Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I'm working on covering my tail and trying to come up with a plan for thefuse. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to to do this? Would it bebest to do the turtle deck as one piece, then each side panel? Should thepieces be sewn together?Dick Navratil________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:58:09 -0500
Pietenpol-List: covering
RE: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Richard,,, Aircraft Spruce carries complete envelope sets for the piet.Pretty reasonable price when you figure all areas to be covered andthe waste you will probably end up with. This is the route I plan to go.Useing the stits poly fabric and heat shrinking and then covering with anon tensioning dope to give the old plane effect.Note; call them for a price on the envelopes as they are different thanwhat'sin the catalog.Carl-----Original Message-----
Richard,,, Aircraft Spruce carries complete envelope sets for the piet.Pretty reasonable price when you figure all areas to be covered andthe waste you will probably end up with. This is the route I plan to go.Useing the stits poly fabric and heat shrinking and then covering with anon tensioning dope to give the old plane effect.Note; call them for a price on the envelopes as they are different thanwhat'sin the catalog.Carl-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: "Richard Navratil"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringIn a message dated 12/27/00 9:50:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:> I'm working on covering my tail and trying to come up with a plan for the> fuse. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to to do this? Would it be> best to do the turtle deck as one piece, then each side panel? Should the> pieces be sewn together?> > Dick,You can cover in any order. I prefer to cover the turtle deck first, then the sides, and finally the open section of the bottom. I know of no need for sewing. Make overlap joints with the glue or dope of what ever system you are using. Cover the joints with tapes after shrinking. Hope this helps. Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringIn a message dated 12/27/00 9:50:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:> I'm working on covering my tail and trying to come up with a plan for the> fuse. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to to do this? Would it be> best to do the turtle deck as one piece, then each side panel? Should the> pieces be sewn together?> > Dick,You can cover in any order. I prefer to cover the turtle deck first, then the sides, and finally the open section of the bottom. I know of no need for sewing. Make overlap joints with the glue or dope of what ever system you are using. Cover the joints with tapes after shrinking. Hope this helps. Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
Thanks all for the reponses. I have seen the sewn envelope in the past butIt sure looks a lot easier doing it the way Mike and Doug described. Nowto just remember to measure twice before cutting.Snowy nights in Minnesota are great for working on a Piet.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:10:20 -0800 (PST)
Thanks all for the reponses. I have seen the sewn envelope in the past butIt sure looks a lot easier doing it the way Mike and Doug described. Nowto just remember to measure twice before cutting.Snowy nights in Minnesota are great for working on a Piet.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:10:20 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: dihedral
Original Posted By: Christian Bobka
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dihedralIn a message dated 12/31/00 4:12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:> I'm at the point of gluing the scarf joints on my> spars. I would like to hear the pro's and con's of> gluing with the dihedral in or gluing straight and> then flexing the spars to get the dihedral. If I> trigged it out properly, to get 1.5 degrees of> dihedral the ends of the spar would have to be 4 to 5> inches up from the center, or in other words. if you> stretched a string from one tip to the other there> would be 4 to 5 inches gap in the center from the> string to the spar.> del> > Del,Here is my brief take on the subject. I quess I don't understand the need for any dihedral. My aircraft have straight wings. The plans show a straight wing. I have 80 some hours on my first aircraft and wouldn't know of any flying reason to have dihedral. However, BHP did put some dihedral in 33U (the first long fuselage Corvair aircraft). The amount appears to be just enough to remove the drooped look illusion of the straight wing (very small amount). I spent nearly three full days at Oshkosh (2000) studying both the A powered and Corvair powered aircraft in th Museums. The Corvair powered one definitely has a small amount. I believe I would build the wing straight and apply the dihedral with the struts. This is just my opinion.Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:28:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dihedralIn a message dated 12/31/00 4:12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:> I'm at the point of gluing the scarf joints on my> spars. I would like to hear the pro's and con's of> gluing with the dihedral in or gluing straight and> then flexing the spars to get the dihedral. If I> trigged it out properly, to get 1.5 degrees of> dihedral the ends of the spar would have to be 4 to 5> inches up from the center, or in other words. if you> stretched a string from one tip to the other there> would be 4 to 5 inches gap in the center from the> string to the spar.> del> > Del,Here is my brief take on the subject. I quess I don't understand the need for any dihedral. My aircraft have straight wings. The plans show a straight wing. I have 80 some hours on my first aircraft and wouldn't know of any flying reason to have dihedral. However, BHP did put some dihedral in 33U (the first long fuselage Corvair aircraft). The amount appears to be just enough to remove the drooped look illusion of the straight wing (very small amount). I spent nearly three full days at Oshkosh (2000) studying both the A powered and Corvair powered aircraft in th Museums. The Corvair powered one definitely has a small amount. I believe I would build the wing straight and apply the dihedral with the struts. This is just my opinion.Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:28:18 -0500
Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
I have my one piece wing completely covered. All was fine ironing outat 250 degrees, but when I stepped up to 280 I am getting somedistortion in the upper inboard ribs on each side. It's about 1/4" atthis point. I left the center bay open to install the fuel tank later.I checked the archives, I remember past discussions about this but Icant find solutions in the archives. The first question - Have you all continued on to 350 degrees or wouldit be best to stop at 300?Next - I am thinking of stopping here and flipping the wing over andinstalling access rings on the botton of the wing so I can get inside toadd another 1x1" brace to the rib, I should add that I put in a 1/8"plywood doubler on the inside ribs and since I have installed a plywoodbottom on the fuel tank bay the distortion is only on the top of therib. Any thoughts please.Dick________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:07:25 -0500
I have my one piece wing completely covered. All was fine ironing outat 250 degrees, but when I stepped up to 280 I am getting somedistortion in the upper inboard ribs on each side. It's about 1/4" atthis point. I left the center bay open to install the fuel tank later.I checked the archives, I remember past discussions about this but Icant find solutions in the archives. The first question - Have you all continued on to 350 degrees or wouldit be best to stop at 300?Next - I am thinking of stopping here and flipping the wing over andinstalling access rings on the botton of the wing so I can get inside toadd another 1x1" brace to the rib, I should add that I put in a 1/8"plywood doubler on the inside ribs and since I have installed a plywoodbottom on the fuel tank bay the distortion is only on the top of therib. Any thoughts please.Dick________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:07:25 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet Metal
Original Posted By: "Gary McNeel, Jr."
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet MetalThanks Mike,For deburring I like a 10 inch mill bastard file. For the stiffeners I decided to cut some .025 3/4 wide, bend 90 deg and rivet lengthwise. I've plenty laying around. Have some .025 stainless left over from firewall. Is this strong enough for the tabs on firewall to attach cowling? Made 2 sets of the cowling patterns for Dick Gillespie in Ft Myers and Jim Cooper in Abbeville. The are both nearing completion on their Gn's. Haven't seen Jim's lately but Dick's is a rare beauty. Flawless workmanship. After seeing his I was ashamed to come home to mine. Thanks again for your help and advice.Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:58:21 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet MetalThanks Mike,For deburring I like a 10 inch mill bastard file. For the stiffeners I decided to cut some .025 3/4 wide, bend 90 deg and rivet lengthwise. I've plenty laying around. Have some .025 stainless left over from firewall. Is this strong enough for the tabs on firewall to attach cowling? Made 2 sets of the cowling patterns for Dick Gillespie in Ft Myers and Jim Cooper in Abbeville. The are both nearing completion on their Gn's. Haven't seen Jim's lately but Dick's is a rare beauty. Flawless workmanship. After seeing his I was ashamed to come home to mine. Thanks again for your help and advice.Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:58:21 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Richard Navratril
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Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
The big question is - did you go up to 350 degrees?Dick----- Original Message -----
The big question is - did you go up to 350 degrees?Dick----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Losing Chris Bobka
Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
Following some comments about Fisherman, who used to be amainstay on the misc.invest newsgroups, where he was muchless abrasive and had some useful things to say about options,Kip Gardner said:> I picked up a bottle of that Elmer's Pro-Bond polyester glue just forkicks> the other day. Glued up a test piece & did a break test at our EAA chapter> meeting last night ...there was some wood fiber> separation, but most of the break was in the glue joint.There have been a couple of interesting articles about polyurethane gluesin Wooden Boat in the last few years. After a good first reaction, theyconcluded that PU glues aren't really suitable for high-stress joints thatmight need to be waterproof. However, a friend of mine swears bythem and says the only problem is that you have to get the clampingpressure just right. Too much or too little, and it gives results prettymuch as Kip describes.For my money--not that I can claim any expertise--it seems theconservative path is to avoid polyurethanes. In fact, the moreI look at the issue of glues, the more I'm inclined to improve mywoodworking and stick to resorcinol--much as I hate workingwith the stuff. There's just nothing else out there that no onehas a quarrel with.Owen Davies---Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).________________________________________________________________________________
