Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Well... I was putting together some corvair info for my website, and came to realise that I dont have plans/instructions for building the cowling! Did I miss something in ordering? There must be plans somewhere...Richard-------------------------------------------------Homepage: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder_________ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: russell ray
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling>Richard, my impression is that when it comes to cowling the corvair, you'reon>your own. I have yet to see two different Corvair ships with the samecowl.>In fact, while perusing back issues of the BPAN, I noticed that someCorvair>pilots have installed different cowls on the same aircraft over time. For>example, have a look at the ship built by Duane Tulba (I think that's his>name). Its pictured on your website (Corvair.jpg). If I'm not mistaken,that>aircraft was pictured in a BPAN back issue with a rather fetching cowlmodeled>after the old Jenny. IMHO, it really looked sharp. I guess it was later>modified because it was too draggy, or perhaps there was insufficientcooling.>Who knows?>>I think I recall reading in another BPAN back issue that someone back in>Minnesota or Wisconsin still has BHP's mold for a fiberglass Corvair cowl.>Anyone know about that?>>I'm a long way from cowling mine (hell, I just started making wing ribs amonth>ago), but I'd also like to hear from people who have been there & donethat.>BTW, my Corvair engine is completely torn down now; I'm gathering parts forthe>rebuild and I welcome sage advice. What a beautiful engine.>>--Peter>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling>Richard, my impression is that when it comes to cowling the corvair, you'reon>your own. I have yet to see two different Corvair ships with the samecowl.>In fact, while perusing back issues of the BPAN, I noticed that someCorvair>pilots have installed different cowls on the same aircraft over time. For>example, have a look at the ship built by Duane Tulba (I think that's his>name). Its pictured on your website (Corvair.jpg). If I'm not mistaken,that>aircraft was pictured in a BPAN back issue with a rather fetching cowlmodeled>after the old Jenny. IMHO, it really looked sharp. I guess it was later>modified because it was too draggy, or perhaps there was insufficientcooling.>Who knows?>>I think I recall reading in another BPAN back issue that someone back in>Minnesota or Wisconsin still has BHP's mold for a fiberglass Corvair cowl.>Anyone know about that?>>I'm a long way from cowling mine (hell, I just started making wing ribs amonth>ago), but I'd also like to hear from people who have been there & donethat.>BTW, my Corvair engine is completely torn down now; I'm gathering parts forthe>rebuild and I welcome sage advice. What a beautiful engine.>>--Peter>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By:> Peter P Frantz
Is Duane on this list? I'd love to see it. Would also love to hear/see more about that cowling that looked like a Jenny's. I LOVE Jennys!Richard > Duane Tulba has BHP's mold. He lives in Indiana I think.> > John> > -----Original Message-----
Is Duane on this list? I'd love to see it. Would also love to hear/see more about that cowling that looked like a Jenny's. I LOVE Jennys!Richard > Duane Tulba has BHP's mold. He lives in Indiana I think.> > John> > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Peter P Frantz
Richard, my impression is that when it comes to cowling the corvair, you're onyour own. I have yet to see two different Corvair ships with the same cowl. In fact, while perusing back issues of the BPAN, I noticed that some Corvair pilots have installed different cowls on the same aircraft over time. For example, have a look at the ship built by Duane Tulba (I think that's his name). Its pictured on your website (Corvair.jpg). If I'm not mistaken, thataircraft was pictured in a BPAN back issue with a rather fetching cowl modeledafter the old Jenny. IMHO, it really looked sharp. I guess it was later modified because it was too draggy, or perhaps there was insufficient cooling.Who knows?I think I recall reading in another BPAN back issue that someone back in Minnesota or Wisconsin still has BHP's mold for a fiberglass Corvair cowl. Anyone know about that?I'm a long way from cowling mine (hell, I just started making wing ribs a monthago), but I'd also like to hear from people who have been there & done that. BTW, my Corvair engine is completely torn down now; I'm gathering parts for therebuild and I welcome sage advice. What a beautiful engine.--Peter________________________________________________________________________________
Richard, my impression is that when it comes to cowling the corvair, you're onyour own. I have yet to see two different Corvair ships with the same cowl. In fact, while perusing back issues of the BPAN, I noticed that some Corvair pilots have installed different cowls on the same aircraft over time. For example, have a look at the ship built by Duane Tulba (I think that's his name). Its pictured on your website (Corvair.jpg). If I'm not mistaken, thataircraft was pictured in a BPAN back issue with a rather fetching cowl modeledafter the old Jenny. IMHO, it really looked sharp. I guess it was later modified because it was too draggy, or perhaps there was insufficient cooling.Who knows?I think I recall reading in another BPAN back issue that someone back in Minnesota or Wisconsin still has BHP's mold for a fiberglass Corvair cowl. Anyone know about that?I'm a long way from cowling mine (hell, I just started making wing ribs a monthago), but I'd also like to hear from people who have been there & done that. BTW, my Corvair engine is completely torn down now; I'm gathering parts for therebuild and I welcome sage advice. What a beautiful engine.--Peter________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Sounds good. I dont have any back issues yet - hope to get some around Christmas.
