Pietenpol-List: (no subject)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 19, 1998 1:44 pm

Original Posted By: Peter P Frantz
Is THIS the plane youre all talking about?http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/tiff/tailwind.gifRichard> Anyone hear of an allwood Tailwind? About 6 year ago at a fly in> at> Creston, Iowa I saw one. Even the control stick was wood! It was> powered by an 90 horse Cont. It should have really scooted. The two> guys on board must have weighed at least 500 lbs.. and take off> perfomance on a hot July day was great. Orville E. Lanham-------------------------------------------------Homepage: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder_________ ... ol.comSent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 4:36 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)I understand that there is information re:Petenpol Aircampers from your org.Am in the process of building one and need input--E mail Bud at this address--thanks!________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 19, 1998 5:35 pm

Original Posted By: rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta)
I understand that there is information re:Petenpol Aircampers from your org.Am in the process of building one and need input--E mail Bud at this address--thanks!________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Dec 05, 1998 5:08 am

Original Posted By: Eli or Robert or Teresa Bozeman
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon May 17, 1999 3:59 am

Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
Is it alright to download the images from the library and save them forfuture ref?Beautiful photos, guys.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon May 17, 1999 8:38 am

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Doug,Thanks for the article on the Nieuport Corvair. Very Interesting.Domenic________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed May 19, 1999 10:55 pm

Original Posted By: Graham Hansen
John,Does your aeroplane have brakes?DannyMac________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue May 25, 1999 1:40 pm

Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Jun 05, 1999 10:13 am

Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Dear Richard, I guess you've read by now that I decided NOT to build a Piet.Maybe my next one will be. Anyway I am building a Martin Fairwind which is a "wood and wire" craft much like the Piet is. I will be happy to share it with you and still look forward to the groups support.....if they don't stone me that is. Let me know if you still want photo's, and keep up the good work with the site. I would still like to be certifiedbefore Osh next year. It's still too early to tell if that is a feasiblegoal. More later.DannyMac________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jun 07, 1999 8:14 pm

Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Hurray! Wood is here!________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jun 07, 1999 9:29 pm

Original Posted By: Sanders Family
Jean ships nice stuff doesn't he? Hopefully you willhave more time to work on yours than I am finding formine.Dave>Hurray! Wood is here!>>________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Jun 09, 1999 1:28 am

Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: (no subject)>>>>Danymac,>> About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived atBrodhead>>in a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricated>>himself.>>>>Randall Reihing>> Alan bought his Piet. If I remember correctly, his struts are a wood>sandwich. Wood on either side & steel flat stock in the middle.>> Mike B-Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )>>________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Jun 09, 1999 9:43 am

Original Posted By: dannymac
Dear Group, I would like to learn more about wood flying struts.Strength/weight, etc. What is the great disadvantage if everyone isconsidering all of the other alternatives?Dannymac________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Jun 09, 1999 4:39 pm

Original Posted By: Steve W
Danymac, About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived at Brodheadin a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricatedhimself.Randall Reihing>Dear Group,>> I would like to learn more about wood flying struts.>Strength/weight, etc. What is the great disadvantage if everyone is>considering all of the other alternatives?>>Dannymac>>Randall ReihingUniversity of ToledoCollege of EngineeringMIME Department419-530-8244FAX: 419-530-8206E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Jun 09, 1999 6:21 pm

Original Posted By: Bill Talbert
>Danymac,> About five years ago I met an Alan Wise of Florida who arrived at Brodhead>in a C-65 Pietenpol with solid wood struts that he may have fabricated>himself.>>Randall Reihing Alan bought his Piet. If I remember correctly, his struts are a woodsandwich. Wood on either side & steel flat stock in the middle. Mike B-Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jun 10, 1999 8:45 am

Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Clyde Buckley built Alan's airplane as well as one more. My understandingis the struts are laminated around a 1/4" ply core. I have a cutoffsomewhere from the later airplane.I visited with an engineer once about this subject. His feedback is thewood struts should be plenty strong enough in tension, especially with thewires. He indicated it was more difficult to estimate compression loads,and perhaps in a rollover, they would not protect you as well.The potential weak point in wood struts is the mounting holes.John-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jun 14, 1999 3:57 am

Original Posted By: Dlwoolsey(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)>Dear Group,>>I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to play>locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all are>an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.>>Dannymac>________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:54 pm

