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Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Might be you've discovered a new vortex generatingsystem. Better get it patented, quick!ClifNot a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill Dan, I think we are all contemplating this. I have always been under the impression that the aft edge of LE plywood should be unsupported between the ribs to allow for a smooth airflow transition. Greg ________________________________________________________________________________
Might be you've discovered a new vortex generatingsystem. Better get it patented, quick!ClifNot a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill Dan, I think we are all contemplating this. I have always been under the impression that the aft edge of LE plywood should be unsupported between the ribs to allow for a smooth airflow transition. Greg ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "John Fay"
There was also a Vega powered Piet and don't forget Mountain Piet with the turbo Subaru.There is one being built in Minneapolis in which a Honda V-6 is being planned.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
There was also a Vega powered Piet and don't forget Mountain Piet with the turbo Subaru.There is one being built in Minneapolis in which a Honda V-6 is being planned.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: John Fay
I think a few years back the Pietenpol newsletter featured =9CPoplar Piet=9D. The guy had cut down his own trees for building the airframe and was using a GMC =9CIron Duke=9D for the power plant.Ralph in SD________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 07:08:06 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
I think a few years back the Pietenpol newsletter featured =9CPoplar Piet=9D. The guy had cut down his own trees for building the airframe and was using a GMC =9CIron Duke=9D for the power plant.Ralph in SD________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 07:08:06 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
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Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Quite a few years back a fellow had flown his Escort powered Pietenpol in from back east, I think, with no problems. The next day he was going to do some demonstration flights and although it fired right up it wouldn=99t come up to full speed. I watched them remove the carb on the field and they found a small piece of tape in the carb. It made a big impression on me, in fact I never use tape on anything related to any engine operating system.Ralph in SD________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Quite a few years back a fellow had flown his Escort powered Pietenpol in from back east, I think, with no problems. The next day he was going to do some demonstration flights and although it fired right up it wouldn=99t come up to full speed. I watched them remove the carb on the field and they found a small piece of tape in the carb. It made a big impression on me, in fact I never use tape on anything related to any engine operating system.Ralph in SD________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I remember a scout from the north east that had a Continental industrial enginebased on the Model "B"Joanne Painter has an A-80 Cont in hers.Has anyone tried the LOM inverted in-line engine? I have always thought it wouldlook good with that one. Much like a Fairchild 22.I believe the Warner was a 145HP.Still thinking,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I remember a scout from the north east that had a Continental industrial enginebased on the Model "B"Joanne Painter has an A-80 Cont in hers.Has anyone tried the LOM inverted in-line engine? I have always thought it wouldlook good with that one. Much like a Fairchild 22.I believe the Warner was a 145HP.Still thinking,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:> There was also a Vega powered Piet > > Greg CardinalI owned a 65 Franklin Piet and a freind had a 90 frank on his. Here is a pictureof a Vega powered Scout...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
gcardinal(at)comcast.net wrote:> There was also a Vega powered Piet > > Greg CardinalI owned a 65 Franklin Piet and a freind had a 90 frank on his. Here is a pictureof a Vega powered Scout...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Charles Burkholder
[about the Vega powered Scout]- can I say it? Will somebody shoot me if I do?That is one UGLY beast!!!And regarding the use of an inverted inline engine, I don't know of anyone whois using a Menasco or Ranger, but there was a fellow on this list a few yearsago (out of Missouri-?) who was putting an ENMA Tigre on his St. Croix Aerial,which is a biplane version of the Air Camper. There was a 125HP and a 150HPversion of this engine; I don't know which one he has.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:43:49 -0400
[about the Vega powered Scout]- can I say it? Will somebody shoot me if I do?That is one UGLY beast!!!And regarding the use of an inverted inline engine, I don't know of anyone whois using a Menasco or Ranger, but there was a fellow on this list a few yearsago (out of Missouri-?) who was putting an ENMA Tigre on his St. Croix Aerial,which is a biplane version of the Air Camper. There was a 125HP and a 150HPversion of this engine; I don't know which one he has.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:43:49 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
