Pietenpol-List: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:21 am

Original Posted By: shad bell
Shad, I really like the looks of your Piet.- Mine will be very similar.- Is that a Cloudcars prop?- I have put a deposit on one.- Would you mind giving some performance info, including RPM at various flight conditions?- Looks like it will do well.- Chuck----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:03 pm

Original Posted By: Walter Allen

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:22 pm

Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:55 pm

Original Posted By: wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com
Hey=2C Wayne=2C why don't you make yourself known??? We woulda shared food=2C stories=2C booze=2C etc. The photo #25 is one of me giving my little boy a ride in Jack Phillips' airplane!! Could you send me a better version of the photo so I can blow it up?? He had the time of his life=2C and even though he has helped me from time to time since he was two=2C he is really fired up to finish ours after having rides on multiple occasions in two different Piets (Jack's and John Hoffman's).Wish we'd seen you=2C have fun at Oshkosh=2C we just got back to Virginia and resting!!!Gene RamboDate: Sun=2C 24 Jul 2011 21:14:03 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:06 pm

Original Posted By:> wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com
High-res versions for anyone who wants one!I was in and out real quick trying to get north. I wanted to get there earlier, but traffic killed that.I'm real sorry I missed you guys. I keep walking by Jack's Piet here at OSH, but haven't seen him yet.Axel is parked in the vintage area, of all places. :)Wayne BresslerTaildraggers, Inc.www.taildraggersinc.comOn Jul 25, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:> Hey, Wayne, why don't you make yourself known??? We woulda shared food, stories, booze, etc. The photo #25 is one of me giving my little boy a ride in Jack Phillips' airplane!! Could you send me a better version of the photo so I can blow it up?? He had the time of his life, and even though he has helped me from time to time since he was two, he is really fired up to finish ours after having rides on multiple occasions in two different Piets (Jack's and John Hoffman's).> > Wish we'd seen you, have fun at Oshkosh, we just got back to Virginia and resting!!!> > Gene Rambo> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:14:03 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:21 pm

Original Posted By: shad bell
Shad, I really like the looks of your Piet. Mine will be very similar. Is that a Cloudcars prop? I have put a deposit on one. Would you mind giving some performance info, including RPM at various flight conditions? Looks like it will do well. Chuck ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:22 pm

Original Posted By: "Dave Abramson"
Here is a picture I took at Lee-Bottom last year. It helped me make up my mind that I wanted to build a Piet. Where do you keep her, Indiana?Scott--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#347775le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:22 pm

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Here is a picture I took at Lee-Bottom last year. It helped memake up my mind that I wanted to build a Piet. Where do you keep her,Indiana? Scott -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... forums.mat - List Contribution Web Site; &nb;http://www.=====================________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:40 am

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Michael,Would you do us a favor and post photos on your website. You do a great job withyour photos, and a picture is worth a thousand words. If you could show set#1 and set #2 so we can see the difference, that would be a huge help. I want to make my 1st set like your 2nd set! ;0)--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:47 am

Original Posted By: Wayne Bressler
Bill,That is a great photo of 18 years of aviation advances sitting next to the 1911Pusher. It kind of puts aviation technology in the Golden Age in its proper perspective.Like I said, Shad, a great photo. Thanks for posting it.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pics

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:47 am

Original Posted By:>> wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com
Hey guys, a couple of folks gave emailed me off list about high-res pics. I am out if the hotel a lot this week, so I will get them sent as soon as I can. I don't mind the requests, I just want to make sure I let everyone know that I'm working slow this week due to OSH.Thanks,Wayne BresslerTaildraggers, Inc.www.taildraggersinc.comOn Jul 25, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Wayne Bressler wrote:> High-res versions for anyone who wants one!> > I was in and out real quick trying to get north. I wanted to get there earlier, but traffic killed that.> > I'm real sorry I missed you guys. I keep walking by Jack's Piet here at OSH, but haven't seen him yet.> > Axel is parked in the vintage area, of all places.

