Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My "caustic remark"

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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Steve,I had a bent horn on the rudder. I removed it, welded another piece alongside (about =C2=BE as long), and bolted it back in; patched up the fabric and paint and no one knows but me!Gary BootheNX308MB

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Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Douwe let me explain myself, I might put too much emphasis on compliments. WhenI give a compliment it comes from the heart. Too many people brag on things oftenwant something in return. The only thing I wanted was to tell you how goodyour plane looks. I have many questions about building this plane and everypicture helps answers some of them. I wish there were more pictures of tubingfuselages on here. Sorry for all the ruckus I stirred up, I felt it was somethingI had to get out.--------Building steel fuselage aircamper.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an airfoilshape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat stock,could be the reason they are bending?WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:21:05 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Steve,Why not just make a new one? Those horns are actually pretty easy to make and are fun to do.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
SteveJack P took the words right out of my mouth. Go ahead and build a new one. That will be one less think to think about when you are flying on a clear summer day in really bumpy air.BarryNX973BP

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they arebending?Mine was built per plans.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
The phantom knows!Sent from my iPad> On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > Steve,> > I had a bent horn on the rudder. I removed it, welded another piece alongside (about =C2=BE as long), and bolted it back in; patched up the fabric and paint and no one knows but me!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
41CC has no latches and the flop does not seem to move at all, in any flight regime.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: Claude Corbett
Gentlemen (and Steve);One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repair ... -----Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: Jack
It's a real good feeling to see someone enjoy an airplane as much as you, especiallync41cc.Be careful and keep flyingCorkySent from my iPad> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:13 AM, taildrags wrote:> > > Gentlemen (and Steve);> > One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/rudder.html> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 891#437891> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Claude Corbett
This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just fromexcessive inputs, or something else.Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on Chuck Gantzersprogress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up with him andput him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of Piet questions.Jon in Missouri--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thanks for the reply Jon. It's nice to be remembered CorkySent from my iPad> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:59 AM, wheelharp wrote:> > > This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just fromexcessive inputs, or something else.> > Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on ChuckGantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up with him andput him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of Piet questions.> > Jon in Missouri> > --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 921#437921> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mine bent because I had changed the direction of the cable, by adding 1 morepulley, so that the cable was pulling downward, too. In the repair, Iadjusted the angle of the rudder horn to be in line with the cable.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
There's an ugly rumor that Dick Navrotil (and Skip, Jim, Art, Ben, myself and afew others) will be building a couple of Sky Scout wings at the woodworking area.If true, this will be the second year in a row that we HAVEN'T built a Pietenpolfuselage. Have to do one next year just to stay in practice. Stop by, introduce yourself, and lend a hand.Dave AldrichRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will bethereBarryNX973BP-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Nor will I ever fly my Pietenpol to SNF again, for the same reason.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Gary;So many lessons to learn from your video! Thanks for sharing it. For one thing,that was absolutely brilliant thinking about pulling smoke as soon as you thoughtyou might not be noticed by the other guy. Even though you were almostout of smoke oil, anything you can do to make your plane stand out in the patternis worth trying and you did it instantly, reflexively. Great thinking!The other thing was initiating a go-around as soon as things got topsy-turvy onshort final in the 210's wake. I would have white-knuckled it on down, but youdid the right thing and without any noticeable hesitation. No scraped wingtips,no bent gear, no harm done... just a saved landing, followed by a greaseron the go-around. Good piloting judgment.I was trying to figure out just how long your takeoff roll was, but can't see allthe runway markings from the video. You push in full power just about wherethe threshold markings end, you pass the numbers, and you're off before youget to the fixed distance marks so your takeoff roll looks to be 400-500 feet.You did mention a headwind, but still... that's great and I'm sure it wasn'ta maximum effort takeoff.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Mine bent because I was trailering the fuselage with the tail first and a big 18-wheelerpassed me up and kicked the rudder over hard. It broke the plywoodstrips that I was using as gust locks and when the rudder kicked over, the cablethat was in tension jerked the horn downwards pretty hard, kind of like Gary'sdid.If you plan on doing tail-slides in your Piet with your feet off the rudder bar,you may want to beef up the horn ;o) Honestly, the horns as designed, if properlyfabricated, are pretty elegant in their simplicity, strength, and lightweight.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks, Oscar! I thought about panicking...maybe next time! :-)Don't know what others are in the habit of doing, but I have been leavingthe tail down on T/O and just letting her rise up when ready...when I'malone. With a heavy passenger, it seems much more controllable to get thetail up, pick up speed and pull off when I feel it's right. That way thereis none of that mushing around for the first few seconds, at gross weight.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: Tony Crawford
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015

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Original Posted By: Jack
The workshops are real close to the main entrance. There should be a map on the website. Lots of people camp, it just depends on how long you are staying. Rates for camping are on the website too. Sent from my iPhone> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Tony Crawford wrote:> > HI, Having never been to SNF, could someone give me an location where these workshops are? I am not asking for step by step directions, just a general idea of once I get there where do I go. Thank You! Also any recommendations about places to stay while there.> > Tony> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Andre B. Charvet wrote:l.com>>> >> There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at SNF. I flew mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off my bucket list I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John Hoffman said in an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.>> Ben Charvet>> Titusville,Fl>> >> tonyp51qa wrote:>> >>> >Hello All,>> >I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.>> >>> >Tony>> >>> >tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com>> >>> >-------->> >Tony Crawford>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >Read this topic online here:>> >>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 914#437914>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ==========>> br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> FORUMS ->> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> b Site ->> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
To Jerry and Keith and any other "Lefties",I am about as left handed as they get. I was the kid that wrote back hand in classand got pencil lead all down the side of my left hand. But all Lefties knowthat we are the only ones in our "right minds"!FWIW, the first almost 20 years of flying was done either in tandem seat militarytrainers, helicopters or in the right seat of commercial jets as the FirstOfficer. I actually found that flying with my right hand was easier, as it allowedme to do things like write down clearances or notes on my kneeboard withmy left hand while flying with my right. Those poor "righties" would have to swapto their non-flying hand to write anything down.The last 15 years have been flying from the left seat (I fly every trip with myfavorite Captain!) I worried a little bit about the transition when I startedto check out as a Captain. The retraining of muscle memory took all of aboutan hour. It was not that hard. I plan on putting the throttle on the left as that is how the tandem seat aircraftI have flown or any single seat aircraft that I have ever seen have been setup that way.My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:20:03 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas

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Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Putting the throttle on the right will be a theft deterrent to many pilots. Having a car with a manual transmission is a theft deterrent in today's society. Blue Skies, Steve DHeck, Steve =93 having a tailwheel and an engine that must be hand-propped is enough of a theft deterrent to most of today=99s pilotsJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, VirginiaWhere it is 57 degrees, but with winds at 26 knots gusting to 35. No flying today!________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I'm so glad you saw that bonehead cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran intohis wake turbulence.To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and wiz-bang glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored unless youhave some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing catches a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the pattern seeyou.I completely use my smoke system (when I'm not using my Icom handheld) to announce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other airports.It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sense of hope that I'm more visible.They don't teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I have gotten VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL prices andsuch little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everything ended well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent.Mike C.OhioHe was probably "Watching TV" on a glass panel. I've noticed that the more complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus pilots think they should be banned from flying because they don't have transponders and don't show up on their TCAS. I respond that unless IMC prevails, all glass panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:16:14 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system

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Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015

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Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015

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Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Here's an old thread about Piets on floats:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 29fd90Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:31:22 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Steve I am building the Muk Tuk floats. They are current technology. I looked at the Flying Glider manual and thought about it for a couple of seconds, but that was that.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----