For more than a year, we've been storing 30 board feet of 2"x6" rough-cut SitkaSpruce, waiting to turn it into Piet spars. I bought it from a hardwood supplierthat Mark Roberts used to work for. It looked acceptable but, being rough,it was hard to give it a real hard-nosed inspection, so we didn't really knowwhat we had. Yesterday, half expecting nothing but a pile of very expensive chipsand sawdust, we hacked it into spar-shaped pieces.I'll post pictures later, but those sticks, once destined to be a mast on a smallsailboat, are made of the sweetest, straightest grain spruce I've ever seen.No knots, no compression fractures, no handling damage; just 16-20 gpi runningstraight the entire length with one tiny, acceptable, sap inclusion. Totalcost less than $250.Now for a careful glue-up a la Mike Cuy's recommendation.Mike HardawayScratched on an iPad with blunt instruments.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
For more than a year, we've been storing 30 board feet of 2"x6" rough-cut SitkaSpruce, waiting to turn it into Piet spars. I bought it from a hardwood supplierthat Mark Roberts used to work for. It looked acceptable but, being rough,it was hard to give it a real hard-nosed inspection, so we didn't really knowwhat we had. Yesterday, half expecting nothing but a pile of very expensive chipsand sawdust, we hacked it into spar-shaped pieces.I'll post pictures later, but those sticks, once destined to be a mast on a smallsailboat, are made of the sweetest, straightest grain spruce I've ever seen.No knots, no compression fractures, no handling damage; just 16-20 gpi runningstraight the entire length with one tiny, acceptable, sap inclusion. Totalcost less than $250.Now for a careful glue-up a la Mike Cuy's recommendation.Mike HardawayScratched on an iPad with blunt instruments.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Michael Weston
Werner 145, ran 250 RPM over rated, 82" Prop.Funk 200 standard equipment.Funk 200 inverted with fuel injection, Lambert prop 90 HPPieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Werner 145, ran 250 RPM over rated, 82" Prop.Funk 200 standard equipment.Funk 200 inverted with fuel injection, Lambert prop 90 HPPieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Michael Weston
while at brodhead i spoke with a pair of swedish pilots who showed me picturesof a piet with a taller turtledeck powered with a ford v-4 out of a saab 96 witha homemade redrive________________________________________________________________________________
while at brodhead i spoke with a pair of swedish pilots who showed me picturesof a piet with a taller turtledeck powered with a ford v-4 out of a saab 96 witha homemade redrive________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "bubbleboy"
sorry, i forgot to add the "poplar pietenpol" (in the archives i believe.) withchevy "iron duke" 151 cu in motor. also i've seen for sale a "chevy II "poweredpiet. dont know if that is the same engine or not.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
sorry, i forgot to add the "poplar pietenpol" (in the archives i believe.) withchevy "iron duke" 151 cu in motor. also i've seen for sale a "chevy II "poweredpiet. dont know if that is the same engine or not.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
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Original Posted By: John Fay
We have a Salmson radial Scout and Subaru EA81 Air Camper here in Australia.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:27:46 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
We have a Salmson radial Scout and Subaru EA81 Air Camper here in Australia.Scotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comTail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine atRoy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:27:46 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
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Original Posted By: John Fay
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
And don't forget the Piet that went to the Rockford fly-in many moons ago with two A65's in the nose. Mike McGowanps I'm old I was there and remember it but the pictures I took were lost long ago.----- Original Message -----
And don't forget the Piet that went to the Rockford fly-in many moons ago with two A65's in the nose. Mike McGowanps I'm old I was there and remember it but the pictures I took were lost long ago.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
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Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
Seems the aileron hinge bolts would not be in place during covering. When readyto install the hinges after covering, just clean the t nuts with a tap. Maybe?I did have the screws in place when I added two part epoxy to the t-nuts/screws.The epoxy holds the screws in the t-nuts very tightly! Found a little bit ofheat from a micro torch released the screws quickly and cleanly. I plan on MAYBEusing a mild locktite (blue?) when I finally install the hinges.Ray KrauseSkyScout, t-nuts in place with small screws.Sent from my iPadOn Aug 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "tools" wrote:> > I would be wary of the woodworking T-nut, as many aircraft finishes tend to dripa lot inside the wing. If any drips on the aileron hinge bolt, when you goto remove, it'll likely come part way out and jam...> > Then you'll push harder, dislodge the t-nut... and you've got problems.> > This can be avoided, however, by using the hinge pin instead of the screws totake the aileron off (should you need to), or perhaps careful treating of thethreads to discourage anything dripping on them from sticking. > > The aircraft style nut plates held with little screws will work better. I'vegot those t-nuts all over the inspection belly plate, and they give me fits.Fortunately I can get to the top of them once the plate is off. I've had tocut a few heads off to get that far. Inside the wing, you'll be cutting the fabricunless an inspection hole is nearby.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 342#406342> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 23:10:39 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Seems the aileron hinge bolts would not be in place during covering. When readyto install the hinges after covering, just clean the t nuts with a tap. Maybe?I did have the screws in place when I added two part epoxy to the t-nuts/screws.The epoxy holds the screws in the t-nuts very tightly! Found a little bit ofheat from a micro torch released the screws quickly and cleanly. I plan on MAYBEusing a mild locktite (blue?) when I finally install the hinges.Ray KrauseSkyScout, t-nuts in place with small screws.Sent from my iPadOn Aug 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "tools" wrote:> > I would be wary of the woodworking T-nut, as many aircraft finishes tend to dripa lot inside the wing. If any drips on the aileron hinge bolt, when you goto remove, it'll likely come part way out and jam...> > Then you'll push harder, dislodge the t-nut... and you've got problems.> > This can be avoided, however, by using the hinge pin instead of the screws totake the aileron off (should you need to), or perhaps careful treating of thethreads to discourage anything dripping on them from sticking. > > The aircraft style nut plates held with little screws will work better. I'vegot those t-nuts all over the inspection belly plate, and they give me fits.Fortunately I can get to the top of them once the plate is off. I've had tocut a few heads off to get that far. Inside the wing, you'll be cutting the fabricunless an inspection hole is nearby.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 342#406342> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 23:10:39 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
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Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Propeller Arrival UNCLASSIFIEDMicheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I willprovide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!Seriously, Looks great. I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his opinionon the "scallops"? Blue Skies,Steve DOn 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:> > > > > > I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple scimitarthat I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows me to finish,stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With it wasa note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During our conversation,he told me that they seem to get better performance from the props. thatare left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propellers that aresanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass covered tips)stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough, patch-work lookof them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a nice, hard edge aroundthe wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to sand the propellersmooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min. conversation, I am nowgoing to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some MILD sanding is fine toprep. it for it's first coat of protection, (paint, varnish, stain...) but nothingmore than that is needed. MILD sanding between coats is also OK, but keepit to a minimum.> > Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type varnishes.I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do with sometype of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and crackover time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish. #273A110is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/satinand if found, I will pass those numbers along.> > Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make Jayuneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will sit inthe sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of somesort is a wise idea.> > I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I posted here.> > I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of knowledgeconcerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he took the timeto talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preventing mefrom potentially decreasing my propellers performance. > > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedht ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Propeller Arrival UNCLASSIFIEDMicheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I willprovide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!Seriously, Looks great. I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his opinionon the "scallops"? Blue Skies,Steve DOn 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:> > > > > > I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple scimitarthat I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows me to finish,stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With it wasa note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During our conversation,he told me that they seem to get better performance from the props. thatare left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propellers that aresanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass covered tips)stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough, patch-work lookof them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a nice, hard edge aroundthe wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to sand the propellersmooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min. conversation, I am nowgoing to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some MILD sanding is fine toprep. it for it's first coat of protection, (paint, varnish, stain...) but nothingmore than that is needed. MILD sanding between coats is also OK, but keepit to a minimum.> > Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type varnishes.I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do with sometype of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and crackover time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish. #273A110is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/satinand if found, I will pass those numbers along.> > Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make Jayuneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will sit inthe sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of somesort is a wise idea.> > I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I posted here.> > I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of knowledgeconcerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he took the timeto talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preventing mefrom potentially decreasing my propellers performance. > > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedht ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
I think there was also a Sky Scout a few years ago that had a 4 cylinder inlineDodge engine, perhaps a 2.2l.--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I think there was also a Sky Scout a few years ago that had a 4 cylinder inlineDodge engine, perhaps a 2.2l.--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: planes the movie UNCLASSIFIEDJust returned from seeing Planes in 3D with my 12 and 13 year old boys.All of us really enjoyed it. Basically Cars but with planes. No problem, Cars isa really great movie. The boys felt that they were just about equally good.It is just about the best 3D effects I have ever seen. I was surprised at the accuracy in many areas. The only Vtail was a French-Canadianfemale twin. Not sure how I feel about that. Most movie critic reviews pan the movie saying it is just a rehash and is predictable.But they are not the audience it was aimed at. The kids throughout thetheater all clapped and cheered when the hero overcame obstacles. I think it is a must see for Aviators. especially with their kids and grandkids.Blue Skies,Steve DUNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: planes the movie
Subject: Pietenpol-List: planes the movie UNCLASSIFIEDJust returned from seeing Planes in 3D with my 12 and 13 year old boys.All of us really enjoyed it. Basically Cars but with planes. No problem, Cars isa really great movie. The boys felt that they were just about equally good.It is just about the best 3D effects I have ever seen. I was surprised at the accuracy in many areas. The only Vtail was a French-Canadianfemale twin. Not sure how I feel about that. Most movie critic reviews pan the movie saying it is just a rehash and is predictable.But they are not the audience it was aimed at. The kids throughout thetheater all clapped and cheered when the hero overcame obstacles. I think it is a must see for Aviators. especially with their kids and grandkids.Blue Skies,Steve DUNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: planes the movie
Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I II believe there was one on floats with a Lycoming GPU in Sault Ste Marie back in the early 70=99s. Might have been C-FAQI________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
I II believe there was one on floats with a Lycoming GPU in Sault Ste Marie back in the early 70=99s. Might have been C-FAQI________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I guess I don't get the scallops. But maybe its kinda like dimple tape.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
I guess I don't get the scallops. But maybe its kinda like dimple tape.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I have some shirts leftover from the Brodhead Fly-in. Check them out in the webstore:http://www.gt-37.org/webstore/index.php ... th=64There are a couple of size SMALL, no MEDIUM, mostly LARGE and XL.Thanks.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
I have some shirts leftover from the Brodhead Fly-in. Check them out in the webstore:http://www.gt-37.org/webstore/index.php ... th=64There are a couple of size SMALL, no MEDIUM, mostly LARGE and XL.Thanks.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2013 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
There was an Aircamper (G-BUXK) that flew with a Wilksch Airmotive WAM-100 dieselengine a few years ago.http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-buxk ... 0612Here's a link that has a South African Piet powered by a Toyota Turbo deisel (abouthalf way down the page):http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic ... 3Regarding the 50 hp Continental, C-FAUK was originally powered by one, and laterchanged to an A-65.Mine will be powered by a C-75 (someday), which is a different engine than theA-75. I'm sure that engine has been used before.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