Following some comments about Fisherman, who used to be amainstay on the misc.invest newsgroups, where he was muchless abrasive and had some useful things to say about options,Kip Gardner said:> I picked up a bottle of that Elmer's Pro-Bond polyester glue just forkicks> the other day. Glued up a test piece & did a break test at our EAA chapter> meeting last night ...there was some wood fiber> separation, but most of the break was in the glue joint.There have been a couple of interesting articles about polyurethane gluesin Wooden Boat in the last few years. After a good first reaction, theyconcluded that PU glues aren't really suitable for high-stress joints thatmight need to be waterproof. However, a friend of mine swears bythem and says the only problem is that you have to get the clampingpressure just right. Too much or too little, and it gives results prettymuch as Kip describes.For my money--not that I can claim any expertise--it seems theconservative path is to avoid polyurethanes. In fact, the moreI look at the issue of glues, the more I'm inclined to improve mywoodworking and stick to resorcinol--much as I hate workingwith the stuff. There's just nothing else out there that no onehas a quarrel with.Owen Davies---Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Richard Navratril
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Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
I've been playing around with different types of fabric cement. Icovered a mock vert fin using contact cement from Dap Weldwood.It's awater based neoprene rubber formula with no fumes like poly-tac orpoly-brush. After 24 hours this stuff seems to be sticking as good as Poly-tac. Has anyone tried anything like this? I know Cecobond is awaterbased product. I'm planning on using latex paint and would reallylike not having to deal with MEK and other toxic products. Mark McKellar( in sunny 75 degee Northeast Tx.)________________________________________________________________________________
I've been playing around with different types of fabric cement. Icovered a mock vert fin using contact cement from Dap Weldwood.It's awater based neoprene rubber formula with no fumes like poly-tac orpoly-brush. After 24 hours this stuff seems to be sticking as good as Poly-tac. Has anyone tried anything like this? I know Cecobond is awaterbased product. I'm planning on using latex paint and would reallylike not having to deal with MEK and other toxic products. Mark McKellar( in sunny 75 degee Northeast Tx.)________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Javier Cruz
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: "Javier Cruz"
All hardware was installed first. Then a stringer is glued down the centerof the belly from the firewall to the tail.The stringer tapers from 1" at the firewall to 1/4" at the tail.The stringer will keep the fabric clear of the hardware.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
All hardware was installed first. Then a stringer is glued down the centerof the belly from the firewall to the tail.The stringer tapers from 1" at the firewall to 1/4" at the tail.The stringer will keep the fabric clear of the hardware.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runup
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runupIn a message dated 7/6/2005 9:07:26 AM Central Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:Just wondering what RPM all y'all A-65 drivers use for doing your engine runup/carb heat check/mag check. 1500 RPM? 1700?I use 1500 RPM indicated for the mag drop test. Any more than that, and I have to apply considerably more pressure on the brake pedals. I checked my mechanical tach in the panel, to an electronic tach, and it reads 100 RPM too lowat 2000 RPM. I get about 50 RPM drop for each mag, and about 50 for the carb heat, too. I have new Slick Mags...well they were new when I assembled the engine, about 200 hours ago. No problems with the Slicks, so they were worth the $1000 investment.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runupIn a message dated 7/6/2005 9:07:26 AM Central Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:Just wondering what RPM all y'all A-65 drivers use for doing your engine runup/carb heat check/mag check. 1500 RPM? 1700?I use 1500 RPM indicated for the mag drop test. Any more than that, and I have to apply considerably more pressure on the brake pedals. I checked my mechanical tach in the panel, to an electronic tach, and it reads 100 RPM too lowat 2000 RPM. I get about 50 RPM drop for each mag, and about 50 for the carb heat, too. I have new Slick Mags...well they were new when I assembled the engine, about 200 hours ago. No problems with the Slicks, so they were worth the $1000 investment.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runup
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringIn a message dated 7/6/2005 6:53:35 PM Central Standard Time, javcr(at)prodigy.net.mx writes:On the fuselage bottom how did you install the fabric, just over theplaywood and after install all hardware (nuts,etc), or did you glue somestringers ( like the large piece on the sides) for cover the nuts ...On the sides , the plans show some little pieces of 1/4 x 1/8 for this, justone comment here.. did you install first all the metalic stuff , or did youcover first and install after...Javier,I didn't cover the plywood bottom of my plane. Just overlapped the corners and the aft edge, about 2". My hardware is exposed on the bottom for maintenance. I installed the hardware, like the lift strut / landing gear fittingsand the fittings on the empenage, then covered them with the fabric. I used 2.7 oz fabric on the fuselage and wing, and used 1.8 oz fabric for the ailerons and empenage.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runupDate: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:15:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringIn a message dated 7/6/2005 6:53:35 PM Central Standard Time, javcr(at)prodigy.net.mx writes:On the fuselage bottom how did you install the fabric, just over theplaywood and after install all hardware (nuts,etc), or did you glue somestringers ( like the large piece on the sides) for cover the nuts ...On the sides , the plans show some little pieces of 1/4 x 1/8 for this, justone comment here.. did you install first all the metalic stuff , or did youcover first and install after...Javier,I didn't cover the plywood bottom of my plane. Just overlapped the corners and the aft edge, about 2". My hardware is exposed on the bottom for maintenance. I installed the hardware, like the lift strut / landing gear fittingsand the fittings on the empenage, then covered them with the fabric. I used 2.7 oz fabric on the fuselage and wing, and used 1.8 oz fabric for the ailerons and empenage.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-65 runupDate: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:15:01 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: covering
