Original Posted By: "KenGailGriff"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: InsurancePieters,Is there such a thing as liabity coverage for a Piet? If any of you have it I would appreciate the name and number of a company. I have covered a little elevator and rudder, charged the brakes and will call my test pilot today to execute some naked taxiing. The steerable scott should be enough to control itCorky in La still waiting to hear from the Fedman. ( Two weeks, no letter, no phone call)________________________________________________________________________________
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Corky, I have liability insurance on my homebuilt ultralight through AVEMCOInsurance. 1 800 276 5207 www.avemco.com My coverage is limited to$100,000.00 Per accident and $50,000.00 property damage and $50,000.00personal injury. That is not as much coverage as I would like but it was allthey would sell me. They also had hull insurance but I did not check intoit. The premium is $225.00 per year, it was more last year but I am on my3rd year with them and I have not had any claims. Be sure you tell themeverything truthfully because if you do not they will not pay your claim.For example they know my ultralight is too heavy to be legal and they knowthat it's stall speed is 3MPH faster than allowed. I am sure they willinsure your Piet if you are qualified to fly it. If you want them to coveryour test pilot you will have to tell them. They seem to be reasonablepeople.Wayne McIntosh Lafayette, IN----- Original Message -----
Corky, I have liability insurance on my homebuilt ultralight through AVEMCOInsurance. 1 800 276 5207 www.avemco.com My coverage is limited to$100,000.00 Per accident and $50,000.00 property damage and $50,000.00personal injury. That is not as much coverage as I would like but it was allthey would sell me. They also had hull insurance but I did not check intoit. The premium is $225.00 per year, it was more last year but I am on my3rd year with them and I have not had any claims. Be sure you tell themeverything truthfully because if you do not they will not pay your claim.For example they know my ultralight is too heavy to be legal and they knowthat it's stall speed is 3MPH faster than allowed. I am sure they willinsure your Piet if you are qualified to fly it. If you want them to coveryour test pilot you will have to tell them. They seem to be reasonablepeople.Wayne McIntosh Lafayette, IN----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: OT - But aircraft related
Original Posted By: Gary McNeel, Jr.
In the same edition of the Flying & Glider manual as the Piet are the plansfor a "penguin," a flightless bird that nontheless has all of the sameparts. I have always wanted to build one for kids (and adults) to learn tofly in without leaving the ground (these were used in WWI for just thatpurpose). Looks a lot like a Piet, if you are not too far along, you mightthink of one. As for fabric, I don't see why regular cotton bedsheetwouldn't work. As long as it is cotton, it would shrink with a coat ofdope, then use your house paint.Gene----- Original Message -----
In the same edition of the Flying & Glider manual as the Piet are the plansfor a "penguin," a flightless bird that nontheless has all of the sameparts. I have always wanted to build one for kids (and adults) to learn tofly in without leaving the ground (these were used in WWI for just thatpurpose). Looks a lot like a Piet, if you are not too far along, you mightthink of one. As for fabric, I don't see why regular cotton bedsheetwouldn't work. As long as it is cotton, it would shrink with a coat ofdope, then use your house paint.Gene----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Michael D Cuy"
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Original Posted By: "John Dilatush"
JohnAre you an EAA or AOPA member? It may make a difference.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
JohnAre you an EAA or AOPA member? It may make a difference.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Richard Navratil"
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Original Posted By: "Malcolm Morrison"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsurancePieters,AOPA Avemco refused me flatly which I hope I remember when renewal time comes around. EAA uses Falcon and they took me without too much quarrel. $540 for 1 million liab plus not in motion hull coverage for $15000 value.I asked Falcon several months ago if I could expect them to drop me when and IF this Sport Pilot ever comes around. He said NO. All I would need is a sign-off by my instructor pilot for tail wheel and bi annual. I'll believe allof this when it actually happens.Try Falcon thru EAA, it's about our only chance.Corky in La flying his creation like a bird until a front moved thru today.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsurancePieters,AOPA Avemco refused me flatly which I hope I remember when renewal time comes around. EAA uses Falcon and they took me without too much quarrel. $540 for 1 million liab plus not in motion hull coverage for $15000 value.I asked Falcon several months ago if I could expect them to drop me when and IF this Sport Pilot ever comes around. He said NO. All I would need is a sign-off by my instructor pilot for tail wheel and bi annual. I'll believe allof this when it actually happens.Try Falcon thru EAA, it's about our only chance.Corky in La flying his creation like a bird until a front moved thru today.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Gang,A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regardingcurrent insurance rates. My plane was down for two years butis now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-BrownInsurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa.1985 Grega GN-1HangeredHull All Risk - $10,000Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in MotionLiability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passengerMedical Coverage - $3,000 per seatApproved for Pleasure and businessAnnual Premium - $560.00Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance CompanyThanks for all your input. I hope this might help some buildersout there.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas, Texas________________________________________________________________________________