There was an Aircamper (G-BUXK) that flew with a Wilksch Airmotive WAM-100 dieselengine a few years ago.http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-buxk ... 0612Here's a link that has a South African Piet powered by a Toyota Turbo deisel (abouthalf way down the page):http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic ... 3Regarding the 50 hp Continental, C-FAUK was originally powered by one, and laterchanged to an A-65.Mine will be powered by a C-75 (someday), which is a different engine than theA-75. I'm sure that engine has been used before.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Propeller Arrival UNCLASSIFIEDMichael please resend the photos. I will forward them To my buddy. (I was sureI had saved that email but can't find it.) Beware he speaks a strange language in which Bernoullis and Coandas figure largely.blue SkiesSteve DOn 08/11/13, Michael Perez wrote:> > > > Thanks Tools. Please ask about the scallops! I would like to compare notes betweenexperts.> > > > > > ------------------------------> > >> >UNCLASSIFIED> >Micheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I willprovide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!> >> >Seriously, Looks great. > >> >I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his opinionon the "scallops"? > >> >Blue Skies,> >Steve D> >> >On 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple scimitarthat I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows me tofinish, stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With it wasa note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During our conversation,he told me that they seem to get better performance from the props.that are left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propellers that aresanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass covered tips)stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough, patch-work lookof them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a nice, hard edge aroundthe wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to sand the propellersmooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min. conversation, I amnow going to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some MILD sanding is fineto prep. it for it's first coat> of protection, (paint, !> > varnish, stain...) but nothing more than that is needed. MILD sanding betweencoats is also OK, but keep it to a minimum.> >> > >> Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type varnishes.I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do withsome type of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and crackover time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish.#273A110 is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/satinand if found, I will pass those numbers along.> >> > >> Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make Jayuneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will sitin the sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of somesort is a wise idea.> >> > >> I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I postedhere. > >> > >> I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of knowledgeconcerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he took thetime to talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preventingme from potentially decreasing my propellers performance. > >> > >> Michael Perez> >> Pietenpol HINT Videos> >> Karetaker Aero> >> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedht ... aero.com/)> >UNCLASSIFIED> >> >> >> >> >> > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Propeller Arrival UNCLASSIFIEDMichael please resend the photos. I will forward them To my buddy. (I was sureI had saved that email but can't find it.) Beware he speaks a strange language in which Bernoullis and Coandas figure largely.blue SkiesSteve DOn 08/11/13, Michael Perez wrote:> > > > Thanks Tools. Please ask about the scallops! I would like to compare notes betweenexperts.> > > > > > ------------------------------> > >> >UNCLASSIFIED> >Micheal, That looks awful. You would not want to put that on your plane. I willprovide my shipping address and you can dispose of it by shipping it to me!> >> >Seriously, Looks great. > >> >I have a friend who is an aerodynamicist. Do you want me to ask him his opinionon the "scallops"? > >> >Blue Skies,> >Steve D> >> >On 08/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I received my CloudCars propeller yesterday. It is a 76 X 38 all maple scimitarthat I ordered not finished...which saved me some money and allows me tofinish, stain, paint, varnish as I want. As shipped, it weighs 10#. With it wasa note from Jay Anderson to call him for some finishing tips. During our conversation,he told me that they seem to get better performance from the props.that are left with the "scallops" intact as opposed to the propellers that aresanded smooth. He also recommended that the "fields", (fiberglass covered tips)stay intact. Sounded like most people don't like the rough, patch-work lookof them and try to fill/sand smooth. These fields form a nice, hard edge aroundthe wood that should also be left intact. My plan was to sand the propellersmooth and make it as slick as I could. After our 40 min. conversation, I amnow going to leave the prop. as shipped. Jay said some MILD sanding is fineto prep. it for it's first coat> of protection, (paint, !> > varnish, stain...) but nothing more than that is needed. MILD sanding betweencoats is also OK, but keep it to a minimum.> >> > >> Jay was very adamant about staying away from off the shelf Minwax - type varnishes.I don't remember his EXACT reasoning, but it had something to do withsome type of plastic chemicals used, that his experience shows to peel and crackover time. His recommendation to me was to use Ace Hardware spar varnish.#273A110 is for 1 gallon of gloss. I will be looking into quart size semi/satinand if found, I will pass those numbers along.> >> > >> Color choice and heat were another concern. Dark colors and the sun make Jayuneasy somewhat. We agreed that if using a dark prop. and the plane will sitin the sun, (stored outside, plenty of fly ins, etc.) a propeller cover of somesort is a wise idea.> >> > >> I feel the intel. Jay shared with me may be of use to others, so I postedhere. > >> > >> I love my propeller and Jay seems to be a fine gentleman with a lot of knowledgeconcerning propellers and the making of. I am grateful that he took thetime to talk to me and stop me from making some mistakes and also preventingme from potentially decreasing my propellers performance. > >> > >> Michael Perez> >> Pietenpol HINT Videos> >> Karetaker Aero> >> http://www.karetakeraero.com/(blockedht ... aero.com/)> >UNCLASSIFIED> >> >> >> >> >> > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
You asked about a Kinner:http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa ... _02_27.pdf(not exactly a stock Pietenpol, but...)And here's one powered by a Ford Fiesta engine:http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa ... .pdfBCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
You asked about a Kinner:http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa ... _02_27.pdf(not exactly a stock Pietenpol, but...)And here's one powered by a Ford Fiesta engine:http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa ... .pdfBCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Bill Weeden"
Thanks for everyones input and pictures. Has been help and given me some ideas.ThanksRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Thanks for everyones input and pictures. Has been help and given me some ideas.ThanksRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
My dad built an AirCamper with a LeBlond 5-cylinder radial engine.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
My dad built an AirCamper with a LeBlond 5-cylinder radial engine.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Holy cow! Did you see the EMPTY weight of that Kinner powered Piet with the roundedtail surfaces and J-3 wings? 1278 pounds!!! Add a pilot and fuel and it'sup around 1550 all-up weight! It's flying with 1.4G loading on the structurein straight and level flight ;o) A steep turn from base to final and it'sat the 3.8G limit for normal category loading...--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Holy cow! Did you see the EMPTY weight of that Kinner powered Piet with the roundedtail surfaces and J-3 wings? 1278 pounds!!! Add a pilot and fuel and it'sup around 1550 all-up weight! It's flying with 1.4G loading on the structurein straight and level flight ;o) A steep turn from base to final and it'sat the 3.8G limit for normal category loading...--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Clif: C-GHBD needs a centersection cutout or a flop. Plus maybe some cabane extensions.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Clif: C-GHBD needs a centersection cutout or a flop. Plus maybe some cabane extensions.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Latex PainT Update
Original Posted By: John Kuhfahl
Now you know why I sent the second photo! :-)I asked him about those things. He wasn't worriedabout his own limberness. His answer about passengeraccess---With a little sideways smile," That's not my seat."One thing's for sure, he'll never have to refuse the fatlady. :-)One day, though, he may regret the shortness of cabaneand that solidness of wing. We do, after all, become lesslimber with age.The pics are the latest taken but it's now completed andvarnished. I'm waiting on an AS&S order of nuts andbolts. Some work to do on the hinge itself. Then on tothe right panel.ClifNot a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill>> Clif: C-GHBD needs a centersection cutout or a flop. Plus maybe some > cabane extensions.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:14:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Latex PainT Update
Now you know why I sent the second photo! :-)I asked him about those things. He wasn't worriedabout his own limberness. His answer about passengeraccess---With a little sideways smile," That's not my seat."One thing's for sure, he'll never have to refuse the fatlady. :-)One day, though, he may regret the shortness of cabaneand that solidness of wing. We do, after all, become lesslimber with age.The pics are the latest taken but it's now completed andvarnished. I'm waiting on an AS&S order of nuts andbolts. Some work to do on the hinge itself. Then on tothe right panel.ClifNot a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill>> Clif: C-GHBD needs a centersection cutout or a flop. Plus maybe some > cabane extensions.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:14:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Latex PainT Update
Pietenpol-List: Updated List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: John Fay
I would love to read all the test data and comparison testing of the dimples andthe rough tips along with the performance increase data.Could you ask CloudCars propeller to share that with us?Very interesting ~ WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:45:12 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Updated List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