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Thanks. I looked at this battery and realized it'scompletely sealed. "So what's going to leak?"asked inner child. Ah, ha, said outer adult withbig smile on face.Besides, there's NO place else to put it! :-)I don't suppose you noticed the bolt with the ceramicbit it goes through, upper left. That's Speed Queen drierelement part # RPT12 or #400-32-33. The negativewill attach to one of the oil filter bolts on the right andthen, engineside, wait a minute! I just realized. I'musing steel braided aeroquip oil lines between engine and filter. I don't have to wire the outside!
:-)Clif> > Great idea Cliff, instead of a battery box hanging on the firewall a> battery stand behind it, nice wood work.> > rick> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:35:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: covering
Thanks. I looked at this battery and realized it'scompletely sealed. "So what's going to leak?"asked inner child. Ah, ha, said outer adult withbig smile on face.Besides, there's NO place else to put it! :-)I don't suppose you noticed the bolt with the ceramicbit it goes through, upper left. That's Speed Queen drierelement part # RPT12 or #400-32-33. The negativewill attach to one of the oil filter bolts on the right andthen, engineside, wait a minute! I just realized. I'musing steel braided aeroquip oil lines between engine and filter. I don't have to wire the outside!
:-)Clif> > Great idea Cliff, instead of a battery box hanging on the firewall a> battery stand behind it, nice wood work.> > rick> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:35:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coveringPietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Clif,Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and firewallto get a wrap-around on your fabric?Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear18 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Clif,Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and firewallto get a wrap-around on your fabric?Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear18 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
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Pietenpol-List: Re: covering
Original Posted By: "Mike"
The fabric on 41CC wraps around the front, under the metal firewall. I guess youcould cement the fabric to the sides without wrapping it "around the corner"on the front though.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
The fabric on 41CC wraps around the front, under the metal firewall. I guess youcould cement the fabric to the sides without wrapping it "around the corner"on the front though.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: covering
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar,I don't think you want to have any glued fabric edges facing into the wind.Mike-----Original Message-----
Oscar,I don't think you want to have any glued fabric edges facing into the wind.Mike-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Re: covering
Original Posted By: airlion
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
space Corporation]" Those are a lot nicer than Jim Markle's horns.- ---(kidding Jim-- you know I'm pulling your chain !) Mike C.PS-- I dug thru the metal dumpster here to steal Mike P's reject horns-----they were nicer than the ones I put on my plane.le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:09:31 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
space Corporation]" Those are a lot nicer than Jim Markle's horns.- ---(kidding Jim-- you know I'm pulling your chain !) Mike C.PS-- I dug thru the metal dumpster here to steal Mike P's reject horns-----they were nicer than the ones I put on my plane.le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:09:31 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Was there a picture or link posted? I didn't see it with the post.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:54:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Was there a picture or link posted? I didn't see it with the post.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:54:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
RE: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Worked for me. I followed the PolyFiber manual and found it worked well andfabric work was one of the most enjoyable parts of building the airplane.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Worked for me. I followed the PolyFiber manual and found it worked well andfabric work was one of the most enjoyable parts of building the airplane.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