> > Wayne Bressler> Taildraggers, Inc.> www.taildraggersinc.com> > On Jul 25, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:> >> Hey, Wayne, why don't you make yourself known??? We woulda shared food, stories, booze, etc. The photo #25 is one of me giving my little boy a ride in Jack Phillips' airplane!! Could you send me a better version of the photo so I can blow it up?? He had the time of his life, and even though he has helped me from time to time since he was two, he is really fired up to finish ours after having rides on multiple occasions in two different Piets (Jack's and John Hoffman's).>> >> Wish we'd seen you, have fun at Oshkosh, we just got back to Virginia and resting!!!>> >> Gene Rambo>> >> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:14:03 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:17 am

Original Posted By: Walter Allen
Wayne,Thanks for posting these images...! The perfect down home fly-in.........--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:20:28 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:08 am

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:15 am

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Bill forgot to mention Dan Helsper and his beautiful Model A powered Piet beingin attendance as well. This was a really great flyi-in this year. I didn'ttake nearly as many photos but I did spend a lot more time meeting and gettingto know the good people on the list who make an event like this more of a reunionrather than just a bunch of nice airplanes showing up for a long weekend.Can't wait for next year!--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Report!

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:31 am

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
How the heck did I forget to mention Dan's Model A powered black and yellow beauty?That is one fantastic Pietenpol. I just love that color scheme he came upwith.BC(waiting for Gene to comment)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:34:35 +0000 (UTC)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:22 pm

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Here is a picture I took at Lee-Bottom last year. It helped me make up my mindthat I wanted to build a Piet. Where do you keep her, Indiana?Scott--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wil Graff

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:24 pm

Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Hi Larry,Unfortunately Will did pass away. I believe about a year and a half ago. He wasa great guy. Too bad. I believe it was cancer. George Jenkins has his Pietnow. In Pennsylvania.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:06 pm

Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:10 pm

Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Billy, I'm hoping that you will have another "new" Piet to look at next year -- mine. I have just about finished the right wing, have all the tail surfaces finished, and the fuselage is about 1/2 finished. Think I'll make it? I certainly hope, if the plane is finished and the test hours flown off, that I can arrange to be there next year. Chuck----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:36 pm

Original Posted By: shad bell

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:00 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Shad, do you know the story behind the 1911 pusher? Who built it, howlong it took, how it flys???? Love those old airplanes!!!Dave -----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:21 pm

Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Dave,here is their website---------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:58:05 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:38 am

Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:31 am

Original Posted By: mark lee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:26 am

Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Thank you for posting the pics! I was curious as to find out more about the picI have attached. Is that a Piet and is it the front or rear cockpit? The controlstick doesnt go forward so it makes me think its the forward seat but a lotof controls if it is?I was looking at all the leg room!Can anyone else fill me in on this one?Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5982 ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:57 am

Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
Scotty, That is Bill Liimatainen's Sky Scout, beautiful one place Piet,based at Brodhead.Skip> Can anyone else fill me in on this one?>> Scotty________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead pictures

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:54 am

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Fuselage frame, ready to cover. $1,000. Tail group, covered, $1200Steerable tailwheel assembly, $500Miscellaneous small piecesAll this came from a flying airplane with about 200 hrs on it. (865) 963-6978wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:26 am

Original Posted By: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Here is a link to a very good discussion by Bob Coolbaugh of the flying characteristicsof the 1911 Curtiss Pusher---------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:34 pm

Original Posted By: "ldmill"
This is so awesome... I want one!DerekRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:36 pm

Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Here's another pic of a dfferent Pusher and Piet. Took this pic on the way to Gardner,Kansas several months ago. The pusher is the only known flying replica(5/8 scale) of a French built Voison. The Voison was responsible for the firstair-air victory ever in WW1. It shot down a German plane. The replica cruisesat 50mph and was scratch designed/built by Corey Butcher of State Center, Iowa- using Smithsonian plans as a starting point - within 2 years start to finish.It uses a Geo Metro 3 cylinder engine.Lorin--------Lorin MillerWaiex N81YXGN-1 N30PPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: video over Brodhead

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Thanks for posting - it's beyond words and makes me pine for the day...I guess that kind of "simple flight" experience is what draws us to the Piet......!Wonderful....................--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:42:09 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:55 pm