A scan would be great; quality doesnt have to be great - just enough for reference.Thanks,Richard> If you haven't seen it, I think you'll really like the looks of> Duane's original cowl. I think it was somewhere in the second> volume of BPAN (I'll look it up later, they're at home). With Grant> MacLaren's permission, I can scan the photo and post it on my> website or e-mail it directly to you. That is, if you don't already> have those back issues. I should warn you that the photo> reproduction quality of this particular back issues is spectacularly> poor. Can't do it 'til Monday.> > Keep in mind, he scrapped this cowl for some reason. Must've been> something terribly wrong with it.> > --Peter-------------------------------------------------Homepage: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder_________ ... __________
Sounds good. I dont have any back issues yet - hope to get some around Christmas.
A scan would be great; quality doesnt have to be great - just enough for reference.Thanks,Richard> If you haven't seen it, I think you'll really like the looks of> Duane's original cowl. I think it was somewhere in the second> volume of BPAN (I'll look it up later, they're at home). With Grant> MacLaren's permission, I can scan the photo and post it on my> website or e-mail it directly to you. That is, if you don't already> have those back issues. I should warn you that the photo> reproduction quality of this particular back issues is spectacularly> poor. Can't do it 'til Monday.> > Keep in mind, he scrapped this cowl for some reason. Must've been> something terribly wrong with it.> > --Peter-------------------------------------------------Homepage: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder_________ ... __________Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Peter P Frantz
Peter,Duane Tulba has BHP's mold. He lives in Indiana I think.John-----Original Message-----
Peter,Duane Tulba has BHP's mold. He lives in Indiana I think.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: "D.J.H."
