Original Posted By: "Mike King"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Max... Try B&B Aircraft SuppliesP.O. Box 37202 South CenterGardner KS 66030(913) 884-5930 ph(913) 884-6533They aren't close, but are the most reasonable I have found for aircraft hardware and excellent service. If you can wait until the Alliance Fly-in/AirShow...or the SWRFI in New Braunfels....they will have a booth there.Terry Bowdenph (254) 715-4773fax (254) 853-3805________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Chris,You are so right. I bought a bunch of parts from them formy GN-1. It is only five minutes from my Dallas office andthey are the best folks to deal with. VERY reasonable.Thanks for supplying the info Chris. I had their name andnumber at my Addison office and could not post it earlier.Give em a call guys.Mike KingGN-1Dallas, Texas-----Original Message-----
Chris,You are so right. I bought a bunch of parts from them formy GN-1. It is only five minutes from my Dallas office andthey are the best folks to deal with. VERY reasonable.Thanks for supplying the info Chris. I had their name andnumber at my Addison office and could not post it earlier.Give em a call guys.Mike KingGN-1Dallas, Texas-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Mike Whaley"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:12:07 PM Central Standard Time, bobka(at)compuserve.com writes:> Mike King> > It is Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637 > 3598. They have everything. I mean everything.> > Chris Bobka> Thanks everyone for helping, Mike I will call Aircraft Supply Co. tomorrow first thing;Max Arlington, TX.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:12:07 PM Central Standard Time, bobka(at)compuserve.com writes:> Mike King> > It is Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637 > 3598. They have everything. I mean everything.> > Chris Bobka> Thanks everyone for helping, Mike I will call Aircraft Supply Co. tomorrow first thing;Max Arlington, TX.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/27/04 6:45:44 PM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd(at)aol.com writes:>Max,You're givin' me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! All the hardware should be aircraft grade. The main difference is that aircraft grade bolts have rolled threads, and if it is painted with a translucent color, it has been through NDI(Non Destructive Test). What are these bolts for ?Max, I'm still trying to come up with a way to e-mail you the method I use to tie the ends of the bunji chords, too.Gene R. made a good point about pictures & stuff. You guys with high speed DSL go zipping along like a LanceAir. Us folks with dial up go putt putt putting along like a Pietenpol in a 30 kt headwind.Chuck GantzerNX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/27/04 6:45:44 PM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd(at)aol.com writes:>Max,You're givin' me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! All the hardware should be aircraft grade. The main difference is that aircraft grade bolts have rolled threads, and if it is painted with a translucent color, it has been through NDI(Non Destructive Test). What are these bolts for ?Max, I'm still trying to come up with a way to e-mail you the method I use to tie the ends of the bunji chords, too.Gene R. made a good point about pictures & stuff. You guys with high speed DSL go zipping along like a LanceAir. Us folks with dial up go putt putt putting along like a Pietenpol in a 30 kt headwind.Chuck GantzerNX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/27/2004 10:18:17 PM Central Standard Time, Rcaprd(at)aol.com writes:> Max,> You're givin' me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! All the hardware should be > aircraft > grade. The main difference is that aircraft grade bolts have rolled > threads, and if it is painted with a translucent color, it has been through > NDI (Non > Destructive Test). What are these bolts for ?Chuck:I was wondering how long it would be before the Hiebie Jiebie Emails would start rolling in. I'm also very concerned about safety. These bolts are whatholds the control sticks to the torque tube. Dad used the wrong size ID tubing(to build the bushing/tube inside the torque tube at the stick pivot point) for a bolt to fit in and it rattles a little. A 1/4" bolt is too small and ifhe bores it out, to a 5/16"? The bushing that's welded inside the torque tube will be paper thin. I don't think the treads in this application are going tobe an issue. I will use aircraft bolts, even here, if I can find a 7mm with a shank instead of threaded all the way up.The alternative, according to my builder (Dad), is to rebuild the entire control system. I can't see it, so I kinda have to take his word on it for now.We have several week to address the problem, I just like to resolve things ASAP.I appreciate your concerns and constructive criticisms, please let me know if you think this is still a safety issue.Thanks in advance,Max________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/27/2004 10:18:17 PM Central Standard Time, Rcaprd(at)aol.com writes:> Max,> You're givin' me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! All the hardware should be > aircraft > grade. The main difference is that aircraft grade bolts have rolled > threads, and if it is painted with a translucent color, it has been through > NDI (Non > Destructive Test). What are these bolts for ?Chuck:I was wondering how long it would be before the Hiebie Jiebie Emails would start rolling in. I'm also very concerned about safety. These bolts are whatholds the control sticks to the torque tube. Dad used the wrong size ID tubing(to build the bushing/tube inside the torque tube at the stick pivot point) for a bolt to fit in and it rattles a little. A 1/4" bolt is too small and ifhe bores it out, to a 5/16"? The bushing that's welded inside the torque tube will be paper thin. I don't think the treads in this application are going tobe an issue. I will use aircraft bolts, even here, if I can find a 7mm with a shank instead of threaded all the way up.The alternative, according to my builder (Dad), is to rebuild the entire control system. I can't see it, so I kinda have to take his word on it for now.We have several week to address the problem, I just like to resolve things ASAP.I appreciate your concerns and constructive criticisms, please let me know if you think this is still a safety issue.Thanks in advance,Max________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/28/04 8:15:27 AM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd(at)aol.com writes:>Max,Doug Bryant did the same thing when he built the controls for my plane. Flew it that way for about 15 or 20 hours, and couldn't feel the slack at all during flight. About 80 hours ago, I used a piece of brass shim stock rolled ina tube shape, with the 1/4" bolt, to take up the slack. Grease both sides of the shim. This application is in shear, so it's important to have the shank all the way through the bushing, and use a caslte nut / cotter pin, because youdon't really tighten up the nut. I carefully check it on every pre-flight. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)In a message dated 1/28/04 8:15:27 AM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd(at)aol.com writes:>Max,Doug Bryant did the same thing when he built the controls for my plane. Flew it that way for about 15 or 20 hours, and couldn't feel the slack at all during flight. About 80 hours ago, I used a piece of brass shim stock rolled ina tube shape, with the 1/4" bolt, to take up the slack. Grease both sides of the shim. This application is in shear, so it's important to have the shank all the way through the bushing, and use a caslte nut / cotter pin, because youdon't really tighten up the nut. I carefully check it on every pre-flight. Chuck G. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Andimaxd(at)aol.com
Best way to resolve the problem is buy a bolt that fits and run a static test onit to prove it is stronger than needed by the standard safety margin for thelocation. You will need to calculate the highest load the bolt will ever see(pretty easy, just find the part that will break first in its load path) anddouble it just to be safe. Test load the bolt to the double load and you knowthe weak link will fail LONG before the bolt. I am a FIRM believer in usingaircraft grade hardware but it is just silly to rebuild the whole control systemwhen the load the bolt will see in the WORST case is probably 10% of its yieldstrength. We don't use certified wood, engines, paint, fuel, props or eventhe design. Safety can come from proper design and testing just as well asfrom a "certified part" bin. If you show proper analysis of the load and a testof the part to show it is up to the task the FAA won't give you a problem.THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN GO AROUND PUTTING IN HARDWARE STORE BOLTS WHEREVERYOU WANT!! (Yes I know I'm yelling) But in this case a little analysis and testingwould be a lot easier than rebuilding the whole control system.Hank (Don't forget to corrosion treat the bolt) J ----- Original Message -----
Best way to resolve the problem is buy a bolt that fits and run a static test onit to prove it is stronger than needed by the standard safety margin for thelocation. You will need to calculate the highest load the bolt will ever see(pretty easy, just find the part that will break first in its load path) anddouble it just to be safe. Test load the bolt to the double load and you knowthe weak link will fail LONG before the bolt. I am a FIRM believer in usingaircraft grade hardware but it is just silly to rebuild the whole control systemwhen the load the bolt will see in the WORST case is probably 10% of its yieldstrength. We don't use certified wood, engines, paint, fuel, props or eventhe design. Safety can come from proper design and testing just as well asfrom a "certified part" bin. If you show proper analysis of the load and a testof the part to show it is up to the task the FAA won't give you a problem.THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN GO AROUND PUTTING IN HARDWARE STORE BOLTS WHEREVERYOU WANT!! (Yes I know I'm yelling) But in this case a little analysis and testingwould be a lot easier than rebuilding the whole control system.Hank (Don't forget to corrosion treat the bolt) J ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "hjarrett"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hank and Chuck:I found a 7mm bolt with a 40mm shank at Metric and Multistandard in Irving today. It is an 8.8 which is apparently equivalent to a grade 5 American bolt.Your average hardware bolt is about a grade 2. I think this will be more than adequate for this application. Hank, for curiosity more than anything else,I will take your suggestion/advise and rig up a test. Chuck, a castle nut would probably be a good idea. We were planning on using a lock nut, but a cotter pin sounds good.Mike and ChrisThanks for the info on Aircraft Supply Co., I will make an effort to get by there and visit with them sometime. They do not have everything; I called themfirst thing this morning and was informed they don't have metric. I told him Mike King said they had everything. I mean everything, haha. They are very nice however and referred me to Metric & Multistandard. I sincerely appreciate your help and concern for my safety. Thanks again guys,Max________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hank and Chuck:I found a 7mm bolt with a 40mm shank at Metric and Multistandard in Irving today. It is an 8.8 which is apparently equivalent to a grade 5 American bolt.Your average hardware bolt is about a grade 2. I think this will be more than adequate for this application. Hank, for curiosity more than anything else,I will take your suggestion/advise and rig up a test. Chuck, a castle nut would probably be a good idea. We were planning on using a lock nut, but a cotter pin sounds good.Mike and ChrisThanks for the info on Aircraft Supply Co., I will make an effort to get by there and visit with them sometime. They do not have everything; I called themfirst thing this morning and was informed they don't have metric. I told him Mike King said they had everything. I mean everything, haha. They are very nice however and referred me to Metric & Multistandard. I sincerely appreciate your help and concern for my safety. Thanks again guys,Max________________________________________________________________________________
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That sounds even easier than the bolt test method. I would pull the bolt atleast every annual and re-lube and inspect.Hank J----- Original Message -----
That sounds even easier than the bolt test method. I would pull the bolt atleast every annual and re-lube and inspect.Hank J----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Michael D Cuy"
Thanks to all who gave advise about the wheels. I've noticed from variousPiet photos that where the metal bracket (that attaches a wooden landinggear to the fuse) - some have two bolts and some four bolts. The plans(which are for a metal gear) show a bolt going through the bottom of one ofthe struts, just above where it is glued to the bottom longeron. So....I'mwondering if I should bolt through the struts, or through the wedges thatare in between the struts or both. Perhaps it doesn't make any differencesince the wood is just the stuff between two steel plates. I don't know.Dave Paulsen - Missouri----- Original Message -----
