Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it waswarm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of itbefore, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by now at 32degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at that temp,or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. bookhasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoring me.This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without thissupport group.Richard ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:>> I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , thececiling has> a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during the winter. So I put> in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blown in type> insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed asheet of> 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom . so -now the> floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came from constructionsites , it> was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thier junk. I heat> my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years to getall the> stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop camefrom junk> piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways with newbulbs in> them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to layout the> fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine hasbeen totally> rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made thisspring by a> good friend that has built many prop's for other people . We hope tohave it> completed by 2000 . > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builder"All knowledge is of itself of some value. There is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...
Original Posted By: Raffaele Bellissimo
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...>Richard>Did you glue any test pieces as you glued the ribs last nite? would be>interesting to see how they perform after drying. I will not have any nice>warm place either if I get that far on my plane this winter. T-88 seems to>be the most used glue? Where are you buying yours and at what price?>>BTW I really like your web site. If I said that before don't let your head>swell again:-)>>Thanks>>Gordon>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>> Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it was>> warm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of it>> before, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by now at 32>> degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5>> hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at that temp,>> or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. book>> hasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoring me.>> This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without this>> support group.>>>> Richard>>>> ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:>> >>> > I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , the>> ceciling has>> > a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during the winter>> . So I put>> > in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blown in type>> > insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed a>> sheet of>> > 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom . so ->> now the>> > floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came from construction>> sites , it>> > was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thier junk>> . I heat>> > my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years to get>> all the>> > stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop came>> from junk>> > piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways with new>> bulbs in>> > them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to lay>> out the>> > fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine has>> been totally>> > rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made this>> spring by a>> > good friend that has built many prop's for other people . We hope to>> have it>> > completed by 2000 .>> >>>>> ==>> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>> "All knowledge is of itself of some value. There>> is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would>> not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson>>>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...>Richard>Did you glue any test pieces as you glued the ribs last nite? would be>interesting to see how they perform after drying. I will not have any nice>warm place either if I get that far on my plane this winter. T-88 seems to>be the most used glue? Where are you buying yours and at what price?>>BTW I really like your web site. If I said that before don't let your head>swell again:-)>>Thanks>>Gordon>>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>> Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it was>> warm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of it>> before, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by now at 32>> degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5>> hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at that temp,>> or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. book>> hasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoring me.>> This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without this>> support group.>>>> Richard>>>> ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:>> >>> > I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , the>> ceciling has>> > a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during the winter>> . So I put>> > in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blown in type>> > insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed a>> sheet of>> > 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom . so ->> now the>> > floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came from construction>> sites , it>> > was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thier junk>> . I heat>> > my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years to get>> all the>> > stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop came>> from junk>> > piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways with new>> bulbs in>> > them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to lay>> out the>> > fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine has>> been totally>> > rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made this>> spring by a>> > good friend that has built many prop's for other people . We hope to>> have it>> > completed by 2000 .>> >>>>> ==>> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>> "All knowledge is of itself of some value. There>> is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would>> not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson>>>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...
Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
RichardDid you glue any test pieces as you glued the ribs last nite? would beinteresting to see how they perform after drying. I will not have any nicewarm place either if I get that far on my plane this winter. T-88 seems tobe the most used glue? Where are you buying yours and at what price?BTW I really like your web site. If I said that before don't let your headswell again:-)ThanksGordonRichard DeCosta wrote:> Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it was> warm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of it> before, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by now at 32> degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5> hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at that temp,> or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. book> hasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoring me.> This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without this> support group.>> Richard>> ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:> >> > I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , the> ceciling has> > a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during the winter> . So I put> > in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blown in type> > insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed a> sheet of> > 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom . so -> now the> > floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came from construction> sites , it> > was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thier junk> . I heat> > my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years to get> all the> > stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop came> from junk> > piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways with new> bulbs in> > them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to lay> out the> > fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine has> been totally> > rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made this> spring by a> > good friend that has built many prop's for other people . We hope to> have it> > completed by 2000 .> >>> ==> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> "All knowledge is of itself of some value. There> is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would> not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson>> ________________________________________________________________________________
RichardDid you glue any test pieces as you glued the ribs last nite? would beinteresting to see how they perform after drying. I will not have any nicewarm place either if I get that far on my plane this winter. T-88 seems tobe the most used glue? Where are you buying yours and at what price?BTW I really like your web site. If I said that before don't let your headswell again:-)ThanksGordonRichard DeCosta wrote:> Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it was> warm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of it> before, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by now at 32> degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5> hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at that temp,> or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. book> hasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoring me.> This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without this> support group.>> Richard>> ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:> >> > I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , the> ceciling has> > a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during the winter> . So I put> > in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blown in type> > insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed a> sheet of> > 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom . so -> now the> > floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came from construction> sites , it> > was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thier junk> . I heat> > my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years to get> all the> > stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop came> from junk> > piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways with new> bulbs in> > them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to lay> out the> > fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine has> been totally> > rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made this> spring by a> > good friend that has built many prop's for other people . We hope to> have it> > completed by 2000 .> >>> ==> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> "All knowledge is of itself of some value. There> is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would> not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson>> ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...