Original Posted By: Jim Markle

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:10 pm

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Good to hear that the return home was uneventful, Matt. I think you had your shareof drama at the beginning of your journey. And I must say it was a pleasureto meet the man behind the inspirational series of articles from a few yearsago. I am sure that there are many other builders out there that were also inspiredby your writing.Must have been quite a feeling of satisfaction to land your Piet at both Brodheadand Oshkosh, after a decade of building and dreaming.In case there are some who have not read Matt's series of articles yet, here arethe links:http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/1826 ... 1.htmlBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Few short Brodhead videos...

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:17 pm

Original Posted By: "Baldeagle"
Thank you everyone for your responses. I really like this project and it willmove me light years ahead in the build process. I am going back Monday to "makea deal" I hope. The workmanship looks great, this guy is an A&P/IA and restoresclassic airplanes. He was working on rebuilding the wooded wings on a BeechStagger Wing when I visited him today. Thanks again. Blue skies & warm tailwinds,DonatoRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:23 pm

Original Posted By: Jim Markle
The Curtiss made it home to Virginia on Tuesday, we have about 100 hours on itnow. Since last November it's been from its home in New Market, VA, to Norfolk,VA, to New York City, then to Oshkosh and back, with many stops along the way.Here's a shot of it at 4,000 feet over SW Pennsylvania on Tuesday morning:Unfortunately I only had a cell phone camera in the Taylorcraft, but a neat shotanyway.Also, a note about the engine, don't be confused by measuring an engine by horsepower,the C-125 actually puts out about the same foot-pounds of torque as theoriginal Curtiss engine, which was a 402 cubic inch V-8. So the thrust, andperformance of the airplane, are very close to the original. Remember, a CurtissJenny weighs 1,920 lbs. gross and is powered by a 90 hp OX-5 (504 cubic inches),a C-90 probably wouldn't even get a Jenny off the ground.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:39:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:39 pm

Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
The new home for Will's Piet:http://www.eaglesmereairmuseum.org/Will and Frank Pavliga and I flew a lot of miles together-Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: brake cables

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:24 am

Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... OTORS:1123 JackDSM________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:39 am

Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
In the first video you can see the "Johnson Airspeed Indicator" on the strut thatBob purchased from me, cool!--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:37:46 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:12 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yes, according to the drawings I have, the A65, A75 and the C75, C85 andC90-12 all use the same mounts. Upper mounts are 7" apart, lower mounts are10-1/2" apart and the vertical spacing of the mounts is 11-9/16" for allthese engines. The O-200 uses the same spacing but the mounts aredifferent. The C90-14, C90-16 and O-200 use Lord bushings in the enginemount, all the earlier models use the standard conical bushings like the A65used.So go for it, Dan. Put that C85 in your Pietenpol and get the best of bothworlds - Corvair like power (better, actually since it doesn't need to turnso fast and can swing a longer prop) and Continental reliabilityJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:41 pm

Original Posted By: mark lee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:00 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
An A65 weighs 167 lbs. A C85 weighs 182 lbs without starter or generator.A Corvair weighs somewhere between 210 and 220 lbs and generates 100 -120hp. However, that horsepower is not as usable as the hp produced at lowerrpm by the Continental. Lower RPM for the same power implies higher torque and the ability to swinga larger diameter prop and move a larger column of air. This is exactly whya Curtiss OX-5 engine which only produced 90 hp could fly something as heavyas a Curtiss Jenny, weighing over 1900 lbs. I doubt if a Corvair could geta Jenny off the ground (nor could a C85) where the OX-5, generating its 90hp at only 1400 rpm could swing a large prop and make very effective use ofits limited horsepower.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:36 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
.or, for a more scientific test and results, one could read this:http://www.flycorvair.com/thrust.html Gary

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:43 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
.or, for a more scientific test and results:http://www.flycorvair.com/thrust.html Gary

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Original Posted By: shad bell
> > Here are some pics of the pusher> > Shad________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:59:14 -0700 (PDT)

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