Thanks to all who gave advise about the wheels. I've noticed from variousPiet photos that where the metal bracket (that attaches a wooden landinggear to the fuse) - some have two bolts and some four bolts. The plans(which are for a metal gear) show a bolt going through the bottom of one ofthe struts, just above where it is glued to the bottom longeron. So....I'mwondering if I should bolt through the struts, or through the wedges thatare in between the struts or both. Perhaps it doesn't make any differencesince the wood is just the stuff between two steel plates. I don't know.Dave Paulsen - Missouri----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Andimaxd(at)aol.com
We have a bolt manufacturing plant here in the area. Name is Whitesell Fastners,Inc. number is 256-381-9410 might give them a call and see if they couldbe of help to you.Alex SloanFlorence, Alabama ----- Original Message -----
We have a bolt manufacturing plant here in the area. Name is Whitesell Fastners,Inc. number is 256-381-9410 might give them a call and see if they couldbe of help to you.Alex SloanFlorence, Alabama ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: (no subject)In a message dated 2/19/2005 1:21:05 PM Central Standard Time, JimNikls writes:-52 UAV Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real turbines! Check out the movie link below. Could be a UAV contender?
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Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)congratulations Gene on your purchase,and glad to hear you had agood trip home. this is Randy Bush ,I'm the one Jack was telling you about with the pietunder construction near Lexington TN,I'm between Lexington and Jackson at exit 93 law rd.off I-40 youre welcome to stop in any time,just give me a call I'm usually around on weekends 731 267 0578________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)congratulations Gene on your purchase,and glad to hear you had agood trip home. this is Randy Bush ,I'm the one Jack was telling you about with the pietunder construction near Lexington TN,I'm between Lexington and Jackson at exit 93 law rd.off I-40 youre welcome to stop in any time,just give me a call I'm usually around on weekends 731 267 0578________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hi Rob, we met last year at brodhead ,Ithink it was while we were looking at Jack's plane just after he and Mike got there,by the way Mike no apology needed.see you guys at brodhead. Robert (Randy) Bush________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hi Rob, we met last year at brodhead ,Ithink it was while we were looking at Jack's plane just after he and Mike got there,by the way Mike no apology needed.see you guys at brodhead. Robert (Randy) Bush________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Would one of you please tell me how to unscribe from this list? ThanksClara Hicks Hixplace(at)aol.com________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Would one of you please tell me how to unscribe from this list? ThanksClara Hicks Hixplace(at)aol.com________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Waytogopiet(at)aol.com
Clara,Go to http://www.matronics.com/subscriptionOnce there you will find an area where you can unscribe from this list.Good LuckGene ----- Original Message -----
Clara,Go to http://www.matronics.com/subscriptionOnce there you will find an area where you can unscribe from this list.Good LuckGene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: spoke holes
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Hi Dan,I think the 1.85 was width. I called the guy at Buchanan's and he gave me all the sizing info. I wanted to go wider than 1.85 and he said to stick with 1.85" for the wheels I wanted. I still wish I had gone wider but I figure that's his business so I had better listen! He was very helpful. I told him what I was using it for and described the Ken Perkins hubs. He filled in all the blanks for me. And yes, the tires are about 3" wide. And with air, they are almost exactly 26" tall.Jim in Pryor, OK ----- Original Message -----
Hi Dan,I think the 1.85 was width. I called the guy at Buchanan's and he gave me all the sizing info. I wanted to go wider than 1.85 and he said to stick with 1.85" for the wheels I wanted. I still wish I had gone wider but I figure that's his business so I had better listen! He was very helpful. I told him what I was using it for and described the Ken Perkins hubs. He filled in all the blanks for me. And yes, the tires are about 3" wide. And with air, they are almost exactly 26" tall.Jim in Pryor, OK ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Skip-Cinda Gadd"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)I just purchased someone elses pietenpol project. It was on E-bay if you noticed. For the last few months I have read your emails with interest.The ribs have been made, the fuselage is mostly done and covered,it is the short fuselage, cabine struts are done, tail feathers are complete and covered. It has the motor mount for a corvair and a 1964 corvair 110 HP motor with prop hub mounted.It looks like it will be a good project for me for awhile.Jack Phillips ,if you want to fly down to Wilmington NC, Pilots Ridge airport(03NC) and share your knowledge you are more than welcome.Ted StoneStepping down from an A-23 Beech Musketeer and worrying about being able to past the physical every year with the FAA nightmare you have to go thru as a diabetic.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)I just purchased someone elses pietenpol project. It was on E-bay if you noticed. For the last few months I have read your emails with interest.The ribs have been made, the fuselage is mostly done and covered,it is the short fuselage, cabine struts are done, tail feathers are complete and covered. It has the motor mount for a corvair and a 1964 corvair 110 HP motor with prop hub mounted.It looks like it will be a good project for me for awhile.Jack Phillips ,if you want to fly down to Wilmington NC, Pilots Ridge airport(03NC) and share your knowledge you are more than welcome.Ted StoneStepping down from an A-23 Beech Musketeer and worrying about being able to past the physical every year with the FAA nightmare you have to go thru as a diabetic.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
TedYou do have it wrong. You have stepped up to a Pietenpol.How many times have people streamed out of an FBO to look at your Musketeer? Do they ask to have their picture taken with you next to your Musketeer? Corporate pilots come over out of the Lears and Falcons to look. I have had these things happen almost every time I go to a new field.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
TedYou do have it wrong. You have stepped up to a Pietenpol.How many times have people streamed out of an FBO to look at your Musketeer? Do they ask to have their picture taken with you next to your Musketeer? Corporate pilots come over out of the Lears and Falcons to look. I have had these things happen almost every time I go to a new field.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending Flat Steel - fittings
Original Posted By: John Egan
John, Try taking a look at Jim's Bench-top Brake pictures on my website. http://westcoastpiet.com/bench-top_bender.htm I made one of these and it works great. You may want to make it several inches longer then your bench vise. My vice is 6" and I think I will have to make a brake that is about 9" to make the fittings your talking about. This way, the second 90 degree bend can be made without hitting the vice.Chris TracySacramento, Cawww.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message -----
John, Try taking a look at Jim's Bench-top Brake pictures on my website. http://westcoastpiet.com/bench-top_bender.htm I made one of these and it works great. You may want to make it several inches longer then your bench vise. My vice is 6" and I think I will have to make a brake that is about 9" to make the fittings your talking about. This way, the second 90 degree bend can be made without hitting the vice.Chris TracySacramento, Cawww.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
C'mon guys, not a single response to my question about the lower strut fittings???? Maybe I should have thrown in a question about how to make wire wheels, THAT is always good for about three weeks worth of comments.Surely someone can help me out here!Gene________________________________________________________________________________
C'mon guys, not a single response to my question about the lower strut fittings???? Maybe I should have thrown in a question about how to make wire wheels, THAT is always good for about three weeks worth of comments.Surely someone can help me out here!Gene________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Hi Gene,The fuselage truss members, ash cross members and lower strut fittings should all meet at a common location.Consider the drawings mere "suggestions".......Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Hi Gene,The fuselage truss members, ash cross members and lower strut fittings should all meet at a common location.Consider the drawings mere "suggestions".......Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "walt evans"
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Original Posted By: gcardinal
The side trusses do meet at a common location, 28 3/4 on both fuselages. The difference is in the placement of the ash pieces on the '33 fuselage (which the F&G fuselage does not have) which dictates the placement of the gear/strut fitting.My question boils down to . . . is it important that the wing struts be parallel?? Are they on most of your airplanes???I would think that anyone who has built a '33 fuselage (I can't speak to the later plans) would have noticed that the lower fittings are closer together than the wing spars (i.e. the upper fittings) and dealt with it, either by correcting it or leaving it as is. Which is it??Thanks for any help . . Gene ----- Original Message -----
The side trusses do meet at a common location, 28 3/4 on both fuselages. The difference is in the placement of the ash pieces on the '33 fuselage (which the F&G fuselage does not have) which dictates the placement of the gear/strut fitting.My question boils down to . . . is it important that the wing struts be parallel?? Are they on most of your airplanes???I would think that anyone who has built a '33 fuselage (I can't speak to the later plans) would have noticed that the lower fittings are closer together than the wing spars (i.e. the upper fittings) and dealt with it, either by correcting it or leaving it as is. Which is it??Thanks for any help . . Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: walt evans
Walt, whether you have the other plans, are your struts parallel?Gene ----- Original Message -----
Walt, whether you have the other plans, are your struts parallel?Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Radiator placement question, etc
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
I have always been rather partial to this set up. http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/ ... =19michael silviusscarborough, maine________________________________________________________________________________
I have always been rather partial to this set up. http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/ ... =19michael silviusscarborough, maine________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Gene,I just ran into the very same problem. I was in a quandry with it for the longest time. I finally decided to just go with what was there and have my struts be a little out of parallel. I don't think anybody can detect it whenit is finished. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Gene,I just ran into the very same problem. I was in a quandry with it for the longest time. I finally decided to just go with what was there and have my struts be a little out of parallel. I don't think anybody can detect it whenit is finished. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Thanks, Dan, that is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Now, is this the consensus or have other people noticed it and dealt with it differently?Gene ----- Original Message -----
Thanks, Dan, that is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Now, is this the consensus or have other people noticed it and dealt with it differently?Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "walt evans"
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Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Gene, from a safety stand point I would have to guess that, given the age of the design, there as just as many Pietenpols flying with the struts build as design as there are ones where people change it. Both seem to have work, as no one seems to be falling from the sky. So if you don't like it change it, but I don't think you need to.Walt is right about non-parallel struts changing the geometry when moving the wing back (to get the GC correct). But this may be a moot point if everything else is just slightly out of perfect, like on my plane. Also, the vertical struts are two different heights which might throw you out of alignment as well. I think the important part is to have the lower fittings line up with a cluster so it can distribute the loads to the fuselage.I'm trying to get my tailwheel finished this week so I can start on my Jenny gear too.Chris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
Gene, from a safety stand point I would have to guess that, given the age of the design, there as just as many Pietenpols flying with the struts build as design as there are ones where people change it. Both seem to have work, as no one seems to be falling from the sky. So if you don't like it change it, but I don't think you need to.Walt is right about non-parallel struts changing the geometry when moving the wing back (to get the GC correct). But this may be a moot point if everything else is just slightly out of perfect, like on my plane. Also, the vertical struts are two different heights which might throw you out of alignment as well. I think the important part is to have the lower fittings line up with a cluster so it can distribute the loads to the fuselage.I'm trying to get my tailwheel finished this week so I can start on my Jenny gear too.Chris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Carl Vought"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)I went through Mena in August and picked up a partially completed short Piet from Charles Sizemore who lives outside Mena ( guess less than 15 mi) on the OK line.side on highway 8. Got the fuselage on gear,on tailskid, 28 ribs, 2 sets of tail feathers, one set covered, plus a 64 corvair motor with prop hubinstalled and motor mount, cabine struts and wing struts for $2300 Charles is an a&p at an airport around there that refurbishes airplanes in the light air line class. Wish I had known there was a project going on in Mena and I would have loved to drop by for a look see.Ted Stone________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)I went through Mena in August and picked up a partially completed short Piet from Charles Sizemore who lives outside Mena ( guess less than 15 mi) on the OK line.side on highway 8. Got the fuselage on gear,on tailskid, 28 ribs, 2 sets of tail feathers, one set covered, plus a 64 corvair motor with prop hubinstalled and motor mount, cabine struts and wing struts for $2300 Charles is an a&p at an airport around there that refurbishes airplanes in the light air line class. Wish I had known there was a project going on in Mena and I would have loved to drop by for a look see.Ted Stone________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
You would have been welcomed, sorry we didn't connect.I knew a guy over at Big Cedar OK who had a piet project but didn't realize there was another one this close to me, Ronnie ----- Original Message -----
You would have been welcomed, sorry we didn't connect.I knew a guy over at Big Cedar OK who had a piet project but didn't realize there was another one this close to me, Ronnie ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Skip-Cinda Gadd"
Can anyone give me contact info on the guys who come to Brodhead every year who sell the Pietenpol pedal planes?Gene________________________________________________________________________________
Can anyone give me contact info on the guys who come to Brodhead every year who sell the Pietenpol pedal planes?Gene________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gene Beenenga
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Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Pieters,Am involved in a nasty job. Cleaning a fuel tank coated with fuel varnish. Anyone who could offer a suggestion to make this job a bit easier but still thorough I would appreciate hearing fromCorky( Aeronca Defender Tank)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:21:53 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Pieters,Am involved in a nasty job. Cleaning a fuel tank coated with fuel varnish. Anyone who could offer a suggestion to make this job a bit easier but still thorough I would appreciate hearing fromCorky( Aeronca Defender Tank)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:21:53 -0400
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Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Corky,Give "Brake Parts Cleaner" a try. Wal-Mart brand (Super Tech) is some of the best I've used and it's only about a buck twenty-five a can. I've tried some from other auto stores without much luck. I just used some to clean all the grease and gunk from my engine and while doing so it also took all the paint off. Repainting has been a breeze. I've never tried it on fuel varnish but I don't see why it wouldn't work well. Gene Still looking for a camshaft and a crush ring for my A65.----- Original Message -----
Corky,Give "Brake Parts Cleaner" a try. Wal-Mart brand (Super Tech) is some of the best I've used and it's only about a buck twenty-five a can. I've tried some from other auto stores without much luck. I just used some to clean all the grease and gunk from my engine and while doing so it also took all the paint off. Repainting has been a breeze. I've never tried it on fuel varnish but I don't see why it wouldn't work well. Gene Still looking for a camshaft and a crush ring for my A65.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Corky, When people started using ethanol it plugged fuel filters in older cars. Probably was the varnish. ken in corn growing Iowa________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Corky, When people started using ethanol it plugged fuel filters in older cars. Probably was the varnish. ken in corn growing Iowa________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Ken,Or it could have been the carb parts and hose that were destroyed by the alcohol.Gene----- Original Message -----
Ken,Or it could have been the carb parts and hose that were destroyed by the alcohol.Gene----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
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Original Posted By: "Scott Schreiber"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)thanks Peter just talked to William Wynne and he recommends the same thing Robert Bush************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)thanks Peter just talked to William Wynne and he recommends the same thing Robert Bush************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions,
