Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Jack, mine is also $400 per year. I had a claim when my hangar collapsed on thePiet about 6 years ago. Somewhere around $8,000. Very simple, they asked meto write up an estimate at a reasonable hourly rate plus materials. That wasmy estimate. Overall it worked out very well.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:00:27 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Sorry, I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that many buildershave routed their fuselage members, so there likely won't be a lot of feedbackto your question. I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander off of center).One small slip, and you're into re-building, rather than building. I'mnot convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey, there's a pun) the risks.I imagine that the weight savings are minimal, and the actual doing of the worksounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse assembled). Additionally,routing WILL weaken the structure, so you really have to be careful wherethe routing is done, to ensure that critical components are not compromised.I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none).Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:32:11 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Sorry, I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that many buildershave routed their fuselage members, so there likely won't be a lot of feedbackto your question. I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander off of center).One small slip, and you're into re-building, rather than building. I'mnot convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey, there's a pun) the risks.I imagine that the weight savings are minimal, and the actual doing of the worksounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse assembled). Additionally,routing WILL weaken the structure, so you really have to be careful wherethe routing is done, to ensure that critical components are not compromised.I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none).Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:32:11 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base plate that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your fuselage side. Mike GroahSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:> Hi All:> > I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center, and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center line on the rest of the members.> > I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went one edge of the Box Bit...> > So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...> > I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight (maybe a very little bit....)> > Suggestions?> > Thanks.> > Mark> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base plate that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your fuselage side. Mike GroahSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:> Hi All:> > I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center, and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center line on the rest of the members.> > I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went one edge of the Box Bit...> > So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...> > I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight (maybe a very little bit....)> > Suggestions?> > Thanks.> > Mark> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested the plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the wing spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments? ----- Original Message -----
Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested the plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the wing spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments? ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and thentrying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep someof the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strengthcaused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door.Or you could just build it to the plans.One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverlyincorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbinginto the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can beaccomodated, saving the pilot from having to say "I'm sorry, there's no waythis airplane can lift you off the ground."Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and thentrying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep someof the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strengthcaused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door.Or you could just build it to the plans.One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverlyincorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbinginto the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can beaccomodated, saving the pilot from having to say "I'm sorry, there's no waythis airplane can lift you off the ground."Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
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Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Tom:I was going to fly inverted from 88C to Brodhead behind a Ford, Piet 40 Miles.Since you aren't showing I will do it the conventional way. Either way it is ashame that you can't be with the tall tale guys.Pieti LowellDon't archiveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats
Tom:I was going to fly inverted from 88C to Brodhead behind a Ford, Piet 40 Miles.Since you aren't showing I will do it the conventional way. Either way it is ashame that you can't be with the tall tale guys.Pieti LowellDon't archiveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats