Original Posted By: TXTdragger(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>Haven't used it on a Piet but surgical tape has worked fine for me on otheraircraft.>Regards,>Leo>-->>On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:49:51 Copinfo wrote:>>Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap to seal it?>>Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>>Tim Cunningham>>Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>>>>>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-->Share what you know. Learn what you don't.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Aileron Gap Seals
Pietenpol-List: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Leo Powning
Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap to seal it?Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap tosealit?CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515)237-1510________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap to seal it?Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap tosealit?CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515)237-1510________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: kyle ray
Haven't used it on a Piet but surgical tape has worked fine for me on other aircraft.Regards,Leo--On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:49:51 Copinfo wrote:>Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap to seal it?>Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>Tim Cunningham>Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--Share what you know. Learn what you don't.________________________________________________________________________________
Haven't used it on a Piet but surgical tape has worked fine for me on other aircraft.Regards,Leo--On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:49:51 Copinfo wrote:>Does anyone have a quick fix for the aileron gap to seal it?>Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>Tim Cunningham>Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--Share what you know. Learn what you don't.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Leo Powning
Thanks for the advice. I used duct tape and what a difference. I can'tbelieve it.-----Original Message-----
Thanks for the advice. I used duct tape and what a difference. I can'tbelieve it.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Graham Hansen
if duct tape or WD40 can't fix it........IT'S broke........John D________________________________________________________________________________
if duct tape or WD40 can't fix it........IT'S broke........John D________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Copinfo
Mike King,No the GN1 isn't the same its aileron's are set up different thanthe Pietenpols and this is one area that is not an improvement.and is not as simple and functional as the Pietenpol. (my opinion)order a set of GN-1 plans ($25.00) it is hinged by eyebolts withequal gap on top and bottomthe air pressure is sealed differently by putting cloth diagonally acrossthe gap, if I remember correctly, if you like give meyour address I'll mail you copy of the aileron. However if youown and fly a GN1 maybe a full set of plans would be wellworth $25.00.----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Mike King,No the GN1 isn't the same its aileron's are set up different thanthe Pietenpols and this is one area that is not an improvement.and is not as simple and functional as the Pietenpol. (my opinion)order a set of GN-1 plans ($25.00) it is hinged by eyebolts withequal gap on top and bottomthe air pressure is sealed differently by putting cloth diagonally acrossthe gap, if I remember correctly, if you like give meyour address I'll mail you copy of the aileron. However if youown and fly a GN1 maybe a full set of plans would be wellworth $25.00.----- Original Message -----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Ron Gipson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>On gliders we use surface tapes doped to the wing and aileron. Don't go toheavy>on the dope and it will flex but still seal the gap.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>On gliders we use surface tapes doped to the wing and aileron. Don't go toheavy>on the dope and it will flex but still seal the gap.________________________________________________________________________________
>> Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap SealsMike, I'll try to take a digital of the gap seal on my GN-1 tomorrow. It'sa strip of thin metal toat goes the full length of the aileron. It'sattached to the trailing edge of the wing, and just barely touches theaileron when it's in the full up position. Seems to work fine, as I haveexcellant roll response.Sorry you can't make it to Burnet this weekend. I'm still trying forSaturday, but i'm not real hopeful, however there's still a slight chance.Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas>Thanks for the info. I have a set of plans>coming.>>I would like to improve aileron response.>Some days we have very windy days and>quickly compensating for crosswind and>gusts makes it very challenging.>Other than that, it is a great plane to>fly.>>Mike>>>>Mike King,>>>>No the GN1 isn't the same its aileron's are set up different than>>the Pietenpols and this is one area that is not an improvement.>>and is not as simple and functional as the Pietenpol. (my opinion)>>order a set of GN-1 plans ($25.00) it is hinged by eyebolts with>>equal gap on top and bottom>>the air pressure is sealed differently by putting cloth diagonally across>>the gap, if I remember correctly, if you like give me>>your address I'll mail you copy of the aileron. However if you>>own and fly a GN1 maybe a full set of plans would be well>>worth $25.00.>>>>>>----- Original Message ----->>From: Copinfo >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 3:22 PM>>Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>>>>>>> Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape>>over>>> the wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see the>>> difference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm>>sure>>> the GN-1 will be the same.