Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
http://www.rotecengines.com/Projects/Ja ... .htmlLet's try THIS link........ sorry.......................--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 hour drive, soI wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a thing withit, so it seems I would just take it apart there and return home with the pieces.I have no idea what tools I'd need or how to get it from my van to the tablein the hanger.I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years and focuson the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?Thank you in advance for your suggestions.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 hour drive, soI wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a thing withit, so it seems I would just take it apart there and return home with the pieces.I have no idea what tools I'd need or how to get it from my van to the tablein the hanger.I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years and focuson the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?Thank you in advance for your suggestions.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
John,Go - Go -Go!!! I can't say whether or not your wife would enjoy it - mine came for the meals at the one we hosted here 6-7 yrs. ago (#7 or 8, I forget) & enjoyed visiting with people, but would have probably been bored by the workshop portions. Maybe there is something nearby she could go see or do - you sure as heck won't need the car. I doubt you'll leave for much more than sleeping & that's overrated
By all means take your engine - there will be tools & help a-plenty. Even if all you do is take it apart, you will have accomplished a lot more than you might realize now & will gain a huge amount of knowledge about YOUR engine that will help you get it back together correctly. To go without taking your engine would make the experience much less than it could be. Take whatever basic hand tools you have (wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers, the like), a cordless drill, maybe some wire wheels for the drill, deadblow hammer or rubber mallet - whatever you have & have room to take.Most of all, prepare to have a lot of fun & the enjoyment of working beside both experts and others like yourself who are living the dream. It's a fantastic experience, not matter how you look at it.Kip GardnerOn Oct 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Pocono John wrote:> >>> What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 > hour drive, so I wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.>> I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a > thing with it, so it seems I would just take it apart there and > return home with the pieces. I have no idea what tools I'd need or > how to get it from my van to the table in the hanger.>> I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years > and focus on the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?>> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:42:19 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
John,Go - Go -Go!!! I can't say whether or not your wife would enjoy it - mine came for the meals at the one we hosted here 6-7 yrs. ago (#7 or 8, I forget) & enjoyed visiting with people, but would have probably been bored by the workshop portions. Maybe there is something nearby she could go see or do - you sure as heck won't need the car. I doubt you'll leave for much more than sleeping & that's overrated
By all means take your engine - there will be tools & help a-plenty. Even if all you do is take it apart, you will have accomplished a lot more than you might realize now & will gain a huge amount of knowledge about YOUR engine that will help you get it back together correctly. To go without taking your engine would make the experience much less than it could be. Take whatever basic hand tools you have (wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers, the like), a cordless drill, maybe some wire wheels for the drill, deadblow hammer or rubber mallet - whatever you have & have room to take.Most of all, prepare to have a lot of fun & the enjoyment of working beside both experts and others like yourself who are living the dream. It's a fantastic experience, not matter how you look at it.Kip GardnerOn Oct 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Pocono John wrote:> >>> What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 > hour drive, so I wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.>> I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a > thing with it, so it seems I would just take it apart there and > return home with the pieces. I have no idea what tools I'd need or > how to get it from my van to the table in the hanger.>> I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years > and focus on the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?>> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:42:19 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
Original Posted By: Ryan M
While I can agree with a lot of what Ryan says, I also feel that there is a definite benefit to doing the disassembly at a CC. I didn't, and even though I had read WW's manual through several times, I still made a few mistakes, fortunately, none costly. What you'll get from the CC are two huge benefits. One, the "psych" factor is great - it will really help pump you up for moving your project forward. Second, there is a huge pool of knowledge among the participants at these events that will help you regardless of what stage you are at, and you will learn things that neither the manuals or any video covers. I guess I'm different from young whippersnappers like Ryan in that I think face to face encounters are much more valuable than any electronic medium (I also avoid texting & tweeting, so I guess I'm officially an old fart). I can't argue with Ryan's logic regarding the staging of construction, and it may be a better allocation of your time & money to start on the airframe at this point, but if you have the option, I'd still say get thee to a CC ASAP, and defer any work on your engine until you can take it with you. Gardineier's advice about cleaning it up is good - I'd recommend a heavy cleanup with Gunk, etc. just prior to going to a CC. Don't do it too far ahead - all that accumulated grease is still helping inhibit rust
