Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Hey Jack, You and me both man! I've been waiting a long time to see thisone!!I'm hoping/planning/striving to get her done early in the summer. Most whatis left is fiddly stuff, but that takes one guy a long time to do,especially when work stops while you wait for a cotter pin from ACS(kidding, but you know what I mean).Seriously doubt Brodhead this year, but it is a remote possibility. We'dhave to see how many bugs need working out and how comfortable I feel doinga cross country that soon.Thanks for asking, and for all your advise over the years.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Pietenpol-List: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Hi Guys,Here are some pics from my rebuild back in the year 2000. This coming March 31stwill be the 40th anniversary of its first flight. I don't know how many Ican post or if there will be any trouble viewing them. So lets give this a try.I can post some more if this works.Enjoy--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Hi Guys,Here are some pics from my rebuild back in the year 2000. This coming March 31stwill be the 40th anniversary of its first flight. I don't know how many Ican post or if there will be any trouble viewing them. So lets give this a try.I can post some more if this works.Enjoy--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Scott,Interesting pics. Thanks for sharing.Noticed a few unique details - like external elevator horns, for one. But I'm scratchingmy head trying to figure out what the black tubular structure on theside is (circled in attached photo).Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n11m ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Scott,Interesting pics. Thanks for sharing.Noticed a few unique details - like external elevator horns, for one. But I'm scratchingmy head trying to figure out what the black tubular structure on theside is (circled in attached photo).Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n11m ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
Ah, This will be fun. Yes those are the elevator horns on the outside to giveit the old timey look like the Jennies. It also freed up the space behind therear seat for a baggage area. The black stick on the side is a Johnson bartype brake. Note the rubber pad on the bottom. Dad used to have trouble keepingthe plane from moving and the tower was getting upset about it when they toldhim to hold short. He came up with the idea to solve that problem. I canhold it from creeping clear up to 1200 RPM. I hardly ever use it. I do my runups while taxing and I have figured out that if I keep the air pressure inthe tires low enough to where they look half flat I have no problem stopping orholding short. It is on a separate pivot point then the control horn.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ah, This will be fun. Yes those are the elevator horns on the outside to giveit the old timey look like the Jennies. It also freed up the space behind therear seat for a baggage area. The black stick on the side is a Johnson bartype brake. Note the rubber pad on the bottom. Dad used to have trouble keepingthe plane from moving and the tower was getting upset about it when they toldhim to hold short. He came up with the idea to solve that problem. I canhold it from creeping clear up to 1200 RPM. I hardly ever use it. I do my runups while taxing and I have figured out that if I keep the air pressure inthe tires low enough to where they look half flat I have no problem stopping orholding short. It is on a separate pivot point then the control horn.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Scott,Tell us a little about your rims and hubs. Where did you find them?Greg CardinalMinneapolis----- Original Message -----
Scott,Tell us a little about your rims and hubs. Where did you find them?Greg CardinalMinneapolis----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "Chris"
Good one. Check this out from the days of dirt.Clif The black stick on the side is a Johnson bar type brake. Note the rubber pad on the bottom. Dad used to have trouble keeping the plane from moving and the tower was getting upset about it when they told him to hold short. He came up with the idea to solve that problem. > Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>________________________________________________________________________________
Good one. Check this out from the days of dirt.Clif The black stick on the side is a Johnson bar type brake. Note the rubber pad on the bottom. Dad used to have trouble keeping the plane from moving and the tower was getting upset about it when they told him to hold short. He came up with the idea to solve that problem. > Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem
Original Posted By: "bender"
My wheels were made and sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the 1920's. Hayeshad about 3 different sizes. They are drop center wheels not the clincher type.You will notice that there are 3 rows of spokes. The outside row gives themthe strength for the side loads induced by aircraft. I have 300 x16" motorcycletires on them. The spokes are straight laced meaning that they don't crosslike a motorcycle wheel does. I am told that because of this I cannot putdisc brakes on it. Others have said the hub would have the ability to spin outif there was a braking load applied to them. I'm not sure about that and havenot tried it. A friend of ours had them hanging on the wall above his couch in his living room.He said we could have them if we would use them. This was back in 1970. These are the only wheels that have been on this plane. They have worked outvery well for us.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem
My wheels were made and sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the 1920's. Hayeshad about 3 different sizes. They are drop center wheels not the clincher type.You will notice that there are 3 rows of spokes. The outside row gives themthe strength for the side loads induced by aircraft. I have 300 x16" motorcycletires on them. The spokes are straight laced meaning that they don't crosslike a motorcycle wheel does. I am told that because of this I cannot putdisc brakes on it. Others have said the hub would have the ability to spin outif there was a braking load applied to them. I'm not sure about that and havenot tried it. A friend of ours had them hanging on the wall above his couch in his living room.He said we could have them if we would use them. This was back in 1970. These are the only wheels that have been on this plane. They have worked outvery well for us.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Like Don and others, I find 13691 to be the perfect exampleof an Air Camper and what we all aspire to. So clean, sosimple, so perfect in all her lines. And would you just zoomin on the tailwheel and notice the dried grass still hangingfrom the tail skid? Sigh. This is what Pietenpoling trulyis all about.I miss my airplane. June can't come soon enough, when I willmake my way down to Texas to retrieve Scout.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/ ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Like Don and others, I find 13691 to be the perfect exampleof an Air Camper and what we all aspire to. So clean, sosimple, so perfect in all her lines. And would you just zoomin on the tailwheel and notice the dried grass still hangingfrom the tail skid? Sigh. This is what Pietenpoling trulyis all about.I miss my airplane. June can't come soon enough, when I willmake my way down to Texas to retrieve Scout.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/ ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Scott -What airfoil section does your Air Camper use?I'm having a hard time envisioning that center section matching up smoothly withwings having any of the usual suspects, namely, Pietenpol FC-10, Clark Y, USA35B, USA 27, NACA 4412, NACA 2412, Riblett 612, and Riblett 613.5.Incidentally, y'all can find find plots of a great many airfoil sections (though not the FC-10 nor any Riblett sections) here: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/ ... se.htmlAnd find out which airplanes use which sections (including the FC-10 and various Riblett sections) here: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~akmitra/ ... ------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Scott -What airfoil section does your Air Camper use?I'm having a hard time envisioning that center section matching up smoothly withwings having any of the usual suspects, namely, Pietenpol FC-10, Clark Y, USA35B, USA 27, NACA 4412, NACA 2412, Riblett 612, and Riblett 613.5.Incidentally, y'all can find find plots of a great many airfoil sections (though not the FC-10 nor any Riblett sections) here: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/ ... se.htmlAnd find out which airplanes use which sections (including the FC-10 and various Riblett sections) here: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~akmitra/ ... ------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: "Mild Bill"
Well, that's sad, even if the appearance was pretty far removed from the classicModel A powered Air Camper.--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Well, that's sad, even if the appearance was pretty far removed from the classicModel A powered Air Camper.--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
That's odd.The Piper Cub reportedly started with a standard USA 35B airfoil, but the airfoilwas later modified - in 1943 according to some sources, but my March, 1941Aero Digest Annual Digest states "USA 35B modified airfoil section."At any rate, the modification was apparently only to the upper surface, slightlyraising the contour so the peak is at 9.36% of chord above the chord line ratherthan 9%. Here's a drawing of the modified airfoil (the dimensions are ininches rather than percentages of chord):http://www.supercubproject.com/drawings ... 184.pdfThe characteristic undercamber of the original USA 35B is still there. It's notmuch, but I thought it would show up more clearly in those gorgeous picturesyou posted. Even when I hold a straight edge up to the screen I can't really makeout any deviation along the rib bottoms in that last picture.--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:32:39 -0800 (PST)
That's odd.The Piper Cub reportedly started with a standard USA 35B airfoil, but the airfoilwas later modified - in 1943 according to some sources, but my March, 1941Aero Digest Annual Digest states "USA 35B modified airfoil section."At any rate, the modification was apparently only to the upper surface, slightlyraising the contour so the peak is at 9.36% of chord above the chord line ratherthan 9%. Here's a drawing of the modified airfoil (the dimensions are ininches rather than percentages of chord):http://www.supercubproject.com/drawings ... 184.pdfThe characteristic undercamber of the original USA 35B is still there. It's notmuch, but I thought it would show up more clearly in those gorgeous picturesyou posted. Even when I hold a straight edge up to the screen I can't really makeout any deviation along the rib bottoms in that last picture.--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:32:39 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Terry,I totally forgot to send you more pics of my door. If you look at the last picyou will see a little of it on the R/S of the Fuse. We get in and out of myplane on the R/S. I don't know why we do. Maybe from flying Cubs so much. Any way I am suppose to fly down to French Valley tomorrow to visit their EAAgroup and their Piet. I will try to take some more detailed pics then. Did you end up purchasing the steel tube project?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:34:17 -0800 (PST)
Terry,I totally forgot to send you more pics of my door. If you look at the last picyou will see a little of it on the R/S of the Fuse. We get in and out of myplane on the R/S. I don't know why we do. Maybe from flying Cubs so much. Any way I am suppose to fly down to French Valley tomorrow to visit their EAAgroup and their Piet. I will try to take some more detailed pics then. Did you end up purchasing the steel tube project?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:34:17 -0800 (PST)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage
Original Posted By: SKIP GADD
Terry,Please email me at (pietman(at)qnet.com) I will then reply to you with all the picsto took this morning. Your fuse looks great.Regards,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:35:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Terry,Please email me at (pietman(at)qnet.com) I will then reply to you with all the picsto took this morning. Your fuse looks great.Regards,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:35:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00)