Original Posted By: Larry Neal
Dear Group,I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to playlocksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all arean inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.Dannymac________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jun 15, 1999 12:31 am

Original Posted By: dannymac
Keep at it Danny! I find myself to be spread too thin and want to work atit more than I do.A little bit at a time and a little time spent on each littlebit.....eventually it will fly.It is kinda like building on an installment plan.I miss the group when it is quiet out there.John Mc-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jun 15, 1999 2:42 am

Original Posted By: Ron Beasley
Subject: Re: (no subject) >Dear Group, > >I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had toplay >locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You allare >an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys. > >Dannymac Danny- Stop it you're making me get all sentimental:)) Ahhh, thegood old days of going to bed with my hands smelling like vinegar (ittakes off T-88 from your hands), finding dried epoxy in my hair during themorning shower, stepping on little brass nails at 2 am (**&(&*%%$&*&*)....ah,the things we do to fly our own creations. (ps- worth every minute of it too) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jun 15, 1999 6:41 am

Original Posted By: John Duprey
>Dear Group,>>I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had to play>locksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You all are>an inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.>>DannymacDanny- Stop it you're making me get all sentimental:)) Ahhh, the goodold days of going to bed with my hands smelling like vinegar (it takes offT-88 from your hands), finding dried epoxy in my hair during the morningshower,stepping on little brass nails at 2 am (**&(&*%%$&*&*)....ah, the thingswe do to fly our own creations. (ps- worth every minute of it too)Mike C. Dear Group,I awoke this morning with ribs 8 and 9 dry in their jigs. I had toplaylocksmith all day all the while wishing to play wood-worm. You allarean inspiration. (Sniffle-choke) I love you guys.DannymacDanny- Stop it you're making me get all sentimental:))Ahhh, the goodold days of going to bed with my hands smelling like vinegar (ittakes offT-88 from your hands), finding dried epoxy in my hair during themorning shower,stepping on little brass nails at 2 am(**(*%%$**)....ah, the thingswe do to fly our own creations. (ps- worth every minute of ittoo)Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jun 15, 1999 8:59 am

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I thought Scottish Whiskey took T-88 off me finners. Didn't know abnoutvinigar, don't think that would tasye good, no? -----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 22, 1999 10:23 pm

Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Dear Flyers, Do have great fun being safe enroute to the meetings and show. Takeplenty of photos to share with us when you return. That's photos ofpeople too, not just planes, guys........and close-ups! Wish I wasthere. Maybe next year.Dannymac________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 25, 1999 5:30 pm

Original Posted By: walter evans
Thanks for the info on glue everyone sounds like t 88 is the thing to use Robert Bush________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Oct 08, 1999 7:41 pm

Original Posted By: Gary Gower
I HAVE STARTED BUILDING MY FUSELAGE [ THE LONG VERSION OFF THE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANS FROM DON PIETENPOL] SINCE THE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANS ONLY SHOW THE NEW MEASUREMENTS OF THE LENGTH ,UPRIGHTS,ANDDIAGANOL BRACES. HOW ABOUT THE TOP AND BOTTOM? I SUPPOSE SINCE THE LANDING GEAR CROSS BRACES NEED TO BE IN THE SAME LOCATION UNDER THEOLD PLANS THEN WOULD I BE RIGHT IN STARTING FROM THERE WITH THE MEASUREMENTS ON THE OLD PLANS AND WORKING MY WAY BACK FROM THERE ? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Oct 08, 1999 8:37 pm

Original Posted By:
Must be really happy as your yelling it out in all CAPS.Congrats on startingGordon Brimhall________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Oct 08, 1999 10:45 pm