Richard,If you haven't seen it, I think you'll really like the looks of Duane's original cowl. I think it was somewhere in the second volume of BPAN (I'll look it up later, they're at home). With Grant MacLaren's permission, I can scan the photo and post it on my website or e-mail it directly to you. That is, if you don't already have those back issues. I should warn you that the photo reproduction quality of this particular back issues is spectacularly poor. Can't do it 'til Monday.Keep in mind, he scrapped this cowl for some reason. Must've been something terribly wrong with it.--Peter________________________________________________________________________________
Richard,If you haven't seen it, I think you'll really like the looks of Duane's original cowl. I think it was somewhere in the second volume of BPAN (I'll look it up later, they're at home). With Grant MacLaren's permission, I can scan the photo and post it on my website or e-mail it directly to you. That is, if you don't already have those back issues. I should warn you that the photo reproduction quality of this particular back issues is spectacularly poor. Can't do it 'til Monday.Keep in mind, he scrapped this cowl for some reason. Must've been something terribly wrong with it.--Peter________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: "John Dilatush"
Larry Neal wrote:>If I do eyebrows I'll have to do something Corvair-ish, of course,>but the Cub style nosebowl is plan A.Larry, have you looked at how William Wynne did his? The 'eyebrows' are more like rectangular scoops that hug the sides of the cowling, and the cowling itself is much sleeker than the usual bulbous setups seen with Corvairs in Piets. There are a number of sites with many close-ups of the cowling and intakes, and I've also downloaded some of the better cowling and intake shots so I could have them in case a site went down. Get with me off-net if William's setup is of any interest to you.Oscar ZunigaMedford, Oregonmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Larry Neal wrote:>If I do eyebrows I'll have to do something Corvair-ish, of course,>but the Cub style nosebowl is plan A.Larry, have you looked at how William Wynne did his? The 'eyebrows' are more like rectangular scoops that hug the sides of the cowling, and the cowling itself is much sleeker than the usual bulbous setups seen with Corvairs in Piets. There are a number of sites with many close-ups of the cowling and intakes, and I've also downloaded some of the better cowling and intake shots so I could have them in case a site went down. Get with me off-net if William's setup is of any interest to you.Oscar ZunigaMedford, Oregonmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Listers:Has anyone come up with sample photos of Corvair engine cowls? Mosteverything I have seen is for a Corvair with the blower on top, i.e.there is a large air intake opening on the top. I am trying to design acowling for a William Wynn conversion but don't like the boxy designs Ihave seen so far.Tom Stinemetze____ | ____ 8/ / ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:08:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Listers:Has anyone come up with sample photos of Corvair engine cowls? Mosteverything I have seen is for a Corvair with the blower on top, i.e.there is a large air intake opening on the top. I am trying to design acowling for a William Wynn conversion but don't like the boxy designs Ihave seen so far.Tom Stinemetze____ | ____ 8/ / ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:08:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Tom Stinemetze
MessageTom,Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index ----- Original Message -----
MessageTom,Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
If you don't mind using a spinner and like the pointy nose look, you can build a cowling like William Wynne had on his Piet very easily. Only the top part and nose bowl are curved (fiberglass layup; easy)- the rest is flat pieces with bends or piano hinges. And you don't have to make your own spinner; you can buy one from William. Pictures here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/WWPiet.htmlOscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&s ... __________
If you don't mind using a spinner and like the pointy nose look, you can build a cowling like William Wynne had on his Piet very easily. Only the top part and nose bowl are curved (fiberglass layup; easy)- the rest is flat pieces with bends or piano hinges. And you don't have to make your own spinner; you can buy one from William. Pictures here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/WWPiet.htmlOscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&s ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like 65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what that means.I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of times. It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at 100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy trying to operate it there.Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet" that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be enough).Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TA ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPHDate: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:39:20 -0400
Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like 65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what that means.I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of times. It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at 100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy trying to operate it there.Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet" that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be enough).Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TA ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPHDate: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:39:20 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: "Gordon Bowen"