Gang,A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regardingcurrent insurance rates. My plane was down for two years butis now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-BrownInsurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa.1985 Grega GN-1HangeredHull All Risk - $10,000Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in MotionLiability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passengerMedical Coverage - $3,000 per seatApproved for Pleasure and businessAnnual Premium - $560.00Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance CompanyThanks for all your input. I hope this might help some buildersout there.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas, Texas________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Mike King
Mike,What are you using to turn the prop?Alex Sloan ----- Original Message -----
Mike,What are you using to turn the prop?Alex Sloan ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Alex Sloan
I asked that same question a couple weeks ago and never got an answer... maybetwo "askers" might get an answer.:)DJ ----- Original Message -----
I asked that same question a couple weeks ago and never got an answer... maybetwo "askers" might get an answer.:)DJ ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sorry guys. I guess that one got by me.My GN-1 came to me (I'm the fifth owner) with a McCauley 69x39metal prop on an A-80 Cont.The original builder had a wooden 72x42 Univair prop. The thirdowner put the currentprop on it.Bottom line, I want to change it back to the larger wooden 72x42prop for better performance.I believe that and installing gap seals will make it even moreresponsive.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas-----Original Message-----
Sorry guys. I guess that one got by me.My GN-1 came to me (I'm the fifth owner) with a McCauley 69x39metal prop on an A-80 Cont.The original builder had a wooden 72x42 Univair prop. The thirdowner put the currentprop on it.Bottom line, I want to change it back to the larger wooden 72x42prop for better performance.I believe that and installing gap seals will make it even moreresponsive.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceMike...One thing to keep in mind is that the A-80 was designed to get its 80 hp at 2700 rpm. If you put that longer prop with 42 pitch...it will probably not turn up enough RPMs to make 80 hp. My guess is that it will probably only makeabout 2300 rpm static with the 72-42. You'll get the best takeoff performancefrom a prop that will allow the engine make near the 2700 RPM as rated.Terry________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceMike...One thing to keep in mind is that the A-80 was designed to get its 80 hp at 2700 rpm. If you put that longer prop with 42 pitch...it will probably not turn up enough RPMs to make 80 hp. My guess is that it will probably only makeabout 2300 rpm static with the 72-42. You'll get the best takeoff performancefrom a prop that will allow the engine make near the 2700 RPM as rated.Terry________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Terry,Mr. Ray Hegy of Hegy Propellers and the folks at Sensenich woodenpropellersin Plant City, Florida said based on the A-80 engine, theyrecommended a 72x42. The 69x39 metal prop on it now was installed by the third ownerbecause hebroke the 72x42 wooden one and replaced it with one he alreadyhad.From what I gather, the 69" prop on it now is not putting out thethrust a longer72" prop would. Maybe some other guys out there with A-80 engines have some goodinputas well.Thanks Terry and again, what a great time at your place at TickHill. We haveto do it again.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas-----Original Message-----
Terry,Mr. Ray Hegy of Hegy Propellers and the folks at Sensenich woodenpropellersin Plant City, Florida said based on the A-80 engine, theyrecommended a 72x42. The 69x39 metal prop on it now was installed by the third ownerbecause hebroke the 72x42 wooden one and replaced it with one he alreadyhad.From what I gather, the 69" prop on it now is not putting out thethrust a longer72" prop would. Maybe some other guys out there with A-80 engines have some goodinputas well.Thanks Terry and again, what a great time at your place at TickHill. We haveto do it again.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Yeah but the A-80 engine does make more power at all RPMs because the compressionis higher and the carb venturi and jets are a little bigger, most other thingsbeing equal. The important think to note is that the W72CK42 prop as typicallyused on the Taylorcraft, Cub, Champ, Chief. etc. that are powered by theA-65 is limited to 65 hp and 2350 or so RPM. To say again the W72CK42 is limitedto 65 hp. The prop maker would have to know the hp/rpms involved so theproper wood cantilevered beam structure is present in the propeller. This isall per the sensenich type certificate data page you can find where airplane typecertificate data sheets are found on the faa website.My W76CK42 prop is good to 90 hp. My W70DK42 is good to 80 hp. There are RPMlimits that come with these but I forget what they are except that they correspondwith the RPM limits of the appropriate A and/or C series continentals ofthose hps.chris bobka ----- Original Message -----