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size?And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions,and a $10 cap strip steamerDate: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:03:31 -0400
I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size?And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions,and a $10 cap strip steamerDate: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:03:31 -0400
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Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hi Gene, I'm done with everything except paint, all I have to do is decide on a color and get it ordered.As far as Walter goes he has not done a lot on the RV,he just got through going thru the hirth on his challenger. and this weekendwe worked on the annual on our c150,you should take some time and drop by for a visit. Robert Bush************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hi Gene, I'm done with everything except paint, all I have to do is decide on a color and get it ordered.As far as Walter goes he has not done a lot on the RV,he just got through going thru the hirth on his challenger. and this weekendwe worked on the annual on our c150,you should take some time and drop by for a visit. Robert Bush************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Alan Lyscars"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hi gang, I'll be driving from Broadhead to O'Hare on Saturday for a 9:10 pm departure. Anyone need ground transport to O'Hare Saturday night is welcome to ride along.Looking forward to meeting with you allSee you then John Recine************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30t ... __________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hi gang, I'll be driving from Broadhead to O'Hare on Saturday for a 9:10 pm departure. Anyone need ground transport to O'Hare Saturday night is welcome to ride along.Looking forward to meeting with you allSee you then John Recine************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30t ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Allan Macklem"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hey Shad, glad to hear you and Gary had some good luck for a change. enjoy your flying! I am shooting the primer on mine this weekend and looking forward to the day I can finally say it fly's. NX294RB Robert Bushhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hey Shad, glad to hear you and Gary had some good luck for a change. enjoy your flying! I am shooting the primer on mine this weekend and looking forward to the day I can finally say it fly's. NX294RB Robert Bushhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?
Original Posted By: "Patrick Panzera"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?I really dislike getting on the me too band wagon, however. I dropped my membership some time ago because the national organization didn't offer me anything I considered useful. I joined the local chapter when I started my buildand once again became quickly disenchanted. It appears to be a social organization of people that like to do the fly in circuit, take buss trips andhold picnics. All that's great, but I couldn't find a builder in the group, I haven't attended many meetings but the ones I have attended always centered around fundraiser's and social trips and tours and little if anything said aboutbuilding. I would love to find a chapter in Central Pennsylvania that has builders, more importantly would be a Piet expert or mentor who can answer questions andmake recommendations while visiting my project.I have nothing against do that on this board, its just a bit easier to explain, show and have full discussion when you're face to face with another builder. I suppose that's one of the main reasons I visit builders anytime I amtraveling. I want to see , discuss and learn all I can about Piet building I want mine to be the best Piet I can build and I want it to stand as such.My apologies for the rant, I really wish there were an organization made up of builders! even better would be Piet builders with a phone number you could call for help when you needed it or have some one come out and inspect your project at important stages to insure the bird you build although you own is going to be well build and safe to fly.Sorry for the rant, it just gets a little frustrating. No one on the red board builds and few on POA actually build and I haven't been on the EAA site tosee if anyone builds there. It amazes me that after purchasing the entire set of build books by Tony Bengalis from the EAA book store that they would try to get me to join. Not even! Until now, its possible they just didn't care about expanding membership, cultivating the builder network. I hope to see a change for the better.Johnhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?I really dislike getting on the me too band wagon, however. I dropped my membership some time ago because the national organization didn't offer me anything I considered useful. I joined the local chapter when I started my buildand once again became quickly disenchanted. It appears to be a social organization of people that like to do the fly in circuit, take buss trips andhold picnics. All that's great, but I couldn't find a builder in the group, I haven't attended many meetings but the ones I have attended always centered around fundraiser's and social trips and tours and little if anything said aboutbuilding. I would love to find a chapter in Central Pennsylvania that has builders, more importantly would be a Piet expert or mentor who can answer questions andmake recommendations while visiting my project.I have nothing against do that on this board, its just a bit easier to explain, show and have full discussion when you're face to face with another builder. I suppose that's one of the main reasons I visit builders anytime I amtraveling. I want to see , discuss and learn all I can about Piet building I want mine to be the best Piet I can build and I want it to stand as such.My apologies for the rant, I really wish there were an organization made up of builders! even better would be Piet builders with a phone number you could call for help when you needed it or have some one come out and inspect your project at important stages to insure the bird you build although you own is going to be well build and safe to fly.Sorry for the rant, it just gets a little frustrating. No one on the red board builds and few on POA actually build and I haven't been on the EAA site tosee if anyone builds there. It amazes me that after purchasing the entire set of build books by Tony Bengalis from the EAA book store that they would try to get me to join. Not even! Until now, its possible they just didn't care about expanding membership, cultivating the builder network. I hope to see a change for the better.Johnhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
This was just posted to the Rotary aviation forum at:http://www.flyrotary.com/ by Mr. Ernest Christley, and may be of interest toEAArs disappointed with the current state of the organization.Michael Silvius============================Following the lead of a fellow member of the Dyke Delta Yahoo group,Bernie, I sent the editors at EAA an email explaining why I was notrenewing my membership. It looks like Bernie and I either spoke tosoon, or our actions are finally having the intended effect. I'll notargue the point either way, but I got some news through the grapevinethis weekend that is very encouraging concerning the EAA.The editor of Sport Aviation has been fired.Now, I hate to see anyone lose their job, but here is how I understandthe situation. The guy took a job editing what should be an intenselyhardcore aviation publication, and he didn't have so much as a PP-SEL.It appears that he had no interest in flying airplanes, and even less inbuilding one. He was in the wrong place. That's sad; both for him andthe EAA membership. Over the past year, EAA membership dropped 20%.Sport Aviation content was cited most often as the reason. That is sad;both for him and the membership. He is being replaced. I wish him luckin finding a position better suited for him, but the bigger issue forEAA members (past and present) is why he was replaced.The board of directors saw the 20% drop in membership and started askingwhy. Have you seen the makeup of the board? Sport Aviation printed thenominees for the next year a couple months back. There weren't but acouple that had ever worked on an airplane, and I believe only onenominee that had ever built anything. The rest were bean counters andmanagement types, with a couple academics thrown in. While beancounters and management types are both necessary and useful, I think itwouldn't be that hard to find a few that had built at least one airplaneand would know what is wrong with the EAA's focus. Instead, they, beingbean counters and management types, do what bean counters and managementtypes do. They look at spreadsheets and charts and try to draw apicture of reality from the summarization. Spreadsheets and chartsleave out a lot of data and twist reality all to easily. Until themembership started dropping, they assumed everything was hunky-dory, andall the talk about losing focus was just background noise. Now themoaning has risen to a roar. Members are leaving.So, we've punched them in the nose to get their attention. It is timefor a come to Jesus meeting where we calmly and clearly explain what theproblem is. If you've left the EAA without an explanation, please senda quick email to editorial(at)eaa.org and state why you left. Just a fewpolite lines so that they will know. If you're considering not renewingyour membership, let them know that. If you've tried to make your voiceheard before, but feel you were rebuked, please try again. I believethe microphone is turned your way now. If you know someone who istrying to fix the EAA from the inside, please mention their efforts sothat the board will have insiders to turn to for advise.It's not often that an organization as large as the EAA will see one infive members drop out in a single year. This is an historic opportunityto set thing straight. The people in charge will be paying attentionlike never before. It may be that the editor will just be a scapegoat,and it will be back to business as usual in a few months. I think itmore likely that the board is genuinely concerned, but they just don'tunderstand. If we speak up and the situation is the former, then we cansay, "We told you so" next year when the membership drops another 20%.If the situation is the latter then speaking up now will help draw backthe 20% that left and insure that they stay.It is my opinion that the problem with the EAA is that the leadershiphas forgotten why we are building airplanes. It is NOT, by any means,simply to have an airplane. The analysis has been done all over theplace, and everyone agrees it would be more economical and less laborintensive to get a second job, buy an airplane now, and be in the airimmediately. *WE* as builders know that. We're not stupid...DANG-IT!The reason we build airplanes is....get this....PRIDE!Plane (har-har) and simple. We want to say, "I built that." We want tocompare our workmanship to the guy on the next row, and marvel at thesimplicity/uniqueness/complexity/workmanship of the guy on the next.The more bolt-on, manufactured goods are added, the less pride isinvolved. The more the leadership has forgotten that PRIDE is thedriving force and been lured astray by advertising dollars frommanufactured goods, the more they've eaten away at the heart of theorganization. Now, I've got nothing against manufactured goods, ortheir advertising. There are some parts of my project that I just hadno interest in making, wheel hubs, for example, so I chose to buy thoseoff the shelf. The problem is that I often get the feeling from the EAAorganization that my project is lessened by it not being a kit, or by memaking my own strobes or marker lights. If I'm building out of pride,and you look down your nose at me for building...well, that's just apunch in the gut, and I don't really care to be around you. You can'tgo around punching your members and expect them to keep coming back.Ernest Christley________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:48:47 -0400