>>> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>>> Tim Cunningham>>> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>>>>>> >I have been reading with interest on and off>>> >the last several months the use of aileron gap>>> >seals.>>> >>>> >Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the>>> >PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew>>> >like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger>>> >indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.>>> >>>> >When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed>>> >it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive>>> >on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond>>> >and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.>>> >>>> >Since then I have been reading on this list about gap>>> >seals to improve aileron response performance. Has>>> >anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so>>> >how and what were the results?>>> >>>> >Thank you again for your input.>>> >>>> >Mike King>>> >GN-1>>> >77MK>>> >Dallas>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap SealsMike, I'll try to take a digital of the gap seal on my GN-1 tomorrow. It'sa strip of thin metal toat goes the full length of the aileron. It'sattached to the trailing edge of the wing, and just barely touches theaileron when it's in the full up position. Seems to work fine, as I haveexcellant roll response.Sorry you can't make it to Burnet this weekend. I'm still trying forSaturday, but i'm not real hopeful, however there's still a slight chance.Robert Hensarlinghttp://www.mesquite-furniture.comrhrocker(at)admin.hilconet.comUvalde, Texas>Thanks for the info. I have a set of plans>coming.>>I would like to improve aileron response.>Some days we have very windy days and>quickly compensating for crosswind and>gusts makes it very challenging.>Other than that, it is a great plane to>fly.>>Mike>>>>Mike King,>>>>No the GN1 isn't the same its aileron's are set up different than>>the Pietenpols and this is one area that is not an improvement.>>and is not as simple and functional as the Pietenpol. (my opinion)>>order a set of GN-1 plans ($25.00) it is hinged by eyebolts with>>equal gap on top and bottom>>the air pressure is sealed differently by putting cloth diagonally across>>the gap, if I remember correctly, if you like give me>>your address I'll mail you copy of the aileron. However if you>>own and fly a GN1 maybe a full set of plans would be well>>worth $25.00.>>>>>>----- Original Message ----->>From: Copinfo >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 3:22 PM>>Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>>>>>>> Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape>>over>>> the wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see the>>> difference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm>>sure>>> the GN-1 will be the same.>>> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>>> Tim Cunningham>>> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>>>>>> >I have been reading with interest on and off>>> >the last several months the use of aileron gap>>> >seals.>>> >>>> >Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the>>> >PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew>>> >like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger>>> >indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.>>> >>>> >When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed>>> >it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive>>> >on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond>>> >and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.>>> >>>> >Since then I have been reading on this list about gap>>> >seals to improve aileron response performance. Has>>> >anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so>>> >how and what were the results?>>> >>>> >Thank you again for your input.>>> >>>> >Mike King>>> >GN-1>>> >77MK>>> >Dallas>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
I have been reading with interest on and offthe last several months the use of aileron gapseals.Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that thePIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.Since then I have been reading on this list about gapseals to improve aileron response performance. Hasanyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if sohow and what were the results?Thank you again for your input.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas________________________________________________________________________________
I have been reading with interest on and offthe last several months the use of aileron gapseals.Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that thePIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.Since then I have been reading on this list about gapseals to improve aileron response performance. Hasanyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if sohow and what were the results?Thank you again for your input.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Copinfo
Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape overthe wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see thedifference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm surethe GN-1 will be the same.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>I have been reading with interest on and off>the last several months the use of aileron gap>seals.>>Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the>PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew>like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger>indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.>>When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed>it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive>on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond>and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.>>Since then I have been reading on this list about gap>seals to improve aileron response performance. Has>anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so>how and what were the results?>>Thank you again for your input.>>Mike King>GN-1>77MK>Dallas>>________________________________________________________________________________
Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape overthe wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see thedifference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm surethe GN-1 will be the same.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>I have been reading with interest on and off>the last several months the use of aileron gap>seals.>>Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the>PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew>like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger>indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.>>When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed>it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive>on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond>and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.>>Since then I have been reading on this list about gap>seals to improve aileron response performance. Has>anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so>how and what were the results?>>Thank you again for your input.>>Mike King>GN-1>77MK>Dallas>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Ian Holland
Mike, You must be sure that the tape you use for the gap seals does not pucker (up). If it does you could find yourself in a spin. It makes a little air damn on the front of the aileron. I had a real surprise one day after sealing the wings on my sailplane. It's a good thing this happened with some altitude, other wise I might not be on this mailing list.Howdy________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, You must be sure that the tape you use for the gap seals does not pucker (up). If it does you could find yourself in a spin. It makes a little air damn on the front of the aileron. I had a real surprise one day after sealing the wings on my sailplane. It's a good thing this happened with some altitude, other wise I might not be on this mailing list.Howdy________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
On gliders we use surface tapes doped to the wing and aileron. Don't go to heavyon the dope and it will flex but still seal the gap.Copinfo wrote:> Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape over> the wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see the> difference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm sure> the GN-1 will be the same.> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com> Tim Cunningham> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>> >I have been reading with interest on and off> >the last several months the use of aileron gap> >seals.> >> >Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the> >PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew> >like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger> >indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.> >> >When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed> >it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive> >on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond> >and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.> >> >Since then I have been reading on this list about gap> >seals to improve aileron response performance. Has> >anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so> >how and what were the results?> >> >Thank you again for your input.> >> >Mike King> >GN-1> >77MK> >Dallas> >> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
On gliders we use surface tapes doped to the wing and aileron. Don't go to heavyon the dope and it will flex but still seal the gap.Copinfo wrote:> Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape over> the wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see the> difference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm sure> the GN-1 will be the same.> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com> Tim Cunningham> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>> >I have been reading with interest on and off> >the last several months the use of aileron gap> >seals.> >> >Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the> >PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew> >like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger> >indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.> >> >When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed> >it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive> >on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond> >and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.> >> >Since then I have been reading on this list about gap> >seals to improve aileron response performance. Has> >anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so> >how and what were the results?> >> >Thank you again for your input.> >> >Mike King> >GN-1> >77MK> >Dallas> >> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Michael King
Howdy,Thanks for the heads-up on the "pucker" factorin using tape for gap seals. Will keep a closeeye on it. Any way to ensure the tape will notpucker along the aileron?Thnaks again...Mike>Mike,> You must be sure that the tape you use for the gap seals does not pucker >(up). If it does you could find yourself in a spin. It makes a little air >damn on the front of the aileron. I had a real surprise one day after >sealing the wings on my sailplane. It's a good thing this happened withsome >altitude, other wise I might not be on this mailing list.>Howdy>>________________________________________________________________________________
Howdy,Thanks for the heads-up on the "pucker" factorin using tape for gap seals. Will keep a closeeye on it. Any way to ensure the tape will notpucker along the aileron?Thnaks again...Mike>Mike,> You must be sure that the tape you use for the gap seals does not pucker >(up). If it does you could find yourself in a spin. It makes a little air >damn on the front of the aileron. I had a real surprise one day after >sealing the wings on my sailplane. It's a good thing this happened withsome >altitude, other wise I might not be on this mailing list.>Howdy>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Thanks for the info. I have a set of planscoming.I would like to improve aileron response.Some days we have very windy days andquickly compensating for crosswind and gusts makes it very challenging.Other than that, it is a great plane to fly.Mike>Mike King,>>No the GN1 isn't the same its aileron's are set up different than>the Pietenpols and this is one area that is not an improvement.>and is not as simple and functional as the Pietenpol. (my opinion)>order a set of GN-1 plans ($25.00) it is hinged by eyebolts with>equal gap on top and bottom>the air pressure is sealed differently by putting cloth diagonally across>the gap, if I remember correctly, if you like give me>your address I'll mail you copy of the aileron. However if you>own and fly a GN1 maybe a full set of plans would be well>worth $25.00.>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Copinfo >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 3:22 PM>Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>>>> Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape>over>> the wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see the>> difference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm>sure>> the GN-1 will be the same.>> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>> Tim Cunningham>> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>>>> >I have been reading with interest on and off>> >the last several months the use of aileron gap>> >seals.>> >>> >Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the>> >PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew>> >like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger>> >indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.>> >>> >When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed>> >it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive>> >on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond>> >and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.>> >>> >Since then I have been reading on this list about gap>> >seals to improve aileron response performance. Has>> >anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so>> >how and what were the results?>> >>> >Thank you again for your input.>> >>> >Mike King>> >GN-1>> >77MK>> >Dallas>> >>> >>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks for the info. I have a set of planscoming.I would like to improve aileron response.Some days we have very windy days andquickly compensating for crosswind and gusts makes it very challenging.Other than that, it is a great plane to fly.Mike>Mike King,>>No the GN1 isn't the same its aileron's are set up different than>the Pietenpols and this is one area that is not an improvement.>and is not as simple and functional as the Pietenpol. (my opinion)>order a set of GN-1 plans ($25.00) it is hinged by eyebolts with>equal gap on top and bottom>the air pressure is sealed differently by putting cloth diagonally across>the gap, if I remember correctly, if you like give me>your address I'll mail you copy of the aileron. However if you>own and fly a GN1 maybe a full set of plans would be well>worth $25.00.>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Copinfo >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 3:22 PM>Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals>>>> Put the aileron in the full down position on one side and put duct tape>over>> the wing and aileron then do the other side. Now fly it and see the>> difference. I couldn't believe the difference it made on my Piet. I'm>sure>> the GN-1 will be the same.>> Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.Com>> Tim Cunningham>> Des Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>>>> >I have been reading with interest on and off>> >the last several months the use of aileron gap>> >seals.>> >>> >Before I bought my GN-1, I was told that the>> >PIET and the Grega GN-1 Aircampers flew>> >like a J-3 Cub. I then got my taildragger>> >indorsement in the Cub before flying the Grega.>> >>> >When I flew my GN-1 for the first time, I noticed>> >it did NOT fly like the Cub, and was not as responsive>> >on the controls.....the ailerons were slower to respond>> >and the pitch was more sensitive than the Cub.>> >>> >Since then I have been reading on this list about gap>> >seals to improve aileron response performance. Has>> >anyone with a GN-1 used aileron gap seals and if so>> >how and what were the results?>> >>> >Thank you again for your input.>> >>> >Mike King>> >GN-1>> >77MK>> >Dallas>> >>> >>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Michael King
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: David B. Schober
That is also the way DeHavilland did it on the Moth. I removed the elevatorfor repairs and was able to lift the pinked edge of the gap seal, double itbacon itself and it pulled cleanly away with no damage to the elevator orhorizontal stabilizer fabric.John Mc-----Original Message-----
That is also the way DeHavilland did it on the Moth. I removed the elevatorfor repairs and was able to lift the pinked edge of the gap seal, double itbacon itself and it pulled cleanly away with no damage to the elevator orhorizontal stabilizer fabric.John Mc-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Gap Seals
Original Posted By: Michael King
One way to make sure that the aileron gap seal doesn't pucker would beto stick the forward/upper side of the seal to the aft face of theaileron gap spar in the stationary part of the wing. The upper/aftfacing part of the seal then lays down on the top surface of theaileron. This way the seal crosses the centerline of the hinge and it'slength does not change with aileron movement. This is the method usedto seal steel tube empanage gaps.Lauren mailsorter-102-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2)Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:26:50 -0500________________________________________________________________________________
One way to make sure that the aileron gap seal doesn't pucker would beto stick the forward/upper side of the seal to the aft face of theaileron gap spar in the stationary part of the wing. The upper/aftfacing part of the seal then lays down on the top surface of theaileron. This way the seal crosses the centerline of the hinge and it'slength does not change with aileron movement. This is the method usedto seal steel tube empanage gaps.Lauren mailsorter-102-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2)Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:26:50 -0500________________________________________________________________________________