For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Anysuggestions? Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index ----- Original Message ----- Tom Stinemetze____ | ____ 8/ / ________________________________________________________________________________
For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Anysuggestions? Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index ----- Original Message ----- Tom Stinemetze____ | ____ 8/ / ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
Original Posted By: "Tim Willis"
I can get about 105 mph, 2600 rpm, but got Lycosaur 0-235 for power and Aeronca D wings. Not much fun at 105, ears flappin' like a dog with it's head out the window. Much more fun at 70 mph. Fuel burn out of 20 gal tank 6.5 gal/hr while hot footin' it, so about 2.5 hrs range. Still not much fun getting beat by the wind just to get from point A to B. Much more fun flying along Interstate and seeing all the traffic going faster.Gordon----- Original Message -----
I can get about 105 mph, 2600 rpm, but got Lycosaur 0-235 for power and Aeronca D wings. Not much fun at 105, ears flappin' like a dog with it's head out the window. Much more fun at 70 mph. Fuel burn out of 20 gal tank 6.5 gal/hr while hot footin' it, so about 2.5 hrs range. Still not much fun getting beat by the wind just to get from point A to B. Much more fun flying along Interstate and seeing all the traffic going faster.Gordon----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Alum. thickness
Original Posted By: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
3003, .040 ----- Original Message -----
3003, .040 ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Tom Stinemetze
MessageHi,The reason is that the file index is incomplete. Leave it off and try just going to :http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervooGlenn W. ThomasStorrs, CThttp://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message -----
MessageHi,The reason is that the file index is incomplete. Leave it off and try just going to :http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervooGlenn W. ThomasStorrs, CThttp://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message -----
> Re: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
> Subject: Re: Corvair cowling> > > >Richard, my impression is that when it comes to cowling the corvair, you're> on> >your own. I have yet to see two different Corvair ships with the same> cowl.> >In fact, while perusing back issues of the BPAN, I noticed that some> Corvair> >pilots have installed different cowls on the same aircraft over time. For> >example, have a look at the ship built by Duane Tulba (I think that's his> >name). Its pictured on your website (Corvair.jpg). If I'm not mistaken,> that> >aircraft was pictured in a BPAN back issue with a rather fetching cowl> modeled> >after the old Jenny. IMHO, it really looked sharp. I guess it was later> >modified because it was too draggy, or perhaps there was insufficient> cooling.> >Who knows?> >> >I think I recall reading in another BPAN back issue that someone back in> >Minnesota or Wisconsin still has BHP's mold for a fiberglass Corvair cowl.> >Anyone know about that?> >> >I'm a long way from cowling mine (hell, I just started making wing ribs a> month> >ago), but I'd also like to hear from people who have been there & done> that.> >BTW, my Corvair engine is completely torn down now; I'm gathering parts for> the> >rebuild and I welcome sage advice. What a beautiful engine.> >> >--Peter> >> > Richard DeCostaWeb/CGI Programming - Auto Europe, LLC Web: http://www.autoerope.com Ph: 207-842-2064 Fax: 207-842-2239PERSONAL: http://www.wrld.com/wbuilder___________ ... __________
> Subject: Re: Corvair cowling> > > >Richard, my impression is that when it comes to cowling the corvair, you're> on> >your own. I have yet to see two different Corvair ships with the same> cowl.> >In fact, while perusing back issues of the BPAN, I noticed that some> Corvair> >pilots have installed different cowls on the same aircraft over time. For> >example, have a look at the ship built by Duane Tulba (I think that's his> >name). Its pictured on your website (Corvair.jpg). If I'm not mistaken,> that> >aircraft was pictured in a BPAN back issue with a rather fetching cowl> modeled> >after the old Jenny. IMHO, it really looked sharp. I guess it was later> >modified because it was too draggy, or perhaps there was insufficient> cooling.> >Who knows?> >> >I think I recall reading in another BPAN back issue that someone back in> >Minnesota or Wisconsin still has BHP's mold for a fiberglass Corvair cowl.> >Anyone know about that?> >> >I'm a long way from cowling mine (hell, I just started making wing ribs a> month> >ago), but I'd also like to hear from people who have been there & done> that.> >BTW, my Corvair engine is completely torn down now; I'm gathering parts for> the> >rebuild and I welcome sage advice. What a beautiful engine.> >> >--Peter> >> > Richard DeCostaWeb/CGI Programming - Auto Europe, LLC Web: http://www.autoerope.com Ph: 207-842-2064 Fax: 207-842-2239PERSONAL: http://www.wrld.com/wbuilder___________ ... __________
>> Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
>>>> For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Any>> suggestions?>> Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style>>>> cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index>>>> ----- Original Message ----->> Tom Stinemetze>> ____ | ____>> 8/>> / >>>>>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________> Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at > www.eBay.com.au>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:49:30 -0700
>>>> For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Any>> suggestions?>> Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style>>>> cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index>>>> ----- Original Message ----->> Tom Stinemetze>> ____ | ____>> 8/>> / >>>>>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________> Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at > www.eBay.com.au>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:49:30 -0700