This was just posted to the Rotary aviation forum at:http://www.flyrotary.com/ by Mr. Ernest Christley, and may be of interest toEAArs disappointed with the current state of the organization.Michael Silvius============================Following the lead of a fellow member of the Dyke Delta Yahoo group,Bernie, I sent the editors at EAA an email explaining why I was notrenewing my membership. It looks like Bernie and I either spoke tosoon, or our actions are finally having the intended effect. I'll notargue the point either way, but I got some news through the grapevinethis weekend that is very encouraging concerning the EAA.The editor of Sport Aviation has been fired.Now, I hate to see anyone lose their job, but here is how I understandthe situation. The guy took a job editing what should be an intenselyhardcore aviation publication, and he didn't have so much as a PP-SEL.It appears that he had no interest in flying airplanes, and even less inbuilding one. He was in the wrong place. That's sad; both for him andthe EAA membership. Over the past year, EAA membership dropped 20%.Sport Aviation content was cited most often as the reason. That is sad;both for him and the membership. He is being replaced. I wish him luckin finding a position better suited for him, but the bigger issue forEAA members (past and present) is why he was replaced.The board of directors saw the 20% drop in membership and started askingwhy. Have you seen the makeup of the board? Sport Aviation printed thenominees for the next year a couple months back. There weren't but acouple that had ever worked on an airplane, and I believe only onenominee that had ever built anything. The rest were bean counters andmanagement types, with a couple academics thrown in. While beancounters and management types are both necessary and useful, I think itwouldn't be that hard to find a few that had built at least one airplaneand would know what is wrong with the EAA's focus. Instead, they, beingbean counters and management types, do what bean counters and managementtypes do. They look at spreadsheets and charts and try to draw apicture of reality from the summarization. Spreadsheets and chartsleave out a lot of data and twist reality all to easily. Until themembership started dropping, they assumed everything was hunky-dory, andall the talk about losing focus was just background noise. Now themoaning has risen to a roar. Members are leaving.So, we've punched them in the nose to get their attention. It is timefor a come to Jesus meeting where we calmly and clearly explain what theproblem is. If you've left the EAA without an explanation, please senda quick email to editorial(at)eaa.org and state why you left. Just a fewpolite lines so that they will know. If you're considering not renewingyour membership, let them know that. If you've tried to make your voiceheard before, but feel you were rebuked, please try again. I believethe microphone is turned your way now. If you know someone who istrying to fix the EAA from the inside, please mention their efforts sothat the board will have insiders to turn to for advise.It's not often that an organization as large as the EAA will see one infive members drop out in a single year. This is an historic opportunityto set thing straight. The people in charge will be paying attentionlike never before. It may be that the editor will just be a scapegoat,and it will be back to business as usual in a few months. I think itmore likely that the board is genuinely concerned, but they just don'tunderstand. If we speak up and the situation is the former, then we cansay, "We told you so" next year when the membership drops another 20%.If the situation is the latter then speaking up now will help draw backthe 20% that left and insure that they stay.It is my opinion that the problem with the EAA is that the leadershiphas forgotten why we are building airplanes. It is NOT, by any means,simply to have an airplane. The analysis has been done all over theplace, and everyone agrees it would be more economical and less laborintensive to get a second job, buy an airplane now, and be in the airimmediately. *WE* as builders know that. We're not stupid...DANG-IT!The reason we build airplanes is....get this....PRIDE!Plane (har-har) and simple. We want to say, "I built that." We want tocompare our workmanship to the guy on the next row, and marvel at thesimplicity/uniqueness/complexity/workmanship of the guy on the next.The more bolt-on, manufactured goods are added, the less pride isinvolved. The more the leadership has forgotten that PRIDE is thedriving force and been lured astray by advertising dollars frommanufactured goods, the more they've eaten away at the heart of theorganization. Now, I've got nothing against manufactured goods, ortheir advertising. There are some parts of my project that I just hadno interest in making, wheel hubs, for example, so I chose to buy thoseoff the shelf. The problem is that I often get the feeling from the EAAorganization that my project is lessened by it not being a kit, or by memaking my own strobes or marker lights. If I'm building out of pride,and you look down your nose at me for building...well, that's just apunch in the gut, and I don't really care to be around you. You can'tgo around punching your members and expect them to keep coming back.Ernest Christley________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:48:47 -0400
FW: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?
Original Posted By: "Terry Hall"
> In my opinion, Sport Aviation has not been very good since Jack Cox> retired as editor.Jack Cox is still producing a high quality aviation magazine.http://sportsmanpilot.com/Additionally, if you want hard-core experimental aviation, you should checkout www.ContactMagazine.com Click on the link to back issues then look forissue #72 for a free download of an older (but highly representative)version of the magazine. Everyone interested in experimental aviation should subscribe to BOTH ofthese fine magazines; you Piet builders and/or flyers (or wannabe's like me)should ALL subscribe to Doc Mosher's Pietenpol newsletter!www.pietenpols.org In fact, you as a Piet builder, flyer and/or wannabeshould be ASHAMED if you are not a subscriber and supporter of Doc's work. BUT!!! You should also belong to organizations such as EAA and AOPA for thepolitical things we can do in numbers that we can't do as individuals. EAAis not about magazines; that's only a small part of the benefits ofbelonging. Pat________________________________________________________________________________
> In my opinion, Sport Aviation has not been very good since Jack Cox> retired as editor.Jack Cox is still producing a high quality aviation magazine.http://sportsmanpilot.com/Additionally, if you want hard-core experimental aviation, you should checkout www.ContactMagazine.com Click on the link to back issues then look forissue #72 for a free download of an older (but highly representative)version of the magazine. Everyone interested in experimental aviation should subscribe to BOTH ofthese fine magazines; you Piet builders and/or flyers (or wannabe's like me)should ALL subscribe to Doc Mosher's Pietenpol newsletter!www.pietenpols.org In fact, you as a Piet builder, flyer and/or wannabeshould be ASHAMED if you are not a subscriber and supporter of Doc's work. BUT!!! You should also belong to organizations such as EAA and AOPA for thepolitical things we can do in numbers that we can't do as individuals. EAAis not about magazines; that's only a small part of the benefits ofbelonging. Pat________________________________________________________________________________