Yeah but the A-80 engine does make more power at all RPMs because the compressionis higher and the carb venturi and jets are a little bigger, most other thingsbeing equal. The important think to note is that the W72CK42 prop as typicallyused on the Taylorcraft, Cub, Champ, Chief. etc. that are powered by theA-65 is limited to 65 hp and 2350 or so RPM. To say again the W72CK42 is limitedto 65 hp. The prop maker would have to know the hp/rpms involved so theproper wood cantilevered beam structure is present in the propeller. This isall per the sensenich type certificate data page you can find where airplane typecertificate data sheets are found on the faa website.My W76CK42 prop is good to 90 hp. My W70DK42 is good to 80 hp. There are RPMlimits that come with these but I forget what they are except that they correspondwith the RPM limits of the appropriate A and/or C series continentals ofthose hps.chris bobka ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Control system
Original Posted By: HOEVELMANN
James asked:Q: What holds the torque tube down at the front and rear of the plane that allowsit to rotate.A: Look at Drawing No.4 of the plans (1934 version), over in the Control StickDetails (top left-hand side) it shows a drawing of the bearing and collars thatare used in the front and back. The back doesn't have a collar. Sometimesyou will see reference to people needing a shim under the front bearing to getit to line up. This is because some of us forget to put the slope in the mountingplate as is shown in the drawing. I made it flat and cut a shim to glueunder it. Easier to weld that way.Q: Also what size tubing and pulleys would you recommendA: Plans say 7/8" OD 20 ga. I used 7/8"OD 0.035 Wall 4130. NOTE: Make sure yourcollar and bearing tubing's ID is 7/8". This wall thickness may be a bit lightbut it's the same as others use. Pulleys are 2" (It calls for 2" Formicapulleys on the Rear View of Rear Torque Tube Bearing drawing (same sheet, sameplace). Some people don't like this small of pulley but it seems to work ok.Good luckChris T.Sacramento, CA ----- Original Message -----
James asked:Q: What holds the torque tube down at the front and rear of the plane that allowsit to rotate.A: Look at Drawing No.4 of the plans (1934 version), over in the Control StickDetails (top left-hand side) it shows a drawing of the bearing and collars thatare used in the front and back. The back doesn't have a collar. Sometimesyou will see reference to people needing a shim under the front bearing to getit to line up. This is because some of us forget to put the slope in the mountingplate as is shown in the drawing. I made it flat and cut a shim to glueunder it. Easier to weld that way.Q: Also what size tubing and pulleys would you recommendA: Plans say 7/8" OD 20 ga. I used 7/8"OD 0.035 Wall 4130. NOTE: Make sure yourcollar and bearing tubing's ID is 7/8". This wall thickness may be a bit lightbut it's the same as others use. Pulleys are 2" (It calls for 2" Formicapulleys on the Rear View of Rear Torque Tube Bearing drawing (same sheet, sameplace). Some people don't like this small of pulley but it seems to work ok.Good luckChris T.Sacramento, CA ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: Ryan Michalkiewicz
I have $1,000,000 liability and $9,000 hull for a total of $1,300 per year.dick N. ----- Original Message -----
I have $1,000,000 liability and $9,000 hull for a total of $1,300 per year.dick N. ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello Ben
Original Posted By:> Ryan Michalkiewicz
Nothing planned this weekend. We'll have the pancake breakfast on 6/2 as usual.I'm working on getting the seat belts attached. Everything is in but the pilotshoulder harness. I'm attaching them to the tailpost and I've been thinking/planning/buildingit for about 3 weeks now. I spend a lot more time thinkingof how to do something than I do actually doing it. Of course the plans don'tshow any seat belts at all....I bought a Continental A 65 from the chapter and I've been going through it. Iguess you can actually get insurance on a Corvair after all.. maybe I shouldhave kept the 3 cores I sold for $150.I'm off the weekend of 6/2, so keep in touch.Ben>
Nothing planned this weekend. We'll have the pancake breakfast on 6/2 as usual.I'm working on getting the seat belts attached. Everything is in but the pilotshoulder harness. I'm attaching them to the tailpost and I've been thinking/planning/buildingit for about 3 weeks now. I spend a lot more time thinkingof how to do something than I do actually doing it. Of course the plans don'tshow any seat belts at all....I bought a Continental A 65 from the chapter and I've been going through it. Iguess you can actually get insurance on a Corvair after all.. maybe I shouldhave kept the 3 cores I sold for $150.I'm off the weekend of 6/2, so keep in touch.Ben>
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Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
This may not be good to say in such polite company, but I don't have insurance on 41CC. I insured it for the first year that I owned it, liability coverage, but after coverage lapsed (post-noseover) I never renewed it and am "going barefoot". I had no problem getting it insured when I did, though. I got it through Falcon and they were really great to deal with.Let the flames begin.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________________________________________________________