.Kip GardnerOn Oct 29, 2011, at 2:23 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> John,>> CC's are a fun time, and there is plenty to learn. However, as you > have not yet ordered any wood for the Piet, and all you would be > accomplishing is a teardown of an engine that you won't be needing > for quite some time, I would pass on this CC. You can take the money > you will spend on gas, food, and lodging and invest in wood so you > can actually start building. You'll also keep from souring your wife > on the whole idea of the airplane after dragging her on a 26 hour > round trip cross country drive just so you can do something you can > accomplish right there in your own garage.>> Tearing down a Corvair is not that difficult. To do it successfully > you just need to take your time, and use the right tool/method for > the various situations you encounter. Get William's manual and read > the disassembly section....pick up a copy of the Green Manual and > have that on hand for reference. William even sells a disassembly > DVD to give you a better idea of how it all comes apart before you > wade in to it. And be patient....if you are taking it apart and run > into a snag that requires a different tool/penetrating oil/method > that you will have to run out and pick up, just stop there until you > can get what you need. Get all excited and impatient and just do > whatever it takes to get past the issue and you can end up causing > yourself more money and hassle down the road reworking something you > damaged because you couldn't wait a day. Besides, it will take > longer to build your airframe and get it to the point of hanging the > engine than it will to overhaul said engine....don't rush it.>> As I said, CC's are a great resource, are plenty of fun, and very > inspirational and informative. However, if all you will be doing is > disassembling the engine or cleaning parts, and it will be that far > of a trip for you, I would save the money and accomplish those basic > tasks on your own. Save your trip for when you are ready to assemble > (or find one closer). The next one ought to be in Hillsdale, MI, > maybe that would be a little closer....>> Ryan>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner > wrote:> >>> John,>> Go - Go -Go!!! I can't say whether or not your wife would enjoy it > - mine came for the meals at the one we hosted here 6-7 yrs. ago (#7 > or 8, I forget) & enjoyed visiting with people, but would have > probably been bored by the workshop portions. Maybe there is > something nearby she could go see or do - you sure as heck won't > need the car. I doubt you'll leave for much more than sleeping & > that's overrated By all means take your engine - there will be > tools & help a-plenty. Even if all you do is take it apart, you > will have accomplished a lot more than you might realize now & will > gain a huge amount of knowledge about YOUR engine that will help you > get it back together correctly. To go without taking your engine > would make the experience much less than it could be. Take whatever > basic hand tools you have (wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers, the > like), a cordless drill, maybe some wire wheels for the drill, > deadblow hammer or rubber mallet - whatever you have & have room to > take.>> Most of all, prepare to have a lot of fun & the enjoyment of working > beside both experts and others like yourself who are living the > dream. It's a fantastic experience, not matter how you look at it.>> Kip Gardner>>> On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Pocono John wrote:>> >>> What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 > hour drive, so I wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.>> I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a > thing with it, so it seems I would just take it apart there and > return home with the pieces. I have no idea what tools I'd need or > how to get it from my van to the table in the hanger.>> I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years > and focus on the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?>> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 229#356229>>> ===================================> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ===================================> http://forums.matronics.com> ===================================> le, List Admin.> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ===================================>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
While I can agree with a lot of what Ryan says, I also feel that there is a definite benefit to doing the disassembly at a CC. I didn't, and even though I had read WW's manual through several times, I still made a few mistakes, fortunately, none costly. What you'll get from the CC are two huge benefits. One, the "psych" factor is great - it will really help pump you up for moving your project forward. Second, there is a huge pool of knowledge among the participants at these events that will help you regardless of what stage you are at, and you will learn things that neither the manuals or any video covers. I guess I'm different from young whippersnappers like Ryan in that I think face to face encounters are much more valuable than any electronic medium (I also avoid texting & tweeting, so I guess I'm officially an old fart). I can't argue with Ryan's logic regarding the staging of construction, and it may be a better allocation of your time & money to start on the airframe at this point, but if you have the option, I'd still say get thee to a CC ASAP, and defer any work on your engine until you can take it with you. Gardineier's advice about cleaning it up is good - I'd recommend a heavy cleanup with Gunk, etc. just prior to going to a CC. Don't do it too far ahead - all that accumulated grease is still helping inhibit rust