I don't post often but keep reading as this forum is really helpful. Most questionscan be answered with a search, but I have one that needs some clarification.First, I purchased my project partially complete so to some degree I have to livewith what I have (to some degree). I am finding a lot of things that I doneed to change and must say this process may be more difficult than starting fromscratch.Now for my question. My GN-1 plans show the cabanes all the same length in onespot and show the rear cabanes 3/4" longer in another place. I plotted my airfoilin cad so I could get an accurate location of the chord and determine whatangle of incidence I have.I will digress here, the wings are done and the fueslage is mostly done and I soonwill be covering so I am stuck with the wing attachment hardware unless itis really off. My measurement of the chord line and angle of incidence shows 1.71 degrees positiveangle of attack with all four cabanes the same length. (and this was theway mine were built. Actually my cabanes are 2.5" longer than plans) This takesinto account the location of the mounting hardware on the spar and its design.If I followed the other section of the plan with the the rear cabanes longerI would only have about 0.3 degrees.Can anyone out there with a GN-1 verify what the cabanes should be? I am workingfrom the hand drawn GN-1 plans.Thanks for any help.--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
I don't post often but keep reading as this forum is really helpful. Most questionscan be answered with a search, but I have one that needs some clarification.First, I purchased my project partially complete so to some degree I have to livewith what I have (to some degree). I am finding a lot of things that I doneed to change and must say this process may be more difficult than starting fromscratch.Now for my question. My GN-1 plans show the cabanes all the same length in onespot and show the rear cabanes 3/4" longer in another place. I plotted my airfoilin cad so I could get an accurate location of the chord and determine whatangle of incidence I have.I will digress here, the wings are done and the fueslage is mostly done and I soonwill be covering so I am stuck with the wing attachment hardware unless itis really off. My measurement of the chord line and angle of incidence shows 1.71 degrees positiveangle of attack with all four cabanes the same length. (and this was theway mine were built. Actually my cabanes are 2.5" longer than plans) This takesinto account the location of the mounting hardware on the spar and its design.If I followed the other section of the plan with the the rear cabanes longerI would only have about 0.3 degrees.Can anyone out there with a GN-1 verify what the cabanes should be? I am workingfrom the hand drawn GN-1 plans.Thanks for any help.--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project andthe cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entryand with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he thoughtmany of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with thewing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle isdetermined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabaneswould level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling me.doesthat make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling soI can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandleRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project andthe cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entryand with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he thoughtmany of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with thewing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle isdetermined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabaneswould level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling me.doesthat make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling soI can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandleRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
> Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Original Posted By: Richard Schreiber
I've had some experience with 6061. With a Fisher 404, used alot of it.It was 6061-T6 (pretty sure of the T6 hardness)This was shown by my mentor.Turn on an acy. torch with just the gas for a sooty yellow flame.Float the soot over the area that you want to soften, and coat it with black soot.Now here's the tricky part.Add the oxy to get a regular neutral flame. Now float the flame over the soot to erase the soot. If you linger in one spot too long, the tube melts. But if you keep it moving, with practice, you can erase all the soot.Let it cool in still air.Now all the hardness is gone and its soft like taffy.You use this if you are going to flatten a round tube, to make an end to be drilled.Now bend or flatten, or do what you have to do.When done set it aside, and in awhile (If I remember right, about 2 to 3 months) It will "age" back to a T6.Pretty amazing.walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
I've had some experience with 6061. With a Fisher 404, used alot of it.It was 6061-T6 (pretty sure of the T6 hardness)This was shown by my mentor.Turn on an acy. torch with just the gas for a sooty yellow flame.Float the soot over the area that you want to soften, and coat it with black soot.Now here's the tricky part.Add the oxy to get a regular neutral flame. Now float the flame over the soot to erase the soot. If you linger in one spot too long, the tube melts. But if you keep it moving, with practice, you can erase all the soot.Let it cool in still air.Now all the hardness is gone and its soft like taffy.You use this if you are going to flatten a round tube, to make an end to be drilled.Now bend or flatten, or do what you have to do.When done set it aside, and in awhile (If I remember right, about 2 to 3 months) It will "age" back to a T6.Pretty amazing.walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Like Jack I used the Poly fiber manual and video. Worked great and actually was fun once I got the hang of it. Started with the tail pieces since they are easy to do--Jim Lagowski in slowly warming up N. Michigan----- Original Message -----
Like Jack I used the Poly fiber manual and video. Worked great and actually was fun once I got the hang of it. Started with the tail pieces since they are easy to do--Jim Lagowski in slowly warming up N. Michigan----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine
Original Posted By: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Hey, Nice colors!walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Hey, Nice colors!walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending aluminum tubing