This may not be good to say in such polite company, but I don't have insurance on 41CC. I insured it for the first year that I owned it, liability coverage, but after coverage lapsed (post-noseover) I never renewed it and am "going barefoot". I had no problem getting it insured when I did, though. I got it through Falcon and they were really great to deal with.Let the flames begin.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceOscar,I don't think I will get insurance on my Piet either. Hull coverage is WAY too much money, and I am just sick of paying paying paying insurance bills. Iam going to "throw caution to the wind" and play my hand. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceOscar,I don't think I will get insurance on my Piet either. Hull coverage is WAY too much money, and I am just sick of paying paying paying insurance bills. Iam going to "throw caution to the wind" and play my hand. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
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Original Posted By: "walt evans"
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Original Posted By: Greg Chapman
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You must be a member of EAA, be current (license, medical and current in theairplane being used) and you must carry passenger liability (amountunspecified). If you carry at least $100,000 per seat of liability, you areAUTOMATICALLY covered for an additional $1,000,000 by EAA when flying YoungEagles. I think it's the best thing EAA has going.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
You must be a member of EAA, be current (license, medical and current in theairplane being used) and you must carry passenger liability (amountunspecified). If you carry at least $100,000 per seat of liability, you areAUTOMATICALLY covered for an additional $1,000,000 by EAA when flying YoungEagles. I think it's the best thing EAA has going.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 crank in a 65
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
At Oshkosh, Don Swords of Don's Dream Machines will be giving a forum onsmall Continental engines in the Cub Club Forum. Don owns the STC forputting the o-200 crankshaft in the C-85/90 case. He will give all thehorsepower and torque figures for stock and modified engines. The modifiedc85's numbers are much higher than a stock o-200. The o-200 crank will notfit in a A65/75 case. If you have a small Cont., don't miss this one. Itgives a good boost without any weight gain. Harold (Big Piet builder) has a J3 Cub with one of these engines in it andthe performance is unbelievable. On the other hand I have a 0-200 with c85pistons and rods in it (much longer stroke and higher compression ratio dueto wrist pin hole in lower location) and a c85 cam (long duration and highlift) this modification dynos 123 hp. I have almost 600 hours on this oneand my last compression was 79/80 on 3 cylinders and 77/80 on the 4th. Thedown side is that I cannot run auto fuel in it, only 100LL. Barry-----Original Message-----
At Oshkosh, Don Swords of Don's Dream Machines will be giving a forum onsmall Continental engines in the Cub Club Forum. Don owns the STC forputting the o-200 crankshaft in the C-85/90 case. He will give all thehorsepower and torque figures for stock and modified engines. The modifiedc85's numbers are much higher than a stock o-200. The o-200 crank will notfit in a A65/75 case. If you have a small Cont., don't miss this one. Itgives a good boost without any weight gain. Harold (Big Piet builder) has a J3 Cub with one of these engines in it andthe performance is unbelievable. On the other hand I have a 0-200 with c85pistons and rods in it (much longer stroke and higher compression ratio dueto wrist pin hole in lower location) and a c85 cam (long duration and highlift) this modification dynos 123 hp. I have almost 600 hours on this oneand my last compression was 79/80 on 3 cylinders and 77/80 on the 4th. Thedown side is that I cannot run auto fuel in it, only 100LL. Barry-----Original Message-----
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Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance> Since moving into the hangar I contacted my Allstate insurance > agent to find > out about coverage for my almost an airplane. I wasn certain if it > woul be > considered an airplane or content. They were going to contact home > office > and get back to me,still waiting.....> > So the question in my mind is at what point does it become an > airplane? Like > everyone else I too am highly protective of my thousands of hours > of work > and up to date accomplishments and would like to bind appropriate > coverage > for all non act of God perils.> > Anyone have any suggestions or is that a carrier and or EAA question?> > I would doubt the leesor would have any coverage beyond structure > to protect > its assets.> > So how would I protect mine. Allstate says if its content it could > be > covered under my homeowners policy but that would be more content > and pay > only for base materials since its not an airplane yet> > When it becomes an airplane it would have a policy similar to an > auto or > motor vehicle policy.> > As a project its neither an airplane nor a pile of lumber.> > I am interested to learn the legal aspects of it and anyone elses > experience > in this area.> > Not wanting to admit it but I am perplexed and concerned about > other > remnants in my row> > Please advise> > John> > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance> Since moving into the hangar I contacted my Allstate insurance > agent to find > out about coverage for my almost an airplane. I wasn certain if it > woul be > considered an airplane or content. They were going to contact home > office > and get back to me,still waiting.....> > So the question in my mind is at what point does it become an > airplane? Like > everyone else I too am highly protective of my thousands of hours > of work > and up to date accomplishments and would like to bind appropriate > coverage > for all non act of God perils.> > Anyone have any suggestions or is that a carrier and or EAA question?> > I would doubt the leesor would have any coverage beyond structure > to protect > its assets.> > So how would I protect mine. Allstate says if its content it could > be > covered under my homeowners policy but that would be more content > and pay > only for base materials since its not an airplane yet> > When it becomes an airplane it would have a policy similar to an > auto or > motor vehicle policy.> > As a project its neither an airplane nor a pile of lumber.> > I am interested to learn the legal aspects of it and anyone elses > experience > in this area.> > Not wanting to admit it but I am perplexed and concerned about > other > remnants in my row> > Please advise> > John> > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "amsafetyc(at)aol.com"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceSince moving into the hangar I contacted my Allstate insurance agent to find out about coverage for my almost an airplane. I wasn certain if it woul be considered an airplane or content. They were going to contact home office and get back to me,still waiting.....So the question in my mind is at what point does it become an airplane? Like everyone else I too am highly protective of my thousands of hours of work and up to date accomplishments and would like to bind appropriate coverage for all non act of God perils.Anyone have any suggestions or is that a carrier and or EAA question?I would doubt the leesor would have any coverage beyond structure to protect its assets.So how would I protect mine. Allstate says if its content it could be covered under my homeowners policy but that would be more content and pay only for base materials since its not an airplane yetWhen it becomes an airplane it would have a policy similar to an auto or motor vehicle policy.As a project its neither an airplane nor a pile of lumber.I am interested to learn the legal aspects of it and anyone elses experience in this area.Not wanting to admit it but I am perplexed and concerned about other remnants in my rowPlease adviseJohnSent via DROID on Verizon Wireless________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceSince moving into the hangar I contacted my Allstate insurance agent to find out about coverage for my almost an airplane. I wasn certain if it woul be considered an airplane or content. They were going to contact home office and get back to me,still waiting.....So the question in my mind is at what point does it become an airplane? Like everyone else I too am highly protective of my thousands of hours of work and up to date accomplishments and would like to bind appropriate coverage for all non act of God perils.Anyone have any suggestions or is that a carrier and or EAA question?I would doubt the leesor would have any coverage beyond structure to protect its assets.So how would I protect mine. Allstate says if its content it could be covered under my homeowners policy but that would be more content and pay only for base materials since its not an airplane yetWhen it becomes an airplane it would have a policy similar to an auto or motor vehicle policy.As a project its neither an airplane nor a pile of lumber.I am interested to learn the legal aspects of it and anyone elses experience in this area.Not wanting to admit it but I am perplexed and concerned about other remnants in my rowPlease adviseJohnSent via DROID on Verizon Wireless________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
John,Your homeowners insurance excludes aircraft and aircraft parts. You need to contact the EAA insurance program.They have coverage available for projects in progress. I believe a few other companies also offer this coverage.Perry RhoadsPiet N12939 ----- Original Message -----
John,Your homeowners insurance excludes aircraft and aircraft parts. You need to contact the EAA insurance program.They have coverage available for projects in progress. I believe a few other companies also offer this coverage.Perry RhoadsPiet N12939 ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: "amsafetyc(at)aol.com"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceJust for reference. I have a 1948 V tail bonanza. It is currently being hangered/storedin a flight school hanger. They requested that I have insurance. I wasable to get it insured for hull and all for $1000 per year. That is whetheror not it is flying or in the hanger. (it was only $50 less for non flying insurance.)That is about as cheap as my auto insurance for my 4 cars. Having said that IfI rolled my old plane up in a ball it is worth about $20,000 in today's depressedmarket. At one point it was worth just under $60,000. "Vintage" airplanes have recovered even less than the regular airplane market.Blue Skies,Steve PS Today a group of Cessna pilots will do a "low level" fly around Enid, OK. ClydeCessna was an Overland car salesman in Enid and built his first plane here.He learned to fly and tested his plane NW of here at the Great Salt Planes.Taking off and crashing 12 times before having a successful flight on his 13thtry. He was going to fly this plane at it's first public exhibition in Enid on4 July 100 years ago. But he did not have the plane ready as fast as he thoughthe would (sound familiar? ) The flight of Cessnas will include a 140, 150, 152, 172, 177, 182 and a 337. ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceJust for reference. I have a 1948 V tail bonanza. It is currently being hangered/storedin a flight school hanger. They requested that I have insurance. I wasable to get it insured for hull and all for $1000 per year. That is whetheror not it is flying or in the hanger. (it was only $50 less for non flying insurance.)That is about as cheap as my auto insurance for my 4 cars. Having said that IfI rolled my old plane up in a ball it is worth about $20,000 in today's depressedmarket. At one point it was worth just under $60,000. "Vintage" airplanes have recovered even less than the regular airplane market.Blue Skies,Steve PS Today a group of Cessna pilots will do a "low level" fly around Enid, OK. ClydeCessna was an Overland car salesman in Enid and built his first plane here.He learned to fly and tested his plane NW of here at the Great Salt Planes.Taking off and crashing 12 times before having a successful flight on his 13thtry. He was going to fly this plane at it's first public exhibition in Enid on4 July 100 years ago. But he did not have the plane ready as fast as he thoughthe would (sound familiar? ) The flight of Cessnas will include a 140, 150, 152, 172, 177, 182 and a 337. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
We never carried hull on any airplane we've owned. My dad didn't either. When you put an airplane on floats your rates go sky high. About 6% of hull value or more. 50yrs of flying and 1 accident with substantial damage (very substantial) I think we're ahead of the game=2C but that's just my opinion. Most are not comfortable with it. Don't carry collision on my cars either. But=2C they're not worth much--lolDoug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
We never carried hull on any airplane we've owned. My dad didn't either. When you put an airplane on floats your rates go sky high. About 6% of hull value or more. 50yrs of flying and 1 accident with substantial damage (very substantial) I think we're ahead of the game=2C but that's just my opinion. Most are not comfortable with it. Don't carry collision on my cars either. But=2C they're not worth much--lolDoug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By:> Doug Dever
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance> I agree. I've owned 3 airplanes plus the Piet now under > construction and I've never carried hull insurance either. I think > liability insurance is mandatory, but not hull.> ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance> I agree. I've owned 3 airplanes plus the Piet now under > construction and I've never carried hull insurance either. I think > liability insurance is mandatory, but not hull.> ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Once I bought my engine (Rotec radial) I wanted to have coverage.- so my projectis covered by Avemco for about $350 a year. It's worth a dollar a day to me.I am covered for $35,000 which may sound insane for a Pietenpol but the engineis about $18,000 of that and I've paid to have all my welding done professinly.I do not want to come home to a burned down condo but at least if I do mythree years of work and $$ would be covered....... IMHO--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Once I bought my engine (Rotec radial) I wanted to have coverage.- so my projectis covered by Avemco for about $350 a year. It's worth a dollar a day to me.I am covered for $35,000 which may sound insane for a Pietenpol but the engineis about $18,000 of that and I've paid to have all my welding done professinly.I do not want to come home to a burned down condo but at least if I do mythree years of work and $$ would be covered....... IMHO--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Re: Pietenpol-List: high altitude Piet
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
That should say professionally....! [Embarassed]--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 16:21:47 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: high altitude Piet
That should say professionally....! [Embarassed]--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 16:21:47 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: high altitude Piet
Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
I agree. I've owned 3 airplanes plus the Piet now under construction and I've never carried hull insurance either. I think liability insurance is mandatory, but not hull. ----- Original Message -----
I agree. I've owned 3 airplanes plus the Piet now under construction and I've never carried hull insurance either. I think liability insurance is mandatory, but not hull. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control consultantfor an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our larger commercialaccounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side, but our agents do write policiesfor aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes. They write any airplaneall the way back to 1903. There is no required level of insurance to carry,not even liability. Unless a specific locale might require it. Non-movementhull insurance can be purchased for a "not finished" homebuilt. The premiumreally isn't too bad and you either purchase an "agreed value" or you can purchasean amount that is equivalent to your receipts as long as a total loss wouldnot exceed a set amount. Insurance can get complicated but there are somegood policies out there and for a small investment it's not a bad idea. In additionto having liability coverage, I know when I head out into storm countryin a couple of weeks and leave it out at night under trees, it's nice to knowI have that non-movement hull coverage that is pretty reasonably priced. "Inmovement" hull coverage, however, is pretty pricey for homebuilts and can behard to justify.