Original Posted By: LanhamOS(at)aol.com
No test pieces last night, but I will definately do a couple tonight.When I take the rib out of the jig to do the opposite side tonight atleast I can let it dry in the house. My jig is a giant oak door, whichI'd rather not lug into the house (weights about 75 pounds!) or cutup, since I'll be using it as a bench to build my tail pieces on.T-88 I got at Wicks. $26 for 1/2 pt I THINK. Dont quote me on that one.Richard---Gordon Brimhall wrote:>> Richard> Did you glue any test pieces as you glued the ribs last nite? would be> interesting to see how they perform after drying. I will not haveany nice> warm place either if I get that far on my plane this winter. T-88seems to> be the most used glue? Where are you buying yours and at whatprice?> > BTW I really like your web site. If I said that before don't letyour head> swell again:-)> > Thanks> > Gordon> > > > Richard DeCosta wrote:> > > Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it was> > warm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of it> > before, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by nowat 32> > degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5> > hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at thattemp,> > or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. book> > hasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoringme.> > This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without this> > support group.> >> > Richard> >> > ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:> > >> > > I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , the> > ceciling has> > > a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during thewinter> > . So I put> > > in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blownin type> > > insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed a> > sheet of> > > 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom .so -> > now the> > > floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came fromconstruction> > sites , it> > > was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thierjunk> > . I heat> > > my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years toget> > all the> > > stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop came> > from junk> > > piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways withnew> > bulbs in> > > them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to lay> > out the> > > fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine has> > been totally> > > rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made this> > spring by a> > > good friend that has built many prop's for other people . Wehope to> > have it> > > completed by 2000 .> > >> >> > ==> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> > "All knowledge is of itself of some value. There> > is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would> > not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson> >> > > > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builder"All knowledge is of itself of some value. There is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson________________________________________________________________________________
No test pieces last night, but I will definately do a couple tonight.When I take the rib out of the jig to do the opposite side tonight atleast I can let it dry in the house. My jig is a giant oak door, whichI'd rather not lug into the house (weights about 75 pounds!) or cutup, since I'll be using it as a bench to build my tail pieces on.T-88 I got at Wicks. $26 for 1/2 pt I THINK. Dont quote me on that one.Richard---Gordon Brimhall wrote:>> Richard> Did you glue any test pieces as you glued the ribs last nite? would be> interesting to see how they perform after drying. I will not haveany nice> warm place either if I get that far on my plane this winter. T-88seems to> be the most used glue? Where are you buying yours and at whatprice?> > BTW I really like your web site. If I said that before don't letyour head> swell again:-)> > Thanks> > Gordon> > > > Richard DeCosta wrote:> > > Well, I warmed the shop & the wood (T-88 was in the house, so it was> > warm anyway) and glued rib #13 at room temp. I hadnt thought of it> > before, but the rib is now "drying" in the shop, which is by nowat 32> > degrees or below, which is the outside temp (I finished glueing 5> > hours ago). Is that a problem, or is it ok for it to DRY at thattemp,> > or am I being paranoid? This is my first plane, and my Tony B. book> > hasnt arrived yet (why dont it get here?!), so thanks for humoringme.> > This group is great! I cant imagine building a plane without this> > support group.> >> > Richard> >> > ---TLC62770(at)aol.com wrote:> > >> > > I have my shop insulated very well . the walls have a R-20 , the> > ceciling has> > > a R - 39 . My barn is very cold here in mid Mich. during thewinter> > . So I put> > > in a wolminized floor that is insulated with water proof blownin type> > > insulation and a 1 in. thich stirifom sheet on top then I placed a> > sheet of> > > 5/8 plywood on that and screwed it to the wood on the bottom .so -> > now the> > > floor has a R -16 . Most of the stuff I used came fromconstruction> > sites , it> > > was laying in the junk pile . all i had to do was ask for thierjunk> > . I heat> > > my 24 x 18 shop for pennys now . it took me about 1 1/2 years toget> > all the> > > stuff togethter for the project . Most everything in the shop came> > from junk> > > piles or yard sales . My flor sense lites are throw -aways withnew> > bulbs in> > > them . We have the imkproved ribs made now and are starting to lay> > out the> > > fuelage within the next couple of weeks . The Corvair engine has> > been totally> > > rebuilt with duel plugs and mags . the prop is being made this> > spring by a> > > good friend that has built many prop's for other people . Wehope to> > have it> > > completed by 2000 .> > >> >> > ==> > http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> > "All knowledge is of itself of some value. There> > is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would> > not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson> >> > > > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builder"All knowledge is of itself of some value. There is nothing so minute or inconsiderable, that I would not rather know it than not." --Samuel, Dr. Johnson________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Temp& Glueing-part two...
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Hi Richard,Don't know about regulations in the States but here in Canada we arerequired to keep samples glued from a batch to demonstrate strength if theyshould ask. I kept the samples, he asked but did not want any demo. Stillworking on those photes. I'm going to do some taxi tests tomorrow.regards,Domenic-----Original Message-----
Hi Richard,Don't know about regulations in the States but here in Canada we arerequired to keep samples glued from a batch to demonstrate strength if theyshould ask. I kept the samples, he asked but did not want any demo. Stillworking on those photes. I'm going to do some taxi tests tomorrow.regards,Domenic-----Original Message-----