Original Posted By: joe zw
> > I HAVE STARTED BUILDING MY FUSELAGE [ THE LONG VERSION OFF THE >SUPPLEMENTAL >PLANS FROM DON PIETENPOL] SINCE THE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANS ONLY SHOW THE >NEW >MEASUREMENTS OF THE LENGTH ,UPRIGHTS,ANDDIAGANOL BRACES. HOW ABOUT THE >TOP >AND BOTTOM? I SUPPOSE SINCE THE LANDING GEAR CROSS BRACES NEED TO BE >IN THE >SAME LOCATION UNDER THEOLD PLANS THEN WOULD I BE RIGHT IN STARTING >FROM >THERE WITH THE MEASUREMENTS ON THE OLD PLANS AND WORKING MY WAY BACK >FROM >THERE ? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.>> RobertPolite e-mail ettiquette requires the use of all capital letters bereserved for screamingly important announcements.Now....the important stuff-lay out the fuse sides as outlined on theplans and when it comes to inserting the cross-members, they will fallnaturally into place if you will keep all dimensions per the original tothe aft seatback. Then clamp the tailposts together and fill in theremainder of the cross-members wherever an intersection with an uprightoccurs. One important thing to remember is that the last top cross pieceneeds to be planned so that the stab will butt up to the aft end of theturtle deck and be even with the aft end of the tail post.You are correct in assuming that the cross pieces for the gear are acritical measurement. It is the same dimension as the cabane attachpoints and the wing struts spacing and allows the load (landing and inflight) to be transferred along the same plane in the structure.Larry________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Oct 11, 1999 12:27 pm

Original Posted By: "Conrad, Bart D"
((Stuff Deleted)) -lay out the fuse sides as outlined on theplans and when it comes to inserting the cross-members, they will fallnaturally into place if you will keep all dimensions per the original tothe aft seatback. ((More stuff Deleted))I don't have the supplemental plans yet but I thought they were supposed toallow more leg room for the pilot. From your description it sounds like thecockpit is the same on the long and short piet. Could you enlighten me?Marc Davis ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jan 18, 2000 4:26 pm

Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Would the person who is making up a list of registered Pietenpols in the US--you said had given some out at Broadhead, etc.--please contact me at my daughter's email address. I would like to buy a copy of the updated list from you.Thank you,Frank Cooleypatcoolnet(at)aol.com________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jun 29, 2000 9:21 am

Original Posted By: "William C. Beerman"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 25, 2000 12:45 am

Original Posted By: javier cruz

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Oct 12, 2000 12:09 pm

Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com, zenith-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com.smithmini-list@matronics.comHello Listers:Two new pages. Click the link for our Home Page Terminal Town or drag and drop the URLs shown.http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page104.html Terminal Town's Electrical Connector High Amp Circuit Breakers http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page17.htmlTerminal Town's Electrical Connector High Amp FusesJohn @ Terminal Town________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Oct 12, 2000 12:32 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I know you must be excited about your products. Thanks for bringing them toour attention so many times.The only electricity in my piet is produced by the mags.Steve E.-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Oct 12, 2000 3:10 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Amen to that Steve.Carl-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:32 pm

Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Thanks Steve:Sorry Guys...I will stop sending you mail.John @ Terminal Town________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Oct 25, 2000 7:54 pm

Original Posted By: Edward Nolan
"walter evans" I bought a 10" Delta @ Home Depot, and I'm almost through with my secondproject. Couldn't have built them without it.Great little tool that is worth every penny.walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Oct 25, 2000 8:32 pm

Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Some one once sent me a Dwg. file on the wing. My old computer crashed and I lost it. Whoever sent me this could you please send it again?________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Nov 07, 2000 8:20 am

Original Posted By: Merrill C Isaacson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)RE: Western Aircraft Supply/Jean Peters price for the spruce. I bought just the wood needed for the wing last November, and the price for the wood plus shipping by air freight to Richmond, VA was $930. Air freight was much cheaper than ground, surprisingly, and the whole order came in a 10" X 13.5' heavy-duty cardboard tube. The wood is cut to the proper dimensions, and is of superb quality. I think I had to buy a little more 1/4"X1/2" cap strip for some bracing but very little. I would imagine you could have it shipped to any decent-sized airport with a U.S. Customs office. I'll be ordering the wood for the fuselage and tail later this year from him. The wood isn't the cheapest, but the labor and time savings in getting it all together, plus having it precut to size, except for length in some cases, plus the quality of the wood, made it worthwhile for me.Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:24:02 -0500 (EST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Dec 20, 2000 7:54 am