I would love to read all the test data and comparison testing of the dimples andthe rough tips along with the performance increase data.Could you ask CloudCars propeller to share that with us?Very interesting ~ WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:45:12 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Updated List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: John Fay
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
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Here's one more for the list:Rotax 912Shttp://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-byft/4546880083BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Here's one more for the list:Rotax 912Shttp://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/g-byft/4546880083BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Engine list
Original Posted By: Keith
now thats KOOL-----Original Message-----
now thats KOOL-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: SAA fly-in at Wynkoop Airport, Ohio
Original Posted By: airlion2(at)gmail.com
There was a modified Pietenpol built here in Oregon that was powered by a Salmsonradial engine. It flew successfully for a number of years. It was builtby Russ Stewart and was originally licensed as an Oregon homebuilt and carriedone of the metal Oregon aircraft license plates. In 1948, it was registeredby the CAA as an experimental. It is believed that this was the first aircraftin the country registered in the experimental category. If anyone has anyinformation regarding this plane, I would appreciate hearing from you.Mark BaxterCorvallis, OregonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scan ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SAA fly-in at Wynkoop Airport, Ohio
There was a modified Pietenpol built here in Oregon that was powered by a Salmsonradial engine. It flew successfully for a number of years. It was builtby Russ Stewart and was originally licensed as an Oregon homebuilt and carriedone of the metal Oregon aircraft license plates. In 1948, it was registeredby the CAA as an experimental. It is believed that this was the first aircraftin the country registered in the experimental category. If anyone has anyinformation regarding this plane, I would appreciate hearing from you.Mark BaxterCorvallis, OregonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scan ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SAA fly-in at Wynkoop Airport, Ohio
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Hi shad. What size golf art tires are you using? what weight will they carry and is there enough rubber left if I shaved the nubs off? vintage aircraft had smoothe tires I think for streamlining . Cheers gardinerSent from my iPadOn Aug 13, 2013, at 12:21 PM, shad bell wrote:> > Is anyone planning on going to the SAA fly-in at Wynkoop, in Mount Vernon OH this weekend? It is on for Friday and Saturday I believe. I plan on flying over both days, hope to see some of you there.> > Shad> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:31:58 +0000 (UTC)
Hi shad. What size golf art tires are you using? what weight will they carry and is there enough rubber left if I shaved the nubs off? vintage aircraft had smoothe tires I think for streamlining . Cheers gardinerSent from my iPadOn Aug 13, 2013, at 12:21 PM, shad bell wrote:> > Is anyone planning on going to the SAA fly-in at Wynkoop, in Mount Vernon OH this weekend? It is on for Friday and Saturday I believe. I plan on flying over both days, hope to see some of you there.> > Shad> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:31:58 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Re: Pietenpol-List: Updated List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Keith
Re: Pietenpol-List: Updated List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: Keith
Pietenpol-List: Re: Updated List: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Well, this one is British, not French, but it does have a BMW motorcycle engineon the (loooong) nose. Then again, it hasn't flown yet - so it doesn't count...yet.http://on.fb.me/18sB2MCDan wrote:> Some French guys put a motorcycle engine on a Piet... Wish I could find > that link... Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Well, this one is British, not French, but it does have a BMW motorcycle engineon the (loooong) nose. Then again, it hasn't flown yet - so it doesn't count...yet.http://on.fb.me/18sB2MCDan wrote:> Some French guys put a motorcycle engine on a Piet... Wish I could find > that link... Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
I read in Barnestormers that the above Pietenpol [GN-1] is for sale and located at Shiloh Airport in Rockingham County=2C NC. Does anyone know anything about it? It is white with red trim and a Florida decal on the tail. It has an 85hp Cont. and a wind generator mounted on the left wing strut. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
I read in Barnestormers that the above Pietenpol [GN-1] is for sale and located at Shiloh Airport in Rockingham County=2C NC. Does anyone know anything about it? It is white with red trim and a Florida decal on the tail. It has an 85hp Cont. and a wind generator mounted on the left wing strut. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How many engines? for CONTACT Magazine
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I think there was also a Sky Scout a few years ago that had a 4 cylinder inlineDodge engine, perhaps a 2.2l.--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I think there was also a Sky Scout a few years ago that had a 4 cylinder inlineDodge engine, perhaps a 2.2l.--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________