2014, about 1/3 of the builders were Piet people, andmaybe two dozen of the running engines that came to life are destined for Piets.To me that looks like dozens of people who are in love with an 85 year oldplane enough to learn a whole new engine, spend time and money , not 'fixingit up', but instead zero timing it, and traveling long distances to do thisin the company of positive people, in an intense immersion experience. .Many of the people who experienced this are regulars on this list, and just don't talk about it a lot here. Chuck Cambell , Terry Hand, Mark Chouinard , the Jamesons, Jerry Parker, John Francis ,Keith Goff and many others all got their engines running at Colleges. If you were there at the moment all of the learning and work these men had invested in their own future in aviation, things would seem pretty positive. Nothing is winding down from my point of view. Want a different perspective? Read this: http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/18/pieten ... ollege-31/. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Some thought on having a different aviation experience this year:.I have read almost all of the message traffic on the questions of the health andpopularity of the list, the newsletter and Brodhead. For my 2 cents, they areall cyclic and also in the eye of the beholder. All discussion groups have periodsof activity and inactivity, people contributing and others fading. I havefollowed 5 different newsletter editors, ones I like others didn't and viceversa, people want different things out of newsletters. 2014 was the first BrodheadI missed in 13 years. All of them were good, but the years that were astand out to me were often not special to others. What makes it treasured to peopleis different..Perception is personal reality, but not always reality. I travel extensively andspend a lot of time immersed in grass roots aviation. The sky isn't falling,I can make a case for the reverse. The worst editor in chief the EAA has everhad is out the door shortly; Kit sales are strong; fuel is very cheap. Yet ifyou listen to negative people all day, or spend time with them at the airport,you will likely come to share their negativity..If you want 2015 to be different, you only need to make it so by doing things differently for you. This is the subject of this story: http://flycorvair.net/2015/01/02/2015-y ... -aviation/ . What to do? If you don't like negative posts, don't read them. I used to watch 2 hours of TV news a day, and incredibly, my world view has gotten a lot more optimistic having not turned on a TV in years. Internet works the same way. Upset over the lack of newsletters? Easy, call Doc and Dee and buy some back issues you missed way back and read them while John gets the train back on track. Either he will or wont, but the news letter will be back in some form again. No matter what anyone says, quality printed material is popular in flying circles. Take the word of a guy who had 442,000 page reads on his site in 2014 but still earns a living selling paper books to aviators..Here is the big one: If Brodhead has a little less call than before, take a yearoff; instead decide that you are going to make and keep 3 new personal friendsin Piet building this year instead of nurturing a field of acquaintances andpeople you know only as a name on the net. Plan 3 trips to other builders shopsand offer to spend a weekend assisting them. Head to a College and meet otherPiet builders, and specifically get to know them. I personally get a lot moreout of time spent with a few people in person rater than people I know ofat a "Face Book" level. If you don't like your 2014, then don't wait to see if2015 will be different, make it different. Spend time with positive people, learnor make things with them, and make more progress on your plane and buildingand flying skills. Don't be a spectator in your own life-year..>From my perspective, Pietenpols had a very good year in 2014, but I don't yardstickit off the most negative post on the net from "braniff66" nor the newsletter,of reports of the social fun at Brodhead. My measure of activity was this:At the four Colleges in 2014, about 1/3 of the builders were Piet people, andmaybe two dozen of the running engines that came to life are destined for Piets.To me that looks like dozens of people who are in love with an 85 year oldplane enough to learn a whole new engine, spend time and money , not 'fixingit up', but instead zero timing it, and traveling long distances to do thisin the company of positive people, in an intense immersion experience. .Many of the people who experienced this are regulars on this list, and just don't talk about it a lot here. Chuck Cambell , Terry Hand, Mark Chouinard , the Jamesons, Jerry Parker, John Francis ,Keith Goff and many others all got their engines running at Colleges. If you were there at the moment all of the learning and work these men had invested in their own future in aviation, things would seem pretty positive. Nothing is winding down from my point of view. Want a different perspective? Read this: http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/18/pieten ... ollege-31/. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Re: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Original Posted By: "Andre B. Charvet"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New builder questions
Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Original Posted By: "tools"
Mike,When I built my spars I used your suggestion but used 3/4" spar material and used T88 to attach 1/8 X 1" strips of plywood to the edges. It was a lot of gluing but seemed to work well...so far. Hope it does not fall out of the sky! Your method of using 1/2" spar material and 1/4" X 1" strips would be a little lighter, I guess. But on a single place PIET, I'm not too worried about weight.Not sure I would ever cross the Sierras AND the Rockies in my Sky Scout to attend Brodhead because I could not offer rides!Thanks, Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> > After talking with Frank Pavliga (red and cream colored Piet, Sky Gypsy), who is a Registered Architecht and has been around> airplanes and specifically Pietenpols for many, many years he suggested building up my spars like you see in the attached photo,> the top method as to avoid the arduous task of routing out the spars to save weight. (T-88 used exclusively in all wood joints in my airplane)> > If I were to build another set of spars again I would use the bottom method.> > Mike C.> Ohio> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Mike,When I built my spars I used your suggestion but used 3/4" spar material and used T88 to attach 1/8 X 1" strips of plywood to the edges. It was a lot of gluing but seemed to work well...so far. Hope it does not fall out of the sky! Your method of using 1/2" spar material and 1/4" X 1" strips would be a little lighter, I guess. But on a single place PIET, I'm not too worried about weight.Not sure I would ever cross the Sierras AND the Rockies in my Sky Scout to attend Brodhead because I could not offer rides!Thanks, Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> > After talking with Frank Pavliga (red and cream colored Piet, Sky Gypsy), who is a Registered Architecht and has been around> airplanes and specifically Pietenpols for many, many years he suggested building up my spars like you see in the attached photo,> the top method as to avoid the arduous task of routing out the spars to save weight. (T-88 used exclusively in all wood joints in my airplane)> > If I were to build another set of spars again I would use the bottom method.> > Mike C.> Ohio> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
I was thinking more along the lines of a box spar or something. Merely laminatingup to the plans spar is no big deal, and has been done even more. If a goodglue joint, glue up however you like, it'll be fine. You can even scarf shorterpieces together effectively. Though not legally required, if you adhere to standard repair practice, you'lldefinitely be alright. The original spars in my chief, much to my surprise, are composed of probably twentypieces or more... Each! Being "factory" the scarf joints don't even needscarf plates and are legal... Sort of attesting to the 43.13 assuming mechanicsdon't really know how to glue up or fit joints well I guess. Not sure aboutthe reasoning behind that...Mccormicks lumber in Madison sells 5/4 spruce. With accurate resawing, you canmake a set of spars with VERY little waste by gluing up off a 1/2 core piece.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I was thinking more along the lines of a box spar or something. Merely laminatingup to the plans spar is no big deal, and has been done even more. If a goodglue joint, glue up however you like, it'll be fine. You can even scarf shorterpieces together effectively. Though not legally required, if you adhere to standard repair practice, you'lldefinitely be alright. The original spars in my chief, much to my surprise, are composed of probably twentypieces or more... Each! Being "factory" the scarf joints don't even needscarf plates and are legal... Sort of attesting to the 43.13 assuming mechanicsdon't really know how to glue up or fit joints well I guess. Not sure aboutthe reasoning behind that...Mccormicks lumber in Madison sells 5/4 spruce. With accurate resawing, you canmake a set of spars with VERY little waste by gluing up off a 1/2 core piece.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Original Posted By: cjborsuk
Chuck,Love the flag in your shop.Good for you.Michael---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Original Message-----
Chuck,Love the flag in your shop.Good for you.Michael---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: ToolStock 2014
Original Posted By: "tools"
Had a great time last year. Looking forward to 2015BarryL-R Gardiner Mason (Pietenpol) - Harold Johnson (Big Piet) - Barry Davis(Big Piet) - Frank Metcalfe (Big Piet)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ToolStock 2014
Had a great time last year. Looking forward to 2015BarryL-R Gardiner Mason (Pietenpol) - Harold Johnson (Big Piet) - Barry Davis(Big Piet) - Frank Metcalfe (Big Piet)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ToolStock 2014
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New builder questions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Looks great Chuck, mine are very similar. Although they take more work itwas an enjoyable part of the build...Jack TextorWest Des Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
Looks great Chuck, mine are very similar. Although they take more work itwas an enjoyable part of the build...Jack TextorWest Des Moines, IA-----Original Message-----