Original Posted By: "walt"
I silver soldered a lug to a brass 1/4" tubing ELL and mounted it to the frontspar with the bottom flush with the fabric. and tubed the wing with nylon tubing.I am thinking if I can get some brass to just bend the pitot tube from I'duse that. otherwise copper. it is soft and bends easily but I think it willbe easy to straighten if damaged and easy to replace plus it might look kindanatural on an old bird. 8 inches or so won't weigh enough more than aluminum toeven notice.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I silver soldered a lug to a brass 1/4" tubing ELL and mounted it to the frontspar with the bottom flush with the fabric. and tubed the wing with nylon tubing.I am thinking if I can get some brass to just bend the pitot tube from I'duse that. otherwise copper. it is soft and bends easily but I think it willbe easy to straighten if damaged and easy to replace plus it might look kindanatural on an old bird. 8 inches or so won't weigh enough more than aluminum toeven notice.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: goffelectric(at)comcast.net
Keith,First, how are you. Haven't talk to you in a while.I put a keel on the bottom of my fuselage which brought the covering out to not interfere with anything on the bottom. I'll take some pics and send them to you.JackSent from my iPad> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:27 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the fabric? > > Thanks,> Keith Goff> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Keith,First, how are you. Haven't talk to you in a while.I put a keel on the bottom of my fuselage which brought the covering out to not interfere with anything on the bottom. I'll take some pics and send them to you.JackSent from my iPad> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:27 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the fabric? > > Thanks,> Keith Goff> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Jack, can you share the keel photo with the group? Thanks. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, "Jack" wrote:> > Keith,> First, how are you. Haven't talk to you in a while.> I put a keel on the bottom of my fuselage which brought the covering out to not interfere with anything on the bottom. I'll take some pics and send them to you.> Jack> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:27 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:>> >> Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the fabric? >> >> Thanks,>> Keith Goff> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Jack, can you share the keel photo with the group? Thanks. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, "Jack" wrote:> > Keith,> First, how are you. Haven't talk to you in a while.> I put a keel on the bottom of my fuselage which brought the covering out to not interfere with anything on the bottom. I'll take some pics and send them to you.> Jack> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:27 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:>> >> Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the fabric? >> >> Thanks,>> Keith Goff> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By:> "Jack"
Been a rough ride so far. About 10 hours flying with several problems. I should have it running again today and hopefully fixed. We'll see. Sometime I'll fill you in. Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:26 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Jack,> > I'm good and I hope you are as well. I hope your fight testing is going smoothly, I'm looking forward to seeing your plane at Twin Lakes. Thanks for your input.> > Keith Goff>
Been a rough ride so far. About 10 hours flying with several problems. I should have it running again today and hopefully fixed. We'll see. Sometime I'll fill you in. Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:26 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Jack,> > I'm good and I hope you are as well. I hope your fight testing is going smoothly, I'm looking forward to seeing your plane at Twin Lakes. Thanks for your input.> > Keith Goff>
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I left mine flat. I covered and then stuck the bolts through after. This gives access to the nuts for maintenance and such. Mike GroahSent from my iPad> On Aug 17, 2015, at 9:27 AM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the fabric? > > Thanks,> Keith Goff> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________
I left mine flat. I covered and then stuck the bolts through after. This gives access to the nuts for maintenance and such. Mike GroahSent from my iPad> On Aug 17, 2015, at 9:27 AM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the fabric? > > Thanks,> Keith Goff> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: John Fastnaught
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringKeith, consider adding a large belly access panel on the rear fuselageabout 1/2 way back from the seat back to the tailwheel. The cables for therear wheel come through this hole. It is basically a hole in thefabrick Simply framed in with wood thick enough to run screws into. NOFRAME IS TAKEN OUT. Two pieces of frame cross the open area, one directlyacross the other diagonal. I can basically stick my head in one hole andmy arm in another. Makes access to the rear much easier. I covered it withvery thin aluminium flashing from the aviation department at Lowes. Thisflashing came painted white and in a roll about 20 yards long and 24 incheswide. It will cut with sturdy scissors or I used a sharp knife and astraight edge. It creases easily. It was cheap enough that I used it topractice with and make the first bad template and then made the second thatI used. I covered the.Poor photos attached. Please ignore the temporary pulley. It was replacedwith a fairlead.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote:> Jack, can you share the keel photo with the group?>> Thanks.>> Scott Knowlton.>> Sent from my iPhone>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, "Jack" wrote:>> Keith,> First, how are you. Haven't talk to you in a while.> I put a keel on the bottom of my fuselage which brought the covering out> to not interfere with anything on the bottom. I'll take some pics and send> them to you.> Jack>> Sent from my iPad>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:27 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:>> Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the> bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the> bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the> fabric?>> Thanks,> Keith Goff>>> *>>> *>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringKeith, consider adding a large belly access panel on the rear fuselageabout 1/2 way back from the seat back to the tailwheel. The cables for therear wheel come through this hole. It is basically a hole in thefabrick Simply framed in with wood thick enough to run screws into. NOFRAME IS TAKEN OUT. Two pieces of frame cross the open area, one directlyacross the other diagonal. I can basically stick my head in one hole andmy arm in another. Makes access to the rear much easier. I covered it withvery thin aluminium flashing from the aviation department at Lowes. Thisflashing came painted white and in a roll about 20 yards long and 24 incheswide. It will cut with sturdy scissors or I used a sharp knife and astraight edge. It creases easily. It was cheap enough that I used it topractice with and make the first bad template and then made the second thatI used. I covered the.Poor photos attached. Please ignore the temporary pulley. It was replacedwith a fairlead.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote:> Jack, can you share the keel photo with the group?>> Thanks.>> Scott Knowlton.>> Sent from my iPhone>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, "Jack" wrote:>> Keith,> First, how are you. Haven't talk to you in a while.> I put a keel on the bottom of my fuselage which brought the covering out> to not interfere with anything on the bottom. I'll take some pics and send> them to you.> Jack>> Sent from my iPad>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:27 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:>> Anyone that has left the bottom of their fuselage flat, did you put the> bolts in for things like rudder pedals or landing gear then cover over the> bolts? Or did you cover the flat bottom then put those bolts in through the> fabric?>> Thanks,> Keith Goff>>> *>>> *>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning kneeboard charts
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Hey,A long time ago someone here told me about a website where you could chartyour cross country flight and then print it in small kneeboard sizedsections with your route marked on it. I used it, it was great but can'tremember it now.Does anyone know this site??ThanksDouwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:03:00 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning kneeboard charts
Hey,A long time ago someone here told me about a website where you could chartyour cross country flight and then print it in small kneeboard sizedsections with your route marked on it. I used it, it was great but can'tremember it now.Does anyone know this site??ThanksDouwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:03:00 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning kneeboard charts
RE: Pietenpol-List: flight planning kneeboard charts
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
It was Aeroplanner, which used to be free to EAA members. Unfortunatelythey stopped offering it as a free service and last month they went out ofbusiness altogetherJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
It was Aeroplanner, which used to be free to EAA members. Unfortunatelythey stopped offering it as a free service and last month they went out ofbusiness altogetherJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By:> "Steven Dortch"
Keith and other Pieters,Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Keith and other Pieters,Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By:> "Steven Dortch"
Keith and other Pieters,Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Keith and other Pieters,Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By:> "Steven Dortch"
Keith and other Pieters,Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Keith and other Pieters,Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By:> "Steven Dortch" On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:> > That's a great idea, thanks!> > Keith>
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By:> * *"Steven Dortch"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringgot It Looking good.Steve DOn Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Fastnaught John wrote:> Keith and other Pieters,> Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:>> That's a great idea, thanks!>> Keith>> ------------------------------
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringgot It Looking good.Steve DOn Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Fastnaught John wrote:> Keith and other Pieters,> Here are some pics of the keel on the =9CBabe.=9D>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 8:58 PM, goffelectric(at)comcast.net wrote:>> That's a great idea, thanks!>> Keith>> ------------------------------
Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
Original Posted By: goffelectric(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringKeith, you are firing blanks.Steve DOn Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM, wrote:>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:25:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coveringKeith, you are firing blanks.Steve DOn Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM, wrote:>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:25:44 +0000 (UTC)