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control consultantfor an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our larger commercialaccounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side, but our agents do write policiesfor aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes. They write any airplaneall the way back to 1903. There is no required level of insurance to carry,not even liability. Unless a specific locale might require it. Non-movementhull insurance can be purchased for a "not finished" homebuilt. The premiumreally isn't too bad and you either purchase an "agreed value" or you can purchasean amount that is equivalent to your receipts as long as a total loss wouldnot exceed a set amount. Insurance can get complicated but there are somegood policies out there and for a small investment it's not a bad idea. In additionto having liability coverage, I know when I head out into storm countryin a couple of weeks and leave it out at night under trees, it's nice to knowI have that non-movement hull coverage that is pretty reasonably priced. "Inmovement" hull coverage, however, is pretty pricey for homebuilts and can behard to justify.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Original Posted By: Charles Campbell
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceI usually have no insurance on my plane either, unless I am looking to fly youngeagles. However, in this case I insured it so that if for some reason therewas an accident the people kindly storing my plane would be covered. Blue Skies,Steve ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: InsuranceI usually have no insurance on my plane either, unless I am looking to fly youngeagles. However, in this case I insured it so that if for some reason therewas an accident the people kindly storing my plane would be covered. Blue Skies,Steve ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
My homeowners policy covers materials, tools, equipment... everything. Until itbecomes an actual airplane all of these things are considered stored items thatI will be reimbursed for in the event of a loss. Gotta love USAA... if youare eligible I would recommend them.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
My homeowners policy covers materials, tools, equipment... everything. Until itbecomes an actual airplane all of these things are considered stored items thatI will be reimbursed for in the event of a loss. Gotta love USAA... if youare eligible I would recommend them.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Like Don, I carry Liability and Ground Hull insurance on my Pietenpol. Youaren't allowed to participate in EAA Young Eagle flights if you don't haveLiability insurance, and ground hull is quite cheap. I have my insurancewith Falcon, the EAA's carrier. Cost is a little over $400 per year.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Like Don, I carry Liability and Ground Hull insurance on my Pietenpol. Youaren't allowed to participate in EAA Young Eagle flights if you don't haveLiability insurance, and ground hull is quite cheap. I have my insurancewith Falcon, the EAA's carrier. Cost is a little over $400 per year.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Original Posted By:> EmchAir(at)aol.com
Don=2CNice fact to know. I did not realize there was such a thing.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Don=2CNice fact to know. I did not realize there was such a thing.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
Re: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Hi Ken,I used 4130. Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Hi Ken,I used 4130. Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
Original Posted By: "Jack"
I made mine from 0.090" 4130 sheet.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I made mine from 0.090" 4130 sheet.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ken,"Jack" as in Textor? I used Vi Kapler's cast aluminum hinges. I believeJim Markle used the type of hinge you are describing.JackDSMJack TextorDes Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
Ken,"Jack" as in Textor? I used Vi Kapler's cast aluminum hinges. I believeJim Markle used the type of hinge you are describing.JackDSMJack TextorDes Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Hello Ben
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello Ben> > Ben, I am sorry we didn't make it up there. I still would like to see your projectsometime. Is your chapter planning somthing for Memorial Day?> > -Ryan> > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http: ... te.asp?a=7 hot CTA = Join Yahoo!'s user panel> ________________________________________________________________________________
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello Ben> > Ben, I am sorry we didn't make it up there. I still would like to see your projectsometime. Is your chapter planning somthing for Memorial Day?> > -Ryan> > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http: ... te.asp?a=7 hot CTA = Join Yahoo!'s user panel> ________________________________________________________________________________