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Re: Ok,,, got a question before I start putting this center sectiontogether. Do you cut out part of the rib where the center strutbracket crosses it on the spar? I've got 3/4" spar and even withoutthe ply spacer the metal bracket doesn't clear the vertical brace on therib.I hope this question is understandable,,,, better yet, hope to get asolution. ThanksCarlVery understandable.. I dealt with the same problem with the butt ribs on the outer wing panels. I just cut away the vertical braces on the rib which run on the insides of the fore and aft spars. Those braces look optional to me... they appear on the schematic of the rib but not on the plans themselves, but including them certainly helps maintain the correct rib profile in the area of the spars and makes the ribs easier to slide onto the spars. As soon as I finish varnishing the right outer wing panel, I will be into building the center section too... probably in about week or so. Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Dec 20, 2000 1:00 pm

Original Posted By: "Carl Loar"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)I found that building those Piet wings calls for a lot of country whit'lin and carv'in for the strap clearance as well as notches for the bolts and nuts. It gets a little close but if you follow the plans it all works outCorky in La. Still no power after 8 days. Snow forecast for tomorrow. Practicing my welding to keep warm. BUT, still never hear-ed of a soul retiring down south and moving north.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Dec 20, 2000 2:37 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks Matt,,, That's what I was thinking too. An other opinionalways helps to verify before cutting on this thing.I know that the plans are "complete" but sometimes,,, geez.Thanks again,Carl-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 03, 2001 3:21 pm

Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Gentlemen,While building over the last several years have acquired some handy items (small parts and hardware) for the Piet and wondered if anyone was interested some of it for their project. These are just a few things which are easy to ship and inexpensive, yet handy. aliminum L angle cowling clips with Tinnerman nut, landing gear bolts (split gear), small pulleys for aft of the pilot's seat (these are not on the plans, but some builders use them), 1/16 cable for the tail flying wires, iron rivets for the tail, streamline tubing for the elevator bellcrank (walking beam), 7/16 ID bushings for the prop (Model A), tachometer inards (no case). If anyone is interested, I will create a list with more detail a E mail direct. Thanks Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Nov 04, 2001 2:23 pm

Original Posted By: Matt Dralle

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Dec 28, 2001 9:47 am

Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)GREA738(at)aol.com wrote:>Strips come out nicely limber (I'm using fir). Slip in the jig slick>as you please, glue in the fiddly parts, staple on the gussets and>let it set up. If you slip two more strips into the "steamer" right>after you put the first two into the jig you can do a production run.Don't the strips come out of the steaming process damp? Do you dry them at all before gluing them up?Oscar,The strips do come out of the steamer damp - and HOT - but by the time the top & bottom strips are in the jig (and I'm ready to glue) most moisture has evaporated off - and - I'm using white carpenter's glue (Alphatic Resin) so any residual moisture helps wick the resin into the wood somewhat. (No, I've never had a glue joint failure).After clean-up and a light sanding where needed I brush on a thinned marine spar varnish (Not polyurethane). Time flies when you're having fun!Eventually the Scout will fly too!Den________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:37:31 -0800 (PST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Dec 29, 2001 1:25 am

Original Posted By: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: varnishing ribsBefore applying varnish ( after final assembly ) does anyone recommend that a fungicide or other perservative be applied?Henry Williams, half way thru ribs________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:00 am

Original Posted By: del magsam
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: (no subject)Chris Gomez.....I stepped up the tubing size for the gear legs to .0834130 from Dillsburg's but if I had it to do over I would go to the .065as the 4130 is stronger than the stuff BHP used back in the twenties. Ibelieve Steve Eldridge said he built his gear legs out of .035origionally and got about 150 landings before it started to deform hereplaced them with .065 and it works fine. That's if my memory serves meright which it doesn't always do. Ed________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:14:44 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:45 pm

Original Posted By: "Mike King"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)Hello all:I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex. I will order though if anyone has a good source... I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank & -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size bolts will fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although grade8 or grade 5 would be nice.Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships -- any suggestions?________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:16 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
There is a source of aircraft nuts and bolts located just off Harry Hinessouth of Regal Row.If this sounds good, then I will research the proper name, phonenumber, etc..Mike KingGN-177MKDallas, Texas-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:36 pm

Original Posted By: dave rowe

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:51 pm

Original Posted By: Mike King
Try McMaster-Carr Supply Co. at www.mcmaster.comLynn KnollWichitaVair/Piet in the works ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:55 pm

Original Posted By: Mike King
Mike KingIt is Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637 3598.They have everything. I mean everything.Chris Bobka ----- Original Message -----