.Kip GardnerOn Oct 29, 2011, at 2:23 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> John,>> CC's are a fun time, and there is plenty to learn. However, as you > have not yet ordered any wood for the Piet, and all you would be > accomplishing is a teardown of an engine that you won't be needing > for quite some time, I would pass on this CC. You can take the money > you will spend on gas, food, and lodging and invest in wood so you > can actually start building. You'll also keep from souring your wife > on the whole idea of the airplane after dragging her on a 26 hour > round trip cross country drive just so you can do something you can > accomplish right there in your own garage.>> Tearing down a Corvair is not that difficult. To do it successfully > you just need to take your time, and use the right tool/method for > the various situations you encounter. Get William's manual and read > the disassembly section....pick up a copy of the Green Manual and > have that on hand for reference. William even sells a disassembly > DVD to give you a better idea of how it all comes apart before you > wade in to it. And be patient....if you are taking it apart and run > into a snag that requires a different tool/penetrating oil/method > that you will have to run out and pick up, just stop there until you > can get what you need. Get all excited and impatient and just do > whatever it takes to get past the issue and you can end up causing > yourself more money and hassle down the road reworking something you > damaged because you couldn't wait a day. Besides, it will take > longer to build your airframe and get it to the point of hanging the > engine than it will to overhaul said engine....don't rush it.>> As I said, CC's are a great resource, are plenty of fun, and very > inspirational and informative. However, if all you will be doing is > disassembling the engine or cleaning parts, and it will be that far > of a trip for you, I would save the money and accomplish those basic > tasks on your own. Save your trip for when you are ready to assemble > (or find one closer). The next one ought to be in Hillsdale, MI, > maybe that would be a little closer....>> Ryan>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner > wrote:> >>> John,>> Go - Go -Go!!! I can't say whether or not your wife would enjoy it > - mine came for the meals at the one we hosted here 6-7 yrs. ago (#7 > or 8, I forget) & enjoyed visiting with people, but would have > probably been bored by the workshop portions. Maybe there is > something nearby she could go see or do - you sure as heck won't > need the car. I doubt you'll leave for much more than sleeping & > that's overrated By all means take your engine - there will be > tools & help a-plenty. Even if all you do is take it apart, you > will have accomplished a lot more than you might realize now & will > gain a huge amount of knowledge about YOUR engine that will help you > get it back together correctly. To go without taking your engine > would make the experience much less than it could be. Take whatever > basic hand tools you have (wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers, the > like), a cordless drill, maybe some wire wheels for the drill, > deadblow hammer or rubber mallet - whatever you have & have room to > take.>> Most of all, prepare to have a lot of fun & the enjoyment of working > beside both experts and others like yourself who are living the > dream. It's a fantastic experience, not matter how you look at it.>> Kip Gardner>>> On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Pocono John wrote:>> >>> What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 > hour drive, so I wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.>> I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a > thing with it, so it seems I would just take it apart there and > return home with the pieces. I have no idea what tools I'd need or > how to get it from my van to the table in the hanger.>> I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years > and focus on the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?>> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 229#356229>>> ===================================> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ===================================> http://forums.matronics.com> ===================================> le, List Admin.> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ===================================>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:57:13 -0700 (PDT)Pietenpol-List: Re: If you've been to Corvair College...
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
John - I think Ryan's right. You should probably focus on getting started on theairplane. There will likely be a college closer to you when the timing makesmore sense.Full disclosure: I haven't actually been to a college. I do, however, fly thetar out of a corvair piet that I built.I want to attend a college, and will, but I haven't had the opportunity yet. Kipand Gardiner have both attended, sounds like, and I believe their reviews,and I've heard nothing but good things myself. I just think you may want to spendyour resources on other things right now. Three hours away would be a no-brainer.Thirteen hours is a long trip.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:01:30 -0500
John - I think Ryan's right. You should probably focus on getting started on theairplane. There will likely be a college closer to you when the timing makesmore sense.Full disclosure: I haven't actually been to a college. I do, however, fly thetar out of a corvair piet that I built.I want to attend a college, and will, but I haven't had the opportunity yet. Kipand Gardiner have both attended, sounds like, and I believe their reviews,and I've heard nothing but good things myself. I just think you may want to spendyour resources on other things right now. Three hours away would be a no-brainer.Thirteen hours is a long trip.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:01:30 -0500
RE: Pietenpol-List: thermalling in a Piet
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Very cool, Dan! As an interesting aside, I sold my Sensenich propeller(after I got my Cloudcars prop) to Joe "Pops" Dory, to put on hisTaylorcraft. That's not the prop shown in the video.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Very cool, Dan! As an interesting aside, I sold my Sensenich propeller(after I got my Cloudcars prop) to Joe "Pops" Dory, to put on hisTaylorcraft. That's not the prop shown in the video.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: thermalling in